How do shields stack?

HebrewHatchet · January 2016

If I'm running hardened ward, healing ward, and harness magicka, does the order I apply them change the order they mitigate damage?

In other words, if I cast hardened ward and then healing ward will my healing ward be depleted before my hardened ward is even touched? Will my hardened ward be depleted before my healing ward is touched? Will damage be spread across shields? Or, will a shield be chosen at random?

The consequences of shield order could be important because idealy (I imagine), a sorcerer would want harness magicka on the outside (to regen magicka upon being hit by magic), then the hardened ward (to protect the healing ward), and then the healing ward (so that it is least likely to be damaged, and thus heals for more when it pops).

Waffennacht · January 2016

glavius wrote: »

First answer is incorrect. First applied shield is first one to start taking damage

This is correct, if you cast hardened ward then healing, the hardened takes damage first, if time elapses you can heal for the full amount of healing.

If you hate shield stacking so much @AOECAPS use shieldbreaker

Edit: just wanted to clarify, only the healing ward's amount will be healed, no matter how large any other ward is.

eventide03b14a_ESO · January 2016

HebrewHatchet wrote: »

If I'm running hardened ward, healing ward, and harness magicka, does the order I apply them change the order they mitigate damage?

In other words, if I cast hardened ward and then healing ward will my healing ward be depleted before my hardened ward is even touched? Will my hardened ward be depleted before my healing ward is touched? Will damage be spread across shields? Or, will a shield be chosen at random?

The consequences of shield order could be important because idealy (I imagine), a sorcerer would want harness magicka on the outside (to regen magicka upon being hit by magic), then the hardened ward (to protect the healing ward), and then the healing ward (so that it is least likely to be damaged, and thus heals for more when it pops).

The order doesn't matter anymore. I think at one time it did, but not anymore. Basically all the numbers add up to one mega ward, but harness magicka will only absorb magicka damage. all the other wards work on both.

HebrewHatchet · January 2016

@eventide03b14a_ESO, so you're saying that regardless of the order I applied them, if my stacked ward still has 1 hp, then my healing ward can still expire and heal me for 1-3 hp even though I taken enough damage to deplete either my hardened ward or healing ward individually?

eventide03b14a_ESO · January 2016

HebrewHatchet wrote: »

@eventide03b14a_ESO, so you're saying that regardless of the order I applied them, if my stacked ward still has 1 hp, then my healing ward can still expire and heal me for 1-3 hp even though I taken enough damage to deplete either my hardened ward or healing ward individually?

Essentially yes, that has been my experience.

glavius · January 2016

First answer is incorrect. First applied shield is first one to start taking damage

AOECAPS · January 2016

Basically shield stacking is broken as F and since they can't be crit smh

eventide03b14a_ESO · January 2016

Waffennacht wrote: »

glavius wrote: »

First answer is incorrect. First applied shield is first one to start taking damage

This is correct, if you cast hardened ward then healing, the hardened takes damage first, if time elapses you can heal for the full amount of healing.

If you hate shield stacking so much @AOECAPS use shieldbreaker

Yes but you only get the heal value for healing ward not the value of hardened ward no matter when you casted it.

AOECAPS · January 2016

Shield breaker isn't the answer and it was a weak fix.the mechanics for stacking shields is ridiculous.instead of fixing the issue they just nerfed shields in general which still didn't fix the problem instead it took away from the 1 shield Templars could use. Sorcs complain about wrecking blow but since it can't be crit how else would you like people to fight through shields? Because we all know sorcs moan and complain when someone uses shield breaker

leepalmer95 · January 2016

Basically stamina users wreck sorc as 1-2 wb or 1-2 SA etc.. eats through hardened ward.

But people still complain.

It could kill sorc effectively in 1.6, shields took quite a hit in 1.7 and yet people are still complaining are people stagnant? Do they refuse to try and get better at the game?

AOECAPS · January 2016

Lmao if people use wrecking blow sorcs complain if biting jabs applied damage correctly to shields I'd use though but shields not being crit able is a flaw in game mechanics if stamina users were 7 impen they still take more crit damage than a sorc stacking shields must be nice to be able to apply 100 cp into bastion and be able to reapply the shield whenever

leepalmer95 · January 2016

AOECAPS wrote: »

Lmao if people use wrecking blow sorcs complain if biting jabs applied damage correctly to shields I'd use though but shields not being crit able is a flaw in game mechanics if stamina users were 7 impen they still take more crit damage than a sorc stacking shields must be nice to be able to apply 100 cp into bastion and be able to reapply the shield whenever

Must be nice to have super high dmg and have higher stacked weapon dmg? I have a few stam characters myself

Stop complaining and just get better, honestly crying about 'stacking' when you need to get through one shield,.

Must be nice to be able to mitigate 25% of a classes dmg through cp and to be able to dodge roll/block without worrying about your stamina going instantly. Vigor + roll dodge pretty much heals someone up. Oh and theres no physical reduction.

Just to confirm more dmg from stamina + no way to mitigate it.

7x impen is around 25% crit passive, combined with some in resistant and suddenly crit's don't hurt so hard.

revonine · January 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

AOECAPS wrote: »

Lmao if people use wrecking blow sorcs complain if biting jabs applied damage correctly to shields I'd use though but shields not being crit able is a flaw in game mechanics if stamina users were 7 impen they still take more crit damage than a sorc stacking shields must be nice to be able to apply 100 cp into bastion and be able to reapply the shield whenever

Must be nice to have super high dmg and have higher stacked weapon dmg? I have a few stam characters myself

Stop complaining and just get better, honestly crying about 'stacking' when you need to get through one shield,.

Must be nice to be able to mitigate 25% of a classes dmg through cp and to be able to dodge roll/block without worrying about your stamina going instantly. Vigor + roll dodge pretty much heals someone up. Oh and theres no physical reduction.

Just to confirm more dmg from stamina + no way to mitigate it.

7x impen is around 25% crit passive, combined with some in resistant and suddenly crit's don't hurt so hard.

Sorc is tied with stamina NB for top PvP DPS and ease of use in open world. Some Sorcs have Hardened Ward o their front bar and have 100% uptime on it. Effectively your talking about 30K HP with burst comparable to a stamblade. A sorc is an absolute juggernaut and a pain in the ass to take down in this meta unless they are outnumbered. They are doing very well for themselves considering the CP points stacked against them. The evidence is there every time I walk into Cyrodill, there's bandwagon stamblades and Sorc's everywhere.

He described a legitimate bug with Biting Jabs and you tell him to get good? C'mon man.

HebrewHatchet · January 2016

Thanks for the answers

AOECAPS · January 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

AOECAPS wrote: »

Lmao if people use wrecking blow sorcs complain if biting jabs applied damage correctly to shields I'd use though but shields not being crit able is a flaw in game mechanics if stamina users were 7 impen they still take more crit damage than a sorc stacking shields must be nice to be able to apply 100 cp into bastion and be able to reapply the shield whenever

Must be nice to have super high dmg and have higher stacked weapon dmg? I have a few stam characters myself

Stop complaining and just get better, honestly crying about 'stacking' when you need to get through one shield,.

Must be nice to be able to mitigate 25% of a classes dmg through cp and to be able to dodge roll/block without worrying about your stamina going instantly. Vigor + roll dodge pretty much heals someone up. Oh and theres no physical reduction.

Just to confirm more dmg from stamina + no way to mitigate it.

7x impen is around 25% crit passive, combined with some in resistant and suddenly crit's don't hurt so hard.

Lol im aware of impen and crit reduction in CP tree captain charisma. just because you love to feel safe in your stacked shields doesn't mean that the mechanic isn't flawed that's really why so many people spam WB on sorcs DK have no class Stam abilities to use and neither do Templars with the bug on jabs. Stam NB I know they have surprise attack and can burst you down quicker than anyone else out of stealth.gopefully hy the grace of stendarr shield stacking is actually addressed soon because then you will need to learn to play.

Didgerion · January 2016

If shields can be magically created then there should be some magic to remove them.....I helped mages guild with their cause....now I ask them to return me the favor....can you please start working on a shield removal magic? thanks.

Avenias · August 2016

AOECAPS wrote: »

Basically shield stacking is broken as F and since they can't be crit smh

Get rid of invis spam and i will gladly give up shield stacking.

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