Not a Fan of Boss' Ability to Reset Fights (Edit: Developers Appear to Have Fixed This)

Jeremiah12LGeek · January 2016

Every time I get a boss down to 30% health, they reset the fight, heal themselves to full, and then immediately start attacking me again while I'm still wounded.

I have to go through this process a random number of times against every boss, and it is one of the game's biggest flaws. Obviously, they're not going to remove it at this point, if they haven't already, but I'm beginning to find it a very serious barrier against my motivation to play the game.

AngryNord · January 2016

*predicts a thread with multiple pages of "l2p n00b"*

Saint314Louis1985 · January 2016

Dont think i have ever had this happen.. Are u luring the boss too far away from his original spawn location?

Shunravi · January 2016

Are you 'kiting'

It sounds as though you are bringing bosses to far from their spawn and they reset. I could be wrong, which bosses are you fighting? And are you ranged?

TotterTates · January 2016

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote: »

Every time I get a boss down to 30% health, they reset the fight, heal themselves to full, and then immediately start attacking me again while I'm still wounded.

I have to go through this process a random number of times against every boss, and it is one of the game's biggest flaws. Obviously, they're not going to remove it at this point, if they haven't already, but I'm beginning to find it a very serious barrier against my motivation to play the game.

Most enemies are tethered to a set location and can only move about within a defined radius before resetting.

Are you standing somewhere that you shouldn't be (e.g., on top of a box)?

Are you employing a kiting strategy?

Does the game just not like you?

Spacemonkey · January 2016

EDIT: So in retrospect to the comments, I'm understanding the boss isn't actuallly healing (no animation) but re-setting (health instantly back up - period of invulnerability and loss of aggro) -> Well that's cause you got it too far from it's spawn point. Just use dodge a bit more to avoid said boss and make it run after you in a pattern around it's spawn point, don't stray too far from that initial point. How close you are to the boss doesn't matter. How close Boss is to it's spawn IS. If you manage getting to a point where Boss cannot pathfind to you (regardless if it has range and can still attack you) game will reset it as it considers it exploiting and code IS in place to prevent that.

Shunravi · January 2016

It would just be nice to know how you are moving and handeling the fights. Leashes can be anoying. Especially if you try to use terrain advantages and they cant reach you.

Long ago on these forums there were similar complaints about how far you could move something before it reset.... Havent heard them in a while.

Now if you are stationary and they are resetting, then i immagine its some kind of time gate and thats just stupid.

Waffennacht · January 2016

I have had it happen a few times, without going out of range.

Sometimes I start the fight, hit the boss with 3ish moves, they go back to start and restart. Very strange.

Nestor · January 2016

There is still one boss I know of that if it goes back to its start point (as it moves around, not kiting related) it resets. It's in the north part of Grahtwood. However all other bosses only reset if you kite them too far from where they start, and it's always a decent distance.

DRXHarbinger · January 2016

What boss?

AngryNord · January 2016

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

What boss?

There are many bosses that do this

TheShadowScout · January 2016

I cannot recall -ever- having a boss reset on me. Well, not unless I kite them past their tether, or try to kill them from a position where they cannot attack back of course.
You peeps say this actually happens? Huh. Wierd.

AlnilamE · January 2016

World Bosses? Delve bosses? Dungeon bosses?

That might help.

Unsent.Soul · January 2016

Op... suprised yoy haven't been back to comment. This is a first for me, and probably others, that someone is having this issue. It's a serious issue for you and most likely only you. You are kiting enemies but why? How long? Do you expect them to follow you throughout the entire map?

Common sense these days, it's a prized concept.

Shunravi · January 2016

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

Op... suprised yoy haven't been back to comment. This is a first for me, and probably others, that someone is having this issue. It's a serious issue for you and most likely only you. You are kiting enemies but why? How long? Do you expect them to follow you throughout the entire map?

Common sense these days, it's a prized concept.

No reason to take jabs, let's try to help.

DRXHarbinger · January 2016

AngryNord wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

What boss?

There are many bosses that do this

It was more asking which one in particular. I always lol at when your down to one man and the game decides to end the battle before the killing blow has been struck....like aaaaaaaand end scene ...bang dead...

exeeter702 · January 2016

Literally never had this happen to me on any world boss ever on ps4 and pc.

99 percent sure the OP is unfamiliar with mmo mob tethering mechanics

-OP is kiting boss to the breaking point
-boss starts returning to spawn, op follows
thinking it's still fighting
-boss resets and instantly re-establishes threat
since op was following close
-OP sees it as the boss healing
-frustration ensues

RAGUNAnoOne · January 2016

I saw this with the automoton ambush 3 times in vet darkshade one day our group never left that area for gods sake why did it reset

CaptainObvious · January 2016

Some bosses reset if they are marked targets and take a stealth attack. Very annoying.

Waffennacht · January 2016

CaptainObvious wrote: »

Some bosses reset if they are marked targets and take a stealth attack. Very annoying.

Sounds very close to what happens for me.

What exactly happens is, and with any boss or npc and very rarely, is that I am obviously out of their range, as I start walking into their range I start off with Surge AC Curse AC Frag.

Then Sometimes the enemy engages, walks about half the distance to me.... and then is like "@$!# this", tuns around, (at which point acts exactly like a kited too far npc and isn't damaged, can't target) walks back to starting position, resets, then engages me.

I was assuming it had something to do with me attacking as I enter their range and the ACing many moves, but I can't be sure.

Im on Xbox one fyi

Btw the worst is: when no bug occurs, but while you are soloing your sorc pet leads the boss into the reset distance

TotterTates · January 2016

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

I saw this with the automoton ambush 3 times in vet darkshade one day our group never left that area for gods sake why did it reset

Sometimes the tank needs to manually pull some of the centurions... it's strange, but it keeps the encounter from restting.

Forestd16b14_ESO · January 2016

Um sounds like you're taking the boss to far away from there spawn point. Like I know the 5D's and all but 5D to much and the boss will reset.

Toc de Malsvi · January 2016

I've had this happen to me and I was fighting boss on spawn point, I was burning his adds though while not doing any damage to him and strafe circling. I've found it happen a few times and it is always related to not hitting the boss for a fairly long period of time(30-60s).

Also this has happened quite often when I open on a boss, especially if I'm opening from stealth and I believe it is related to broken stealth mechanics that are not registering that you are out of stealth after attacking. It has only happened to my NB tank though, and I do not use cloak on my tank.

mistermutiny89 · January 2016

It happens more with melee bosses and yes kiting. It also happens when you are not the one kiting but if a random joins the fight in the sewers and realises he's bitten off more than he or she can chew and runs away, systematically healing the boss to full health after you soloed him near to death. Be gone randoms! Be gone!

Peel_Ya_Cap_517 · January 2016

Also, are you a Nightblade?? Some bosses will reset if you've been successfully Cloaked for a while..

Jeremiah12LGeek · January 2016

Saint314Louis1985 wrote: »

Dont think i have ever had this happen.. Are u luring the boss too far away from his original spawn location?

I wondered if that had anything to do with it the first few times, so I made an effort to stay on top of the boss spawn points when I fight them (which is a giant pain in the butt.) Since then, it usually happens directly on top of a boss' spawn point. Where I'm standing doesn't appear to make any difference.

Jeremiah12LGeek · January 2016

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

What boss?

About 50% of them, from my experience, so far.

Jeremiah12LGeek · January 2016

Shunravi wrote: »

It would just be nice to know how you are moving and handeling the fights. Leashes can be anoying. Especially if you try to use terrain advantages and they cant reach you.

Long ago on these forums there were similar complaints about how far you could move something before it reset.... Havent heard them in a while.

Now if you are stationary and they are resetting, then i immagine its some kind of time gate and thats just stupid.

I do move around a lot, but primarily in a circle around the boss, and I virtually never move more than ten meters from their spawn point (specifically because I assume it is related to the problem.) It hasn't stopped it from happening constantly.

Jeremiah12LGeek · January 2016

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

Op... suprised yoy haven't been back to comment. This is a first for me, and probably others, that someone is having this issue. It's a serious issue for you and most likely only you. You are kiting enemies but why? How long? Do you expect them to follow you throughout the entire map?

Common sense these days, it's a prized concept.

I'm not sure I'd accuse me of having no common sense with the limited information that you have.

As I have explained already, I stopped kiting bosses to try and address the issue, but it didn't make any difference.

Jeremiah12LGeek · January 2016

exeeter702 wrote: »

Literally never had this happen to me on any world boss ever on ps4 and pc.

99 percent sure the OP is unfamiliar with mmo mob tethering mechanics

-OP is kiting boss to the breaking point
-boss starts returning to spawn, op follows
thinking it's still fighting
-boss resets and instantly re-establishes threat
since op was following close
-OP sees it as the boss healing
-frustration ensues

No. I am nowhere near far enough away from the spawn point for it to happen like that. In fact, the OP doesn't describe the scenario you seem to have concluded, at all.

It's more like.

-Boss is 5 meters from spawn point.
- Bass is down to 20-40% health.
- Boss is suddenly at full health, and walks 1 or 2 meters towards spawn point before turning around and immediately attacking again.

Jeremiah12LGeek · January 2016

CaptainObvious wrote: »

Some bosses reset if they are marked targets and take a stealth attack. Very annoying.

Well this may be hitting on the problem, then, since almost everything I do is stealth attacks.