No auction house? How about this compromise, ZOS.

davey1107
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We get it - you don't want to build an auction house. Fine. But today I spent two hours roaming Tamriel because I wanted a Kyne's Kiss set to try. This was MISERABLE. It stinks, and frankly this guild system is a disservice to your players. So if you won't build an auction house, what if we find some middle ground?

Create an area - perhaps in your next DLC region - where a player can access ANY guild store with a trader. Maybe it's a shopping bazaar that has representatives from every region, and each rep allows players to access all guild stores from across that region. Or whatever. JUST STOP MAKING US TRAVEL ALL OVER TO FIND STUFF.
  • Xendyn
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    This I can go for. Some sort of centralized search or bazaar would be fine. We've said as much in various threads, too.

    After all, the NPC's know when you've committed a crime on the other side of Tamriel, why wouldn't they know where to find that Robe of the Lich?

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  • KYNG
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    And a "search" feature.

    Scrolling through guild bank and traders looking for that 1 item is horrible.
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  • Gidorick
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    IT'S AUCTION HORSE TIME!!!
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    Access to ANY guild store... that has paid their tithe to Clavicus Vile at a centralized location that roams!

    Link to the original post with details!: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/159594/eso-needs-an-auction-horse-expanded-concept/p1

    Edited by Gidorick on January 21, 2016 12:16AM
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  • KYNG
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    davey1107 wrote: »
    We get it - you don't want to build an auction house. Fine. But today I spent two hours roaming Tamriel because I wanted a Kyne's Kiss set to try. This was MISERABLE. It stinks, and frankly this guild system is a disservice to your players. So if you won't build an auction house, what if we find some middle ground?

    Create an area - perhaps in your next DLC region - where a player can access ANY guild store with a trader. Maybe it's a shopping bazaar that has representatives from every region, and each rep allows players to access all guild stores from across that region. Or whatever. JUST STOP MAKING US TRAVEL ALL OVER TO FIND STUFF.

    Just to add, its worse when youre looking for the best deal.
    Searching for a better price only to find out it was cheaper in an area 8 load screens ago.
    Going back and its already sold, then going back to another load screen to buy the 2nd cheapest.
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  • KYNG
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    Gidorick wrote: »
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    IT'S AUCTION HORSE TIME!!!
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    Access to ANY guild store... that has paid their tithe to Clavicus Vile at a centralized location that roams!

    Link to the original post with details!: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/159594/eso-needs-an-auction-horse-expanded-concept/p1

    While amusing we dont need more money sinks.

    I already pay a fee just for guild trader membership on top of the tax of sell in traders stores.
    I dont need my "membership fees" increased just to cover the mule price.

    We need a centralized trader location. I'd prefer an AH so I can be done with paying 2-3 guilds "membership fees".
    I dont sell everyday but I do sell. So still need the monopolistic trader guild for best exposure.

    I just wanna end with this, ESO has the worse, most cumbersome, inconvenient trader system in the past 2 years.

    People say AH is a monopoly, buy low resell high, and what do you think the current trader system is?
    Only the rich guilds can afford the best spots, who then dictate the price since ONLY members can sell.
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  • ShadowDisciple
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    KHAJIIT CARAVAN NUFF SAID

    srsly now..i like this system more than global
    Edited by ShadowDisciple on January 21, 2016 12:29AM
  • Toxic_Hemlock
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    I would just like a way to sell items that doesn't involve me joining a trading guild and paying dues. Merchants don't pay squat so I would be happy with a bulletin board system where you can post your items, If someone wants them they could just msg you with an offer.

    This way you wouldn't have to spam zone chat or sell to a merchant.
  • Gidorick
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    I would just like a way to sell items that doesn't involve me joining a trading guild and paying dues. Merchants don't pay squat so I would be happy with a bulletin board system where you can post your items, If someone wants them they could just msg you with an offer.

    This way you wouldn't have to spam zone chat or sell to a merchant.

    Guilds, by design, do NOT have a "dues" mechanic. Those guilds that charge you dues do so on their own. There are plenty trading guilds that charge no dues. You should seek out one of those.
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  • Toxic_Hemlock
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    I'll look for one, thank you.
  • AlnilamE
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    ...and then the game would spend 3 hours searching for that item while you stare at the screen.

    Kyne's Kiss is a very specific set. If you are not on console, did you try going to Cyrodiil and just saying WTB Kyne's Kiss?

    Or maybe look at stores from keeps in Cyrodiil, since those are mainly PvP guilds and would be more likely to have it.
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  • Korah_Eaglecry
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    Gidorick wrote: »
    I would just like a way to sell items that doesn't involve me joining a trading guild and paying dues. Merchants don't pay squat so I would be happy with a bulletin board system where you can post your items, If someone wants them they could just msg you with an offer.

    This way you wouldn't have to spam zone chat or sell to a merchant.

    Guilds, by design, do NOT have a "dues" mechanic. Those guilds that charge you dues do so on their own. There are plenty trading guilds that charge no dues. You should seek out one of those.

    And how many of them provide a preferred location that sees large numbers of players?

    Guilds asking for dues do this either to profit the top leadership or to keep the Trade Guild in a prime position to continue to sell. Telling someone to go find a Trade Guild that doesnt ask for dues without being able to show them these Guilds have prime locations week to week is being misleading.
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  • Gidorick
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    Gidorick wrote: »
    I would just like a way to sell items that doesn't involve me joining a trading guild and paying dues. Merchants don't pay squat so I would be happy with a bulletin board system where you can post your items, If someone wants them they could just msg you with an offer.

    This way you wouldn't have to spam zone chat or sell to a merchant.

    Guilds, by design, do NOT have a "dues" mechanic. Those guilds that charge you dues do so on their own. There are plenty trading guilds that charge no dues. You should seek out one of those.

    And how many of them provide a preferred location that sees large numbers of players?

    Guilds asking for dues do this either to profit the top leadership or to keep the Trade Guild in a prime position to continue to sell. Telling someone to go find a Trade Guild that doesnt ask for dues without being able to show them these Guilds have prime locations week to week is being misleading.

    He didn't say he was trying to be in the best spots or locations... he just want to sell items without having to join guilds and pay dues.

    Joining Guilds is required.
    Paying dues is not.
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  • Enodoc
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    The suggestion in the OP works for me. I think I mentioned it before, but every Guild Trader in the game is a member of the same faction (Gold Coast Trading Company), and I think it would be weird if that Company didn't require their employees to report back on who they were hired out to and what they were selling. So they just need to add an NPC somewhere in the game (logical location would be somewhere in each alliance capital) who would be the Gold Coast Trading Manager. Talking to them would give you access to the Gold Coast Trading Coster Roster ( < :D ) which would allow you to search all Guild Traders, and would also show you where each trader's Guild Kiosk is located.
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  • Khaos_Bane
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    The OPs suggestion would certainly be better than what we have now.
  • Heindrich
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    Many of you don't seem to get it...

    A central bazaar is functionally the same as a global Auction House. It would eliminate market segmentation and geographic variations in the economy. If you're thinking "so what?"

    More market segmentation = Less Inequality

    Why?

    Market Segmentation creates barriers that prevents mega rich traders like me from easily cornering the market on a certain commodity like Kuta or Dreugh Wax, because whilst I am rich enough to buy up every single one on my server, in the time it takes me to hop around different zones, somebody else can buy it first. This makes it too inefficient for most traders to bother with manipulating the market in ESO in a big way.

    This essentially means that the trading efficiency of players do not scale off their existing wealth like in some other games. i.e. a trader with 100M gold has the same income as a trader with 10M gold, because that extra 90M doesn't help him make any more gold due to the lack of trade-able super-premium items and the market segmentation built into the ESO economy.

    If market segmentation is removed, mark my words, many of plutocrats of ESO who are currently too lazy to play market will start doing so, and the current inequality between traders and everyone else will look like a socialist paradise compared to what will develop. There is a reason that capitalism is constrained by wealth redistribution in real life to prevent runaway wealth concentration...

    Edit:

    Oh yea if you're wondering "if you're so rich and would benefit from a global AH, why do you oppose it?

    The answer is that I don't want to spend my days sitting at the central bazaar playing the market, but if my fellow traders start doing so, I must also do it to remain competitive.
    Edited by Heindrich on January 21, 2016 3:47PM
  • Zouni
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    No AH...bump.
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  • Tandor
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    This is how I have previously recommended opening up the existing system so that it caters to all players at all levels on all platforms, be they buyers or sellers:-

    For buyers, I would have a proper search function which would only be available in trader locations, but which would allow all traders to be searched wherever they may be, so in essence a global search board in every trader location. To get around the need to travel and access inaccessible zones, while maintaining the travel for those who enjoy it, I'd have the option to go to the trader and buy the item as at present but with the alternative option of having the item mailed to you at a significant delivery charge. These changes would get rid of the hassle of buying and open it up to all buyers irrespective of level or alliance.

    For sellers, I would have a single NPC trader in each main guild trader location (so in cities but not on isolated roads where there's only a single trader) through whom players could sell a very limited number of items regardless of guild membership, at a substantially increased commission with all commission split between the guilds trading in that location at the time. This would open up the system to those casual wannabe traders not in guilds as well as those in guilds that weren't successful in getting a trader at that time, but it would not threaten the trading guilds because you would literally only be able to list a couple of items or so and they would receive their share of the commission paid for those listings.

    The NPC traders could be part of an organisation for whom one might have to do a separate quest in order to unlock each NPC trader. That organisation could also be responsible for maintaining the search board described above and which could also be unlocked by a quest.

    Lastly, I would ensure that the system was modified in a way that enabled all its functions to be fully accessed through the default UI without the need for addons, so that it was readily available to players of all versions of the game.
  • TheDracojan
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    To be honest, I don't think we came here to play this game to have auction houses and generic quests. We came here to play the Elder Scrolls for its uniqueness! This game sets itself apart from all the other dying MMOs by being what none of them can be, by having systems like none of them have.

    WE DIDN'T COME HERE FOR AVERAGE! WE CAME FOR GREATNESS!

    But seriously, auction houses are so generic it hurts even to think about them. If you're a merchant who respects himself then you'll do what any merchant would do: search, negotiate, deal.
  • xericdx
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    Just to say that there are several Guilds in top spots (Grathwood, Raw'lka in AD) that do not force people to pay fees. Just checks on sales and activity at least once every X days.

    ....And I agree with Heiderich.
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  • BippNasty
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    I think an auction house would be lame. I enjoy the current system. It makes rare items actually rare and hard to find. If everything was in one master list, everything would be easy as hell to find and would drive prices down, make the trading system just stale and boring and say goodbye to guild traders. Please, no auction house. I enjoy the struggle to search tamriel for that one rare item your In need of. You guys are all just lazy.
  • Zerok
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    cyx54tc wrote: »
    This is the best existing solution.

    I've been using this to find rare recipes that are otherwise impossible to find. It works great, but it would be greater if the update frequency was higher.
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  • Paske
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    davey1107 wrote: »
    We get it - you don't want to build an auction house. Fine. But today I spent two hours roaming Tamriel because I wanted a Kyne's Kiss set to try. This was MISERABLE. It stinks, and frankly this guild system is a disservice to your players. So if you won't build an auction house, what if we find some middle ground?

    Create an area - perhaps in your next DLC region - where a player can access ANY guild store with a trader. Maybe it's a shopping bazaar that has representatives from every region, and each rep allows players to access all guild stores from across that region. Or whatever. JUST STOP MAKING US TRAVEL ALL OVER TO FIND STUFF.

    Reason you could not find Kynes Kiss is becaus most of us that enjoy Cyrodill vendor this and consider it vendor trash.

    Asking in PVP oriented guild would have been easier.

    And before you go on self righteous rant that you deserve auction house and ... stuff.

    If you really want something done there are 2 ways:
    1. Make some effort - like ask in Cyrodill or in guilds
    2. Cry on forums because game is not "like you wanted it" and you deserve best !

    Basically if you are looking for a rare set ( in this case not because it does not drop, but because most of us destroy it ) be ready to make some effort above - Rawklah, Craglorn - this s**t is hard yo !
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