Suggestion: Magicka version of Dodge Roll.

mistermutiny89 · January 2016

Before I get completely and totally annihilated by the ESO public I'd just like to point out this is just a suggestion. Not what I feel MUST be. It's rather in the interest of pure balance.

A couple of dodge rolls in a stamina build doesn't hurt a stamina based character. In fact unless they are a cloak spamming Stam nightblade they don't have to worry about purple food at all.

Unfortunately for a vr16 magicka nightblade you are lucky to get a break free and dodge roll within 8 seconds WITH purple food. We all know pure mi/Max builds require blue or green food.

How bout the magicka builds get something like a fade step from Dragon Age Inquistion but of course the distance and animation time must be EXACTLY the same as a stamina dodge roll.

The break free animation and cost can sorted of look like how a character looks after resurrecting with a soul gem too.

Once upon a time I'd have said magicka builds get better healing to make up for regen or champ points being put into perks to reduce break free and rolls but now that points are limited and vigor (subjectively the most powerful cheap pvp heal in the game) is so accessible it's time for real balance.

eventide03b14a_ESO · January 2016

mistermutiny89 wrote: »

Before I get completely and totally annihilated by the ESO public I'd just like to point out this is just a suggestion. Not what I feel MUST be. It's rather in the interest of pure balance.

A couple of dodge rolls in a stamina build doesn't hurt a stamina based character. In fact unless they are a cloak spamming Stam nightblade they don't have to worry about purple food at all.

Unfortunately for a vr16 magicka nightblade you are lucky to get a break free and dodge roll within 8 seconds WITH purple food. We all know pure mi/Max builds require blue or green food.

How bout the magicka builds get something like a fade step from Dragon Age Inquistion but of course the distance and animation time must be EXACTLY the same as a stamina dodge roll.

The break free animation and cost can sorted of look like how a character looks after resurrecting with a soul gem too.

Once upon a time I'd have said magicka builds get better healing to make up for regen or champ points being put into perks to reduce break free and rolls but now that points are limited and vigor (subjectively the most powerful cheap pvp heal in the game) is so accessible it's time for real balance.

There is a magicka dodge roll: Bolt Escape.

Molag_Crow · January 2016

For DKs and Templars, sure, but a mag NB can just cloak, so... you know. xD Invis pots aren't reliable either. I stopped using them a while ago.

NewBlacksmurf · January 2016

I get what you're suggesting but it just doesn't read well because you're comparing it to something that is a physical movement available to all characters which has the same effectiveness regardless of spec or stats.

In general, just use dodge roll

bikerangelo · January 2016

I think this idea is a direct result of the dodge roll nerf. Prior to the nerf (and the ungodly nerf to jumping while in stealth, anyone remember when that existed for a couple weeks?), magic users didn't have as much of a problem with dodge rolling. I could dodge roll 4 or 5 times before my stamina got low, but now I can only dodge roll twice.
Just reverse the nerf and readjust the dodge roll bonus in the medium armor passives, it's what ZOS should've done originally. I have 40 CP into tumbling and each dodge roll still takes away half my stamina.

Khaos_Bane · January 2016

A Nightblade asking for MORE POWER !!!!!

Off with his head !

mistermutiny89 · January 2016

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

I get what you're suggesting but it just doesn't read well because you're comparing it to something that is a physical movement available to all characters which has the same effectiveness regardless of spec or stats.

In general, just use dodge roll

Spectral dodge: animation looks much like a dodge roll but you look like how your character looks after a soul gem revive.

Winning!!

Also do you love how we are getting text chat smurf? After your argument about how no means no? Haha. I'm kidding. Hope you're well mate.

tennant94 · January 2016

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

mistermutiny89 wrote: »

Before I get completely and totally annihilated by the ESO public I'd just like to point out this is just a suggestion. Not what I feel MUST be. It's rather in the interest of pure balance.

A couple of dodge rolls in a stamina build doesn't hurt a stamina based character. In fact unless they are a cloak spamming Stam nightblade they don't have to worry about purple food at all.

Unfortunately for a vr16 magicka nightblade you are lucky to get a break free and dodge roll within 8 seconds WITH purple food. We all know pure mi/Max builds require blue or green food.

How bout the magicka builds get something like a fade step from Dragon Age Inquistion but of course the distance and animation time must be EXACTLY the same as a stamina dodge roll.

The break free animation and cost can sorted of look like how a character looks after resurrecting with a soul gem too.

Once upon a time I'd have said magicka builds get better healing to make up for regen or champ points being put into perks to reduce break free and rolls but now that points are limited and vigor (subjectively the most powerful cheap pvp heal in the game) is so accessible it's time for real balance.

There is a magicka dodge roll: Bolt Escape.

hahahaha just no

Egonieser · January 2016

Playing mostly magicka chars I'd be inclined to agree, but only to an extent. Magicka builds have much more utility compared to stamina and thus do not need to rely on dodgeroll and break free that often.
Take the same magicka NB for example (I play it too).
You have access to restoration staff - good heals and one of the best defensive abilities in-game - healing ward, which even favours you being low health, because let's face it, who doesn't like a 20k bubble, even 6 seconds is more then enough to cloak and reposition/heal back up and you are ready to battle again. Stamina builds have no such luxury, while vigour is good, it is HoT and not a instant lifesaver, which must be heavily combined with dodgerolls to give it a chance to heal back up.

This is just one example out of many.

WillhelmBlack · January 2016

Pretty sure you could sacrifice some of that 47k Magicka for stamina?

Leandor · January 2016

Yeah, that will go well... "I want the only weakness of the magblade to be rectified, you know, to be more balanced"

Casdha · January 2016

Only if a Stamina build can pick it up and use it for an extra resource pool for dodge,,,,, then again what would get broken trying to implement this,,,, On second though I'll pass.

mistermutiny89 · January 2016

Just another thought, if not dodge roll at least break free. We already take a whopping hit to physical res (have you been in full light armour blocking a crit wb? That shite still hurts but costs a tonne of Stam that your best just taking the hit and getting cc immunity for 6 seconds). Plus their weapon damage is easier to max without maximise their light and heavy attack damage.

Bubbles and healing got nerfed substantially and our physical resistance is barely noticeable for a dps build. Stamina builds get the use of immovable (barely used sure) and that's an option on top of their cheap break free mechanic. Use a break free as a magicka build and don't expect to use another for a good ten seconds meanwhile another player has cc'd you. Also I've had a wb knock me on my bum whilst an immovable potion was just drrunk so I don't have faith in that regardless.

Also my vet 3 stam bosmer nb does better than my vr16 mag nb in pvp... Why? Dodge rolls and cc breaks at a cheaper cast.

Mashille · January 2016

A Stamina Version of Streak for all Classes? Please.

mistermutiny89 · January 2016

keybaud wrote: »

A Stamina Version of Streak for all Classes? Please.

Streak stuns and goes around four meters. A roll would go one meter and scale just the same as stamina does! If not then break free at the very least. Makes sense to me.

But then again everyone against this is a Stam user (current meta) everyone for it is a current magicka user. I have 8 characters half half and stamina two hander is the easiest to use. Magicka needs some love again. That's what's lacking.

Witar · January 2016

Aren't nightblades already stupidly overpowered and easy to play?
Do you need "kill everyone and escape" button?)

Khaos_Bane · January 2016

Witar wrote: »

Aren't nightblades already stupidly overpowered and easy to play?
Do you need "kill everyone and escape" button?)

Yes please ! My nightblade is almost VR1 ! That would encourage me to level even more quickly !

Please ZoS, for the love of god, MORE POWER !!!

mistermutiny89 · January 2016

Egonieser wrote: »

Playing mostly magicka chars I'd be inclined to agree, but only to an extent. Magicka builds have much more utility compared to stamina and thus do not need to rely on dodgeroll and break free that often.
Take the same magicka NB for example (I play it too).
You have access to restoration staff - good heals and one of the best defensive abilities in-game - healing ward, which even favours you being low health, because let's face it, who doesn't like a 20k bubble, even 6 seconds is more then enough to cloak and reposition/heal back up and you are ready to battle again. Stamina builds have no such luxury, while vigour is good, it is HoT and not a instant lifesaver, which must be heavily combined with dodgerolls to give it a chance to heal back up.

This is just one example out of many.

Healing ward must be combined with heavy cloak too. Plus it's much more expensive in total than vigor and dodge rolls plus vigor is an aoe heal.

I do see where you are coming from but magicka break free or dodge roll is a must if not both. We already suffer from less damage and less resistance to physical attacks. Tell you what, give has the same phys resistance as a Stam build has magicka resistance then give us spell damage bonus as they get weapon damage bonus and we'll drop the debate all together. We're getting jipped.

leepalmer95 · January 2016

Witar wrote: »

Aren't nightblades already stupidly overpowered and easy to play?
Do you need "kill everyone and escape" button?)

They already have a kill everything and escape button.

Still magblade complaing xD

Use tri drinks for regen instead of that 40k magicka.

mistermutiny89 · January 2016

Witar wrote: »

Aren't nightblades already stupidly overpowered and easy to play?
Do you need "kill everyone and escape" button?)

Strike one for me, bringing up night blades and if you think Stam blades aren't the meta right now you are crazy. I'm leveling one up now in PVE and sewers and brawler for PVE spam stops near all damage and wrecking blow stun locks everything else.

I have my vr16 mag blade on ice doing writs only whilst I level my Stam blade and my mag Templar to vr16 where I'm realising these massive flaws. At least break free should be a universal skill and dodge takes a little skill to maneuver regardless of where it's spending resources thanks to the roll nerf. You're BLIND if you can't at least acknowledge that.

Khaos_Bane · January 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Witar wrote: »

Aren't nightblades already stupidly overpowered and easy to play?
Do you need "kill everyone and escape" button?)

They already have a kill everything and escape button.

Still magblade complaing xD

Use tri drinks for regen instead of that 40k magicka.

I was racking up PvP kills on my nightblade this morning while having my oatmeal.

eventide03b14a_ESO · January 2016

tennant94 wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

mistermutiny89 wrote: »

Before I get completely and totally annihilated by the ESO public I'd just like to point out this is just a suggestion. Not what I feel MUST be. It's rather in the interest of pure balance.

A couple of dodge rolls in a stamina build doesn't hurt a stamina based character. In fact unless they are a cloak spamming Stam nightblade they don't have to worry about purple food at all.

Unfortunately for a vr16 magicka nightblade you are lucky to get a break free and dodge roll within 8 seconds WITH purple food. We all know pure mi/Max builds require blue or green food.

How bout the magicka builds get something like a fade step from Dragon Age Inquistion but of course the distance and animation time must be EXACTLY the same as a stamina dodge roll.

The break free animation and cost can sorted of look like how a character looks after resurrecting with a soul gem too.

Once upon a time I'd have said magicka builds get better healing to make up for regen or champ points being put into perks to reduce break free and rolls but now that points are limited and vigor (subjectively the most powerful cheap pvp heal in the game) is so accessible it's time for real balance.

There is a magicka dodge roll: Bolt Escape.

hahahaha just no

Please tell me you didn't think I was serious...

Miszou · January 2016

lol - Is this the inevitable result of min/maxing?

Not even enough stamina to dodge roll twice?

timidobserver · January 2016

Magicka Builds should be able to fly. <~~~lore supported