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Who's your favourite ESO villain?
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leeux✭✭✭✭✭Magistrix Vox for me, she was the most memorable antagonist. And the fact that you seeBoethiaduring that quest line topped it
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I mean, this lady
I have a soft spot in my heart for Dunmer girls
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✭✭I like Mayor Aulus, "Kneel before me! I'll make you respect my power!" Haha! He is such a fool, it makes me laugh every time
I like Sheogorath too! Sorcerer, Templar, Wolf Collector, Housing Addict!
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✭✭✭The SerpentRest in Peace:
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✭✭✭✭✭Definitely Sheo. How many people took the book?
Exactly. For a lot of people, he made us do a pretty terrible thing for personal gain.
And that makes him far more dangerous than somebody who just wants to bash your head in.
Sheogorath knows your price. And ironically, for a mad god, his knowledge and insight is what makes him unbeatable.signing off3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Definitely Sheo. How many people took the book?
Exactly. For a lot of people, he made us do a pretty terrible thing for personal gain.
And that makes him far more dangerous than somebody who just wants to bash your head in.
Sheogorath knows your price. And ironically, for a mad god, his knowledge and insight is what makes him unbeatable.
That choice was the easiest in the game. More skill points for sacrificing a stupid cardboard character NPC who i could care less about? I wish i could sacrifice the rest of them for skill points. I wonder how much Razum Dar is worth.1 -
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Generally murdering people is considered morally questionable. Assassin as job description doesn't leave much room for "good alignment". Not even if the people murdered might really, really deserve it.i Not that I haven't some characters I play just as "morally questionable" of course... but I like to be honest about it.Spacemonkey wrote: »How's Naryu a villain, I think I'm readign your sentence wrong... ? or just cz she's morag tong??? The Morag Tong in Morrowind (I'm talking about the province here, not the game) operate within the law. Not like those Sithis idolizing worms from the DB -_-
So, look at what Naryu does. Torturing people for information. Murdering people when it is her assignement for no other reason that she was told they should die. Getting results by using violence, intimidation and treachery as needed. Morally questionable to the point of "evil" indeed. But no less then many, and allied with our character, so I very much enjoy how ESO gives us shades of gray instead of black and white all around.
I just don't sugarcoat it... but I also don't consider them "villains" because that designation kinda expects opposition to the protagonist, and those I mentioned as example, like Naryu, are at least part-time allies of the protagonist of the story (aka, player character)
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KhajiitiLizard✭✭✭✭✭Stranglehands wrote: »Prince Maleel
WHO DARES DISTURB MY SLUMBER
His best part is when Sheo lights him on fire.
The Dark Mane was my favorite villain cause, there just hasn't really been a whole lot for Khajiit players throughout TES, besides some books in the games. An Elsweyr based DLC would be instabuy for me. I'm hoping though, that with the Thieves Guild DLC, that maybe there will be a new area there, since thievery is a big part of Khajiit culture.2 -
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From the recent time I quite liked Urfon Ice-Heart. The way his enemies speaked about him with respect and even fear cought my attention. But he himself didn't have much screentime. Shame.
I'm hoping to hear from other ppl about those I might have forgotten already.
I hate himmmmm!!!! I just cannot kill him and his surrounding minions! I could kill just him,but his minions keep getting in the way.I tried killing them,but they respawn if I die during the fight. Most enemies I can kill one by one,even if I keep dying,then kill the boss.Not so Ufron Ice-Heart.0 -
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✭The Veiled queen.
I see Sheo more of a hero than a villain hence my choice. IF however I saw him as a villain he would be my choice too...
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Daraugh✭✭✭✭✭Sheogorath isn't evil to me. I think it was Walks-in-Ash that says something like "a Dark Elf behaves as a Dark Elf must. Would you blame the fire for burning down your hut?" Same applies the Sheo. He doesn't fit a villain role, he's a Daedric prince and as such he's supposed to be a mystery. He's a complete grey area. He isn't the villain but he offers the player chances to be. He's the ultimate catalyst, just as a Daedric prince should be. Will you change or will you stay the same? He doesn't care about good or evil, just the choices, that's what interests him. So no, personally I don't see Sheogorath as a villain at all, that implies intent and his intent is only to poke it and see what happens. He's like a little kid with a stick. Like the Wabbajack! It's what makes him interesting and aggravating at the same time.
Naryu, yes definitely an old school style villain. Morag Tong murders in the name of Mephala. Seduction, poison, theft, manipulation, Daedric affiliation, murder. I find quests with her are tedious since she's so obvious.
I guess I don't really have a favorite villain strictly speaking, but I do enjoy unraveling the personalities of the characters and how they fit in the world.May all beings have happiness
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✭I mean NPCs naturally.
From the recent time I quite liked Urfon Ice-Heart. The way his enemies speaked about him with respect and even fear cought my attention. But he himself didn't have much screentime. Shame.
I'm hoping to hear from other ppl about those I might have forgotten already.
I hate himmmmm!!!! I just cannot kill him and his surrounding minions! I could kill just him,but his minions keep getting in the way.I tried killing them,but they respawn if I die during the fight. Most enemies I can kill one by one,even if I keep dying,then kill the boss.Not so Ufron Ice-Heart.
lol I died first time too I must admit. Didn't really expect tricky boss like him in single player quest.Edited by Jura23 on January 21, 2016 2:19PMGeorgion - Bosmer/Templar - PC/EU0 -
Dark_Aether✭✭✭✭starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »
What? you may need to go through that storyline and think about everything her and her veiled heritance wannabe Nazis were fighting for and how many they hurt
she was simply a supporter of isolationism, and wanted nothing to do with the war and continue to have the high elves sit on their island. not a terribly bad position or evil.
however she goes about it COMPLETLY wrong, a resistance or terrorist group, same thing different side, relies on the support of the common people you are in theory working for, on multiple occasions she has common people and citizens killed. (there goes your main support) conspires with long time enemies of the dominion (weakens your position with your people) and in the end throws in her lot with a daedric prince and summons daedra on the common people (destroys your position completely and worse makes anyone that might have supported you look like a daedra worshiper / evil doer)
had she taken no military action AT ALL and simply continued to spread anti-Ayrenn and isolationist / traditionalist thoughts and policies throughout Auridon it would have gone better, and had Ayrenn used military force or her eyes of the queen to get rid of the problem it would have made her look all the worse.
but nope, Estre as a person was evil, a b*tch, daedra worshipper, innocent killer, etc. with no redeeming value. so anyone that shared her opinions were the same. and everyone that supports the dominion is just the nicest person in the world that will give you free gold and poop rainbows. -_-
THIS SAME ARC happens throughout every arc. the good guys are just good, the bad guys are just bad (even if they have a reasonable reason behind it all) they execute their plans strategically horrible and irredeemably, and everything is black and white.
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Online:College_of_Aldmeri_Propriety
Maybe you missed that area or forgot about it. You should go back rethink about how you see her. They were about altmer supremacy, nothing less.
One would even think it is that group that came back and formed the Thalmor of the 4th era (Skyrim)1 -
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I am inclined to agree with you on that one. The 4th Era AD is exactly the opposite of what the 2nd Era AD stood for.Supersnake_Lx wrote: »[snip ... Veiled Heritance ... etc]
One would even think it is that group that came back and formed the Thalmor of the 4th era (Skyrim)UESP: The Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages - A collaborative source for all knowledge on the Elder Scrolls series since 1995
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✭✭✭✭✭Supersnake_Lx wrote: »starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »
What? you may need to go through that storyline and think about everything her and her veiled heritance wannabe Nazis were fighting for and how many they hurt
she was simply a supporter of isolationism, and wanted nothing to do with the war and continue to have the high elves sit on their island. not a terribly bad position or evil.
however she goes about it COMPLETLY wrong, a resistance or terrorist group, same thing different side, relies on the support of the common people you are in theory working for, on multiple occasions she has common people and citizens killed. (there goes your main support) conspires with long time enemies of the dominion (weakens your position with your people) and in the end throws in her lot with a daedric prince and summons daedra on the common people (destroys your position completely and worse makes anyone that might have supported you look like a daedra worshiper / evil doer)
had she taken no military action AT ALL and simply continued to spread anti-Ayrenn and isolationist / traditionalist thoughts and policies throughout Auridon it would have gone better, and had Ayrenn used military force or her eyes of the queen to get rid of the problem it would have made her look all the worse.
but nope, Estre as a person was evil, a b*tch, daedra worshipper, innocent killer, etc. with no redeeming value. so anyone that shared her opinions were the same. and everyone that supports the dominion is just the nicest person in the world that will give you free gold and poop rainbows. -_-
THIS SAME ARC happens throughout every arc. the good guys are just good, the bad guys are just bad (even if they have a reasonable reason behind it all) they execute their plans strategically horrible and irredeemably, and everything is black and white.
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Online:College_of_Aldmeri_Propriety
Maybe you missed that area or forgot about it. You should go back rethink about how you see her. They were about altmer supremacy, nothing less.
One would even think it is that group that came back and formed the Thalmor of the 4th era (Skyrim)
the only reason Khajiit and Bosmer were even there is because they were allowed onto Auridon as part of Ayrenn's dominion, and is stated as such by various NPC's throughout the story arc. the only reason there is discrimination on Auridon is because Ayrenn brought other races onto Auridon to be discriminated against.
The Altmer just want to be left alone and sit on their island. who cares if they think their better they can do it all by themselves on their island.
and no I don't like Estre, she's clearly a villain and evil and the story arc makes that clear. but the very seed of her idea was on its own fine (sitting on their island and being left alone and leaving the rest of the world alone in tern) but as I said, she's so evil and villainous about trying to reach that goal that it taints that goal itself into looking evil and she does more harm then good.
and what are we left with? if you want to sit on your island and not care then your obviously a xenophobic daedra worshipper that slaughters innocent lives and wants to murder every other race not yours. wow.
Estre and all the others are such villains that you don't have any grey area to see both points of view, as the opposing point of view may not at its core be evil but is so covered in piles of innocent lives and daedra that it makes it evil. -_-
Take Fallout 4 for example, everyone is still trying to figure out who the "good guys" are, or who has the better plan, or better goals, or capacity to carry out their mission, etc. every faction is good and bad in some ways. that negative is not always killing innocents. it might be short sightedness (minutemen), naivety and in some cases hypocrisy (railroad), too black and white a point of view (BoS) and questionable morals or do the ends justify the means (institute)
and the discussions are GREAT. everyone always has different reasons or views and that's awesome and leads to cool discussions and choices.
ESO is too black and white, I was never left feeling like maybe I made the wrong choice or supported the wrong person. . .other then maybe an odd side quest or two, but NEVER a main story arc.
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✭Supersnake_Lx wrote: »starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »
What? you may need to go through that storyline and think about everything her and her veiled heritance wannabe Nazis were fighting for and how many they hurt
she was simply a supporter of isolationism, and wanted nothing to do with the war and continue to have the high elves sit on their island. not a terribly bad position or evil.
however she goes about it COMPLETLY wrong, a resistance or terrorist group, same thing different side, relies on the support of the common people you are in theory working for, on multiple occasions she has common people and citizens killed. (there goes your main support) conspires with long time enemies of the dominion (weakens your position with your people) and in the end throws in her lot with a daedric prince and summons daedra on the common people (destroys your position completely and worse makes anyone that might have supported you look like a daedra worshiper / evil doer)
had she taken no military action AT ALL and simply continued to spread anti-Ayrenn and isolationist / traditionalist thoughts and policies throughout Auridon it would have gone better, and had Ayrenn used military force or her eyes of the queen to get rid of the problem it would have made her look all the worse.
but nope, Estre as a person was evil, a b*tch, daedra worshipper, innocent killer, etc. with no redeeming value. so anyone that shared her opinions were the same. and everyone that supports the dominion is just the nicest person in the world that will give you free gold and poop rainbows. -_-
THIS SAME ARC happens throughout every arc. the good guys are just good, the bad guys are just bad (even if they have a reasonable reason behind it all) they execute their plans strategically horrible and irredeemably, and everything is black and white.
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Online:College_of_Aldmeri_Propriety
Maybe you missed that area or forgot about it. You should go back rethink about how you see her. They were about altmer supremacy, nothing less.
One would even think it is that group that came back and formed the Thalmor of the 4th era (Skyrim)
the only reason Khajiit and Bosmer were even there is because they were allowed onto Auridon as part of Ayrenn's dominion, and is stated as such by various NPC's throughout the story arc. the only reason there is discrimination on Auridon is because Ayrenn brought other races onto Auridon to be discriminated against.
The Altmer just want to be left alone and sit on their island. who cares if they think their better they can do it all by themselves on their island.
and no I don't like Estre, she's clearly a villain and evil and the story arc makes that clear. but the very seed of her idea was on its own fine (sitting on their island and being left alone and leaving the rest of the world alone in tern) but as I said, she's so evil and villainous about trying to reach that goal that it taints that goal itself into looking evil and she does more harm then good.
and what are we left with? if you want to sit on your island and not care then your obviously a xenophobic daedra worshipper that slaughters innocent lives and wants to murder every other race not yours. wow.
Estre and all the others are such villains that you don't have any grey area to see both points of view, as the opposing point of view may not at its core be evil but is so covered in piles of innocent lives and daedra that it makes it evil. -_-
Take Fallout 4 for example, everyone is still trying to figure out who the "good guys" are, or who has the better plan, or better goals, or capacity to carry out their mission, etc. every faction is good and bad in some ways. that negative is not always killing innocents. it might be short sightedness (minutemen), naivety and in some cases hypocrisy (railroad), too black and white a point of view (BoS) and questionable morals or do the ends justify the means (institute)
and the discussions are GREAT. everyone always has different reasons or views and that's awesome and leads to cool discussions and choices.
ESO is too black and white, I was never left feeling like maybe I made the wrong choice or supported the wrong person. . .other then maybe an odd side quest or two, but NEVER a main story arc.
Now that I think about it, all leaders of the alliance must be actually quite evil, because they send their ppl kill each other and the reasoning behind their war isn't even that strong. Only power of course.Georgion - Bosmer/Templar - PC/EU0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Supersnake_Lx wrote: »starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »
What? you may need to go through that storyline and think about everything her and her veiled heritance wannabe Nazis were fighting for and how many they hurt
she was simply a supporter of isolationism, and wanted nothing to do with the war and continue to have the high elves sit on their island. not a terribly bad position or evil.
however she goes about it COMPLETLY wrong, a resistance or terrorist group, same thing different side, relies on the support of the common people you are in theory working for, on multiple occasions she has common people and citizens killed. (there goes your main support) conspires with long time enemies of the dominion (weakens your position with your people) and in the end throws in her lot with a daedric prince and summons daedra on the common people (destroys your position completely and worse makes anyone that might have supported you look like a daedra worshiper / evil doer)
had she taken no military action AT ALL and simply continued to spread anti-Ayrenn and isolationist / traditionalist thoughts and policies throughout Auridon it would have gone better, and had Ayrenn used military force or her eyes of the queen to get rid of the problem it would have made her look all the worse.
but nope, Estre as a person was evil, a b*tch, daedra worshipper, innocent killer, etc. with no redeeming value. so anyone that shared her opinions were the same. and everyone that supports the dominion is just the nicest person in the world that will give you free gold and poop rainbows. -_-
THIS SAME ARC happens throughout every arc. the good guys are just good, the bad guys are just bad (even if they have a reasonable reason behind it all) they execute their plans strategically horrible and irredeemably, and everything is black and white.
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Online:College_of_Aldmeri_Propriety
Maybe you missed that area or forgot about it. You should go back rethink about how you see her. They were about altmer supremacy, nothing less.
One would even think it is that group that came back and formed the Thalmor of the 4th era (Skyrim)
the only reason Khajiit and Bosmer were even there is because they were allowed onto Auridon as part of Ayrenn's dominion, and is stated as such by various NPC's throughout the story arc. the only reason there is discrimination on Auridon is because Ayrenn brought other races onto Auridon to be discriminated against.
The Altmer just want to be left alone and sit on their island. who cares if they think their better they can do it all by themselves on their island.
and no I don't like Estre, she's clearly a villain and evil and the story arc makes that clear. but the very seed of her idea was on its own fine (sitting on their island and being left alone and leaving the rest of the world alone in tern) but as I said, she's so evil and villainous about trying to reach that goal that it taints that goal itself into looking evil and she does more harm then good.
and what are we left with? if you want to sit on your island and not care then your obviously a xenophobic daedra worshipper that slaughters innocent lives and wants to murder every other race not yours. wow.
Estre and all the others are such villains that you don't have any grey area to see both points of view, as the opposing point of view may not at its core be evil but is so covered in piles of innocent lives and daedra that it makes it evil. -_-
Take Fallout 4 for example, everyone is still trying to figure out who the "good guys" are, or who has the better plan, or better goals, or capacity to carry out their mission, etc. every faction is good and bad in some ways. that negative is not always killing innocents. it might be short sightedness (minutemen), naivety and in some cases hypocrisy (railroad), too black and white a point of view (BoS) and questionable morals or do the ends justify the means (institute)
and the discussions are GREAT. everyone always has different reasons or views and that's awesome and leads to cool discussions and choices.
ESO is too black and white, I was never left feeling like maybe I made the wrong choice or supported the wrong person. . .other then maybe an odd side quest or two, but NEVER a main story arc.
Now that I think about it, all leaders of the alliance must be actually quite evil, because they send their ppl kill each other and the reasoning behind their war isn't even that strong. Only power of course.
just incompetent or have some form of proximity stupidity to one another, they are incredibly reasonable. . .up until you put the three of them in the same area then they pout and run to their rooms.ESO player since beta.
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Dark_Aether✭✭✭✭Supersnake_Lx wrote: »starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »
What? you may need to go through that storyline and think about everything her and her veiled heritance wannabe Nazis were fighting for and how many they hurt
she was simply a supporter of isolationism, and wanted nothing to do with the war and continue to have the high elves sit on their island. not a terribly bad position or evil.
however she goes about it COMPLETLY wrong, a resistance or terrorist group, same thing different side, relies on the support of the common people you are in theory working for, on multiple occasions she has common people and citizens killed. (there goes your main support) conspires with long time enemies of the dominion (weakens your position with your people) and in the end throws in her lot with a daedric prince and summons daedra on the common people (destroys your position completely and worse makes anyone that might have supported you look like a daedra worshiper / evil doer)
had she taken no military action AT ALL and simply continued to spread anti-Ayrenn and isolationist / traditionalist thoughts and policies throughout Auridon it would have gone better, and had Ayrenn used military force or her eyes of the queen to get rid of the problem it would have made her look all the worse.
but nope, Estre as a person was evil, a b*tch, daedra worshipper, innocent killer, etc. with no redeeming value. so anyone that shared her opinions were the same. and everyone that supports the dominion is just the nicest person in the world that will give you free gold and poop rainbows. -_-
THIS SAME ARC happens throughout every arc. the good guys are just good, the bad guys are just bad (even if they have a reasonable reason behind it all) they execute their plans strategically horrible and irredeemably, and everything is black and white.
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Online:College_of_Aldmeri_Propriety
Maybe you missed that area or forgot about it. You should go back rethink about how you see her. They were about altmer supremacy, nothing less.
One would even think it is that group that came back and formed the Thalmor of the 4th era (Skyrim)
the only reason Khajiit and Bosmer were even there is because they were allowed onto Auridon as part of Ayrenn's dominion, and is stated as such by various NPC's throughout the story arc. the only reason there is discrimination on Auridon is because Ayrenn brought other races onto Auridon to be discriminated against.
The Altmer just want to be left alone and sit on their island. who cares if they think their better they can do it all by themselves on their island.
How do you defend separatism vs unification? "...just want to be left alone and sit on their island." is not a good argument for "discrimination"; your word.Edited by Dark_Aether on January 21, 2016 4:48PM0 -
BippNasty✭✭I really enjoyed king *kurog a lot (not sure if the name is right). The honorable king of orsinium who turned bad under the influence of his mother. Great story!0
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SahrotRein✭✭✭✭I think I could come up with something better, but this guy was so blindfolded by the lust for power and becoming a God that I just idolized him, lol.
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✭✭Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Definitely Sheo. How many people took the book?
Exactly. For a lot of people, he made us do a pretty terrible thing for personal gain.
And that makes him far more dangerous than somebody who just wants to bash your head in.
Sheogorath knows your price. And ironically, for a mad god, his knowledge and insight is what makes him unbeatable.
That choice was the easiest in the game. More skill points for sacrificing a stupid cardboard character NPC who i could care less about? I wish i could sacrifice the rest of them for skill points. I wonder how much Razum Dar is worth.
Exactly, for a mere 5 skill points I'd betray Queen Ayrenn and hand the throne to Kinlady Este without thinking twice."We have found a cave, but I don't think there are warm fires and friendly faces inside."0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Supersnake_Lx wrote: »Supersnake_Lx wrote: »starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »
What? you may need to go through that storyline and think about everything her and her veiled heritance wannabe Nazis were fighting for and how many they hurt
she was simply a supporter of isolationism, and wanted nothing to do with the war and continue to have the high elves sit on their island. not a terribly bad position or evil.
however she goes about it COMPLETLY wrong, a resistance or terrorist group, same thing different side, relies on the support of the common people you are in theory working for, on multiple occasions she has common people and citizens killed. (there goes your main support) conspires with long time enemies of the dominion (weakens your position with your people) and in the end throws in her lot with a daedric prince and summons daedra on the common people (destroys your position completely and worse makes anyone that might have supported you look like a daedra worshiper / evil doer)
had she taken no military action AT ALL and simply continued to spread anti-Ayrenn and isolationist / traditionalist thoughts and policies throughout Auridon it would have gone better, and had Ayrenn used military force or her eyes of the queen to get rid of the problem it would have made her look all the worse.
but nope, Estre as a person was evil, a b*tch, daedra worshipper, innocent killer, etc. with no redeeming value. so anyone that shared her opinions were the same. and everyone that supports the dominion is just the nicest person in the world that will give you free gold and poop rainbows. -_-
THIS SAME ARC happens throughout every arc. the good guys are just good, the bad guys are just bad (even if they have a reasonable reason behind it all) they execute their plans strategically horrible and irredeemably, and everything is black and white.
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Online:College_of_Aldmeri_Propriety
Maybe you missed that area or forgot about it. You should go back rethink about how you see her. They were about altmer supremacy, nothing less.
One would even think it is that group that came back and formed the Thalmor of the 4th era (Skyrim)
the only reason Khajiit and Bosmer were even there is because they were allowed onto Auridon as part of Ayrenn's dominion, and is stated as such by various NPC's throughout the story arc. the only reason there is discrimination on Auridon is because Ayrenn brought other races onto Auridon to be discriminated against.
The Altmer just want to be left alone and sit on their island. who cares if they think their better they can do it all by themselves on their island.
How do you defend separatism vs unification? "...just want to be left alone and sit on their island." is not a good argument for "discrimination"; your word.
one is not bad compared to another, they are just different. the high elves are racist yeah, its kind of part of their culture and will be fore the next couple Era's and there are reasons for that. does that make it good? obviously not. so why not leave the racists who want to be left alone and sit on their island alone.
Ayrenn does not just promote unification, which, again, is not inherently bad just different. she wants the various races to be allowed in each others land, and kind of forces the issue. this is a huge slight to the high elves as the Summerset isles have been closed off to other races forever and is a huge disgrace to them when the loose the war against Tiber Septum and the empire.
She also promotes War, something a lot of the elves don't care about and do not want to deal with, and that's why she promotes unification, because the Altmer are not strong enough to win on their own. She also believes she is the best one to rule the Imperial City and that normal men cannot be trusted. (this is all conveniently brushed over.) so if the Altmer were strong enough to win on their own would she still promote unification?
so its not just separatism vs unification, its:
Estre = separatism / isolationism / traditionalism / anti war
Ayrenn = unification / expansionism / untraditional / pro war
little more grey area when Estre is not murdering everyone -_-
Edited by Wing on January 22, 2016 2:25AMESO player since beta.
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✭Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Definitely Sheo. How many people took the book?
Exactly. For a lot of people, he made us do a pretty terrible thing for personal gain.
And that makes him far more dangerous than somebody who just wants to bash your head in.
Sheogorath knows your price. And ironically, for a mad god, his knowledge and insight is what makes him unbeatable.
That choice was the easiest in the game. More skill points for sacrificing a stupid cardboard character NPC who i could care less about? I wish i could sacrifice the rest of them for skill points. I wonder how much Razum Dar is worth.
I agree, that was the easiest choice in the game. The moral option was quite clear, and I wasn't going to sacrifice someone that's only been friendly and helpful to me to a fate worse than death all for a bit of extra power that I couldn't care less about.Edited by Robo_Hobo on January 22, 2016 3:17AM0
