What are Templars suppose to do in pvp?

xboxone1Q · January 2016

Vet 16 main Templar here everything is gold on me doesn't matter on pvp. I think NB or shield stackers like that I'm a Templar. Cause I'm easy to kill since we have been nerfed more than any class on eso.

What happens is NB will do cloak wait to see me heal someone or do super heal than comes at me in full force because they know I'm a Templar by myself, out roaming the land and it is a easy kill for them.

1Grumpy_dunmer1 · January 2016

I know some very strong Templars in pvp and they don't spec for a healer. If you don't want to be a squishy healer look for some magicka Templar pvp vids online. I've had magicka Templars destroy my magicka nightblade with two or three puncturing sweeps. Healers are supposed to be squishy. If you want to heal and be more tank maybe try a heavy set of Willows path.

Magdalina · January 2016

I'm not very good at PvP(and I main a magicka sorc) but just today I watched a magicka templar totally wreck a pretty good sorc(who is supposed to be easy mode and who I know can and did 1vX that day) 1v1. Just saying. I think it featured some eclipse, some charge, some puncturing sweeps and a lot of BoL of course.

bikerangelo · January 2016

Templar gameplay revolves around surviving until you can time your very small burst. Use your burst healing to your advantage and survive the initial burst of any dps coming at you. Once you get over 80% health, you need to go aggressive immediately.

Use Blazing Spear right on top of where you are; melee dps will come to you and CC themselves.
Use Eclipse on Sorcs and stay at range to use LoS for defense; Purifying Ritual cleanses their meteors, frags and curses.
Use Dark Flare only when enemies are CC'd; if you get hit with crushing shock or venom arrow, you'll get set off balance and be left vulnerable.

For the most part, experiment with high damage combos; Dark Flare, Toppling Charge (or javelin) then Radiant Oppression. Dark Flare, Toppling Charge then Puncturing Sweeps. Run Ice Comet or Dawnbreaker for your primary ult burst and try to pair it with Dark Flare since Dark Flare gives you empower.

DannyLV702 · January 2016

HEAL bruh! Lol. My sorc will love you off he doesn't have to bust a healing Ward too often. It may also help to stand around in a volcanic rune to keep those pesky NBs out!

FENGRUSH · January 2016

Youre supposed to cast BOL as many times as possible before die

catalyst10e · January 2016

Maybe I'm playing wrong, cuz if my sorc sees a Templar, I usually groan because it'll be a long battle 1v1. If people see a healer, unfortunately thats puts a huge target on your back because it means if they don't kill you first, you'll be healing the 1 or more people who will be dealing damage without needing to worry about being burst down. @bikerangelo has it perfect, follow those moves and maybe look up some different magicka builds and you'll see a drastic improvement.

MormondPayne_EP · January 2016

I was like you.

I went Stamina.

Swords and Shield / Dual Wield

Now I see an NB go into stealth, hold up my shield and wait a few seconds, use a detect potion and then proceed to reverberating bash their skulls in... Mostly... Occasionally it's a good NB player and that's a decent fight but for the most part, the terrible NB's out there hang onto their cloak like a crutch. Kick the crutch away and they are literally flailing going "why is my cloak not working" as they run around in circles trying to hide.

Incidentally, as a magicka temp, could you not stack spell damage and heal like a beast while spamming puncturing sweeps? I know it's pretty much your only decent offensive still but it hits really hard...

leepalmer95 · January 2016

MormondPayne_EP wrote: »

I was like you.

I went Stamina.

Swords and Shield / Dual Wield

Now I see an NB go into stealth, hold up my shield and wait a few seconds, use a detect potion and then proceed to reverberating bash their skulls in... Mostly... Occasionally it's a good NB player and that's a decent fight but for the most part, the terrible NB's out there hang onto their cloak like a crutch. Kick the crutch away and they are literally flailing going "why is my cloak not working" as they run around in circles trying to hide.

Incidentally, as a magicka temp, could you not stack spell damage and heal like a beast while spamming puncturing sweeps? I know it's pretty much your only decent offensive still but it hits really hard...

Jabs are an ok option but i find it hard to hit some character most of the time, since the cc of the jabs is the last hit and vs any half good player your lucky to get 2 out of 4 jab hits in.

Templars have no mobility at all, no movement speed so vs anything with a bit of movement speed you can catch them

Also jabs is still bugged so vs anything with a shield you barely touch them.

Combined with most skills being nerfed until uselessness and the many other bugs on the skills that are actually useful.

Charge/radiant etc... Templar is in a bad place.

Plus currently i really can't be bothered with any more levelling, i literally refuse to do silver again. Plus i can't be bothered unlocking magicka det on another character. It's so sad many magicka builds literally need it to be viable and it's getting nerfed because some magblades are taking full advantage of their op passives and 1 hitting groups with proxy + soul harvest or bats and then spamming sap.

a1i3nz · January 2016

Bar 1: Toppling charge, reflective light, puncturing sweep, radiant destruction, dark flare.
Bar 2: Proxi det, BoL, harness magicka, healing ward, structured entropy.

As soon as you see anyone get entropy on them and reflective light if you can (now their shields are debuffed and your spell damage is up). Then top charge and follow with a dark flare going into puncturing sweep.
You should have your proxi det up too so they take that big AOE while you're assaulting them. That's pretty much your whole burst. If they recover and damage you, get your health back to at least 80% and start over with a top charge again.
Sometimes I switch something out for blazing spears too. It's great for Nightblades.
Imo magicka Templar rocks. It's just a little trickier to play.

leepalmer95 · January 2016

Twerkish wrote: »

Bar 1: Toppling charge, reflective light, puncturing sweep, radiant destruction, dark flare.
Bar 2: Proxi det, BoL, harness magicka, healing ward, structured entropy.

As soon as you see anyone get entropy on them and reflective light if you can (now their shields are debuffed and your spell damage is up). Then top charge and follow with a dark flare going into puncturing sweep.
You should have your proxi det up too so they take that big AOE while you're assaulting them. That's pretty much your whole burst. If they recover and damage you, get your health back to at least 80% and start over with a top charge again.
Sometimes I switch something out for blazing spears too. It's great for Nightblades.
Imo magicka Templar rocks. It's just a little trickier to play.

So have an assault 7 skill - Ok..
Use dark flare the reflectable, bashable, slow as charged skill - check
Use jabs and hope they stand there because for some reason we have to aim this skill but every other class doesn't - check
Hope top charge doesn't bug out and kill you - Check

Hope you actually do enough dmg to finish them and there not a nb with a cloak + vigor and then ambush/soul/fear/sa dead kill you

Hope there not a sorc and fail at getting through their shields because of broken skill

Hope their not a stam dk and they 3 hit you with wb or wb + take flight and kill you.

Hope their a mag dk then you actually have a chance,

MormondPayne_EP · January 2016

Twerkish wrote: »

Bar 1: Toppling charge, reflective light, puncturing sweep, radiant destruction, dark flare.
Bar 2: Proxi det, BoL, harness magicka, healing ward, structured entropy.

As soon as you see anyone get entropy on them and reflective light if you can (now their shields are debuffed and your spell damage is up). Then top charge and follow with a dark flare going into puncturing sweep.
You should have your proxi det up too so they take that big AOE while you're assaulting them. That's pretty much your whole burst. If they recover and damage you, get your health back to at least 80% and start over with a top charge again.
Sometimes I switch something out for blazing spears too. It's great for Nightblades.
Imo magicka Templar rocks. It's just a little trickier to play.

To be honest, Templar sucks in PvP.

I have made it work for me but it is a challenge and the class suffers a lot in PVP from too many bugs and way too many skills that have long animations or channels it's such a frustration the play one, especially since I recently rerolled an NB which is like night and day. Pretty much anyone can be decent to good on a nightblade... obviously it takes skill to master but it's easy mode compared to a Templar.

I'd love to see some class balance and some of the glaring issues fixed but hoping for something like that from ZOS is a joke.

Farorin · January 2016

MormondPayne_EP wrote: »

Twerkish wrote: »

Bar 1: Toppling charge, reflective light, puncturing sweep, radiant destruction, dark flare.
Bar 2: Proxi det, BoL, harness magicka, healing ward, structured entropy.

As soon as you see anyone get entropy on them and reflective light if you can (now their shields are debuffed and your spell damage is up). Then top charge and follow with a dark flare going into puncturing sweep.
You should have your proxi det up too so they take that big AOE while you're assaulting them. That's pretty much your whole burst. If they recover and damage you, get your health back to at least 80% and start over with a top charge again.
Sometimes I switch something out for blazing spears too. It's great for Nightblades.
Imo magicka Templar rocks. It's just a little trickier to play.

To be honest, Templar sucks in PvP.

I have made it work for me but it is a challenge and the class suffers a lot in PVP from too many bugs and way too many skills that have long animations or channels it's such a frustration the play one, especially since I recently rerolled an NB which is like night and day. Pretty much anyone can be decent to good on a nightblade... obviously it takes skill to master but it's easy mode compared to a Templar.

I'd love to see some class balance and some of the glaring issues fixed but hoping for something like that from ZOS is a joke.

lol, for me it was the other way around, templar is way easier to play. Playing a NB takes a lot of skill as literally the only ability keeping you alive as a NB is cloak, and seeing as how people are wisening up and actually starting to use counters against cloak now, I am getting trashed more often than not on my NB, at least with my templar I have a chance of fighting on.

xellink · January 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

MormondPayne_EP wrote: »

I was like you.

I went Stamina.

Swords and Shield / Dual Wield

Now I see an NB go into stealth, hold up my shield and wait a few seconds, use a detect potion and then proceed to reverberating bash their skulls in... Mostly... Occasionally it's a good NB player and that's a decent fight but for the most part, the terrible NB's out there hang onto their cloak like a crutch. Kick the crutch away and they are literally flailing going "why is my cloak not working" as they run around in circles trying to hide.

Incidentally, as a magicka temp, could you not stack spell damage and heal like a beast while spamming puncturing sweeps? I know it's pretty much your only decent offensive still but it hits really hard...

Jabs are an ok option but i find it hard to hit some character most of the time, since the cc of the jabs is the last hit and vs any half good player your lucky to get 2 out of 4 jab hits in.

Templars have no mobility at all, no movement speed so vs anything with a bit of movement speed you can catch them

Also jabs is still bugged so vs anything with a shield you barely touch them.

when u use jabs. move backwards, the cone is very wide if u are far from the player. if they roll. anticipate their landing spot and jab again. if they roll again, they will get penalty for double rolling.

using evil hunter and werewolf passive may 1hko some nbs. sometimes I add potl as a burst if jabs is not enough.

mechanics issue.

Mojmir · January 2016

crit rush/toppling charge, back up a few spaces, jabs, wrecking blow in the sweet spot.

bertenburnyb16_ESO · January 2016

Esay, 3-point-plan for pvp templar
- Follow zerg,
- slot BoL 5x and 1x in ulti slot,
- spam all buttons

Therium104 · January 2016

xboxone1Q wrote: »

Vet 16 main Templar here everything is gold on me doesn't matter on pvp. I think NB or shield stackers like that I'm a Templar. Cause I'm easy to kill since we have been nerfed more than any class on eso. What happens is NB will do cloak wait to see me heal someone or do super heal than comes at me in full force because they know I'm a Templar by myself, out roaming the land and it is a easy kill for them.

Try playing a Magika DK. Your tears would drown the forums.

Therium104 · January 2016

xboxone1Q wrote: »

Vet 16 main Templar here everything is gold on me doesn't matter on pvp. I think NB or shield stackers like that I'm a Templar. Cause I'm easy to kill since we have been nerfed more than any class on eso. What happens is NB will do cloak wait to see me heal someone or do super heal than comes at me in full force because they know I'm a Templar by myself, out roaming the land and it is a easy kill for them.

Try playing a Magika DK. Your tears would drown the forums.

Therium104 · January 2016

Farorin wrote: »

MormondPayne_EP wrote: »

Twerkish wrote: »

Bar 1: Toppling charge, reflective light, puncturing sweep, radiant destruction, dark flare.
Bar 2: Proxi det, BoL, harness magicka, healing ward, structured entropy.

As soon as you see anyone get entropy on them and reflective light if you can (now their shields are debuffed and your spell damage is up). Then top charge and follow with a dark flare going into puncturing sweep.
You should have your proxi det up too so they take that big AOE while you're assaulting them. That's pretty much your whole burst. If they recover and damage you, get your health back to at least 80% and start over with a top charge again.
Sometimes I switch something out for blazing spears too. It's great for Nightblades.
Imo magicka Templar rocks. It's just a little trickier to play.

To be honest, Templar sucks in PvP.

I have made it work for me but it is a challenge and the class suffers a lot in PVP from too many bugs and way too many skills that have long animations or channels it's such a frustration the play one, especially since I recently rerolled an NB which is like night and day. Pretty much anyone can be decent to good on a nightblade... obviously it takes skill to master but it's easy mode compared to a Templar.

I'd love to see some class balance and some of the glaring issues fixed but hoping for something like that from ZOS is a joke.

lol, for me it was the other way around, templar is way easier to play. Playing a NB takes a lot of skill as literally the only ability keeping you alive as a NB is cloak, and seeing as how people are wisening up and actually starting to use counters against cloak now, I am getting trashed more often than not on my NB, at least with my templar I have a chance of fighting on.

Vigor???? Honestly, no one can state a NB takes skill.

Dagoth_Rac · January 2016

Run in a group. I know a lot of people prefer to play solo, but Templar is just not a great solo class. I rarely have any success solo, but even if just running in a group of 2, my Templar becomes much better. If you are a healing Templar, you can keep your buddies alive long enough for them to supply the DPS and CC that you cannot. If you are a DPS Templar, you have more freedom to just charge in there and wreck stuff. With all the casting times and channels, it can be hard to heal and DPS at same time, hard to switch on a dime from one to the other. But in a group, even a small group, you can concentrate on one or the other and really shine. I was in an IC group last night with 1 healing Templar, 1 Stamplar, and 1 hybrid tank/DPS Nightblade. We did great.

Now, do I think the concept of, "Sorry, Templar, no endgame for you if you do not bring friends," is OK? No. Especially with the latest DLC emphasizing solo ganking (IC), which Templars are weak at, and 1vX (Vet Maelstrom), which Templars are weak at.

But I am just saying that if you want to make the best of a non-ideal situation, run your Templar in a group. And it definitely does not need to be a zerg. There is middle ground between solo and zerg where you should be able to have a lot of fun with your Templar.

SneaK · January 2016

If you are running alone slotting Healing Ward helps a lot.. also must have purify and BoL on your bars at all times.

Joy_Division · January 2016

You were supposed to tank until people cried about blinding flashes and blazing shield. Now you can't do that anymore.

You were supposed to DPS when 1.6 was released. Then people cried about Radiant Destruction. Now you can't do that anymore.

Right now I am guessing you are supposed to heal. But so many people are crying about that so you probably won't be able to do that in a few weeks when the next update comes out.

Which makes it so you are supposed to be an immobile, squishy, wet noodle DPS, whose heals shouldn't prevent DPS players from burning down targets.

puffy99 · January 2016

Yeah it's pretty much BS, hopefully ZOS will do something (good) about it..

a1i3nz · January 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Twerkish wrote: »

Bar 1: Toppling charge, reflective light, puncturing sweep, radiant destruction, dark flare.
Bar 2: Proxi det, BoL, harness magicka, healing ward, structured entropy.

As soon as you see anyone get entropy on them and reflective light if you can (now their shields are debuffed and your spell damage is up). Then top charge and follow with a dark flare going into puncturing sweep.
You should have your proxi det up too so they take that big AOE while you're assaulting them. That's pretty much your whole burst. If they recover and damage you, get your health back to at least 80% and start over with a top charge again.
Sometimes I switch something out for blazing spears too. It's great for Nightblades.
Imo magicka Templar rocks. It's just a little trickier to play.

So have an assault 7 skill - Ok..
Use dark flare the reflectable, bashable, slow as charged skill - check
Use jabs and hope they stand there because for some reason we have to aim this skill but every other class doesn't - check
Hope top charge doesn't bug out and kill you - Check

Hope you actually do enough dmg to finish them and there not a nb with a cloak + vigor and then ambush/soul/fear/sa dead kill you

Hope there not a sorc and fail at getting through their shields because of broken skill

Hope their not a stam dk and they 3 hit you with wb or wb + take flight and kill you.

Hope their a mag dk then you actually have a chance,

I must just be an amazing player