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"Oh, you're an Argonian"
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Any of you fellow Argonians hear this a lot after you group up with people? I mean this is getting pretty ridiculous with the lame ass passives. At least give us the option to change race if nothing is going to be done to make them better. Maybe I would reroll but I have a full time job and its hard to find time.
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✭Racism, f*** yeah! A true TES game right here:^)P.A.W.S. - Positively Against Wild Sasquatches - NO TO BIGFOOT!8 -
joleda4ub17_ESO✭✭✭IMHO, the racial passives are pretty lame. The game is centered around the idea that any class can do any role. A player can redo his or her entire archetype, except for the race. It just turns out, that the choice of race during character creation is one of the most important choices. One bad choice affects your effectiveness and fun.
IMHO, a better concept of racial passives would be to remove any % based passives and, instead, give a set amount equivalent to 1/2/3 attribute points. For example, a racial passive that improves max magicka only raises it by 111/222/333 for spending 1/2/3 attribute points. This theme would not be lore breaking. Some races would always be considered "better" magic users for having 333 more magicka.Edited by joleda4ub17_ESO on January 17, 2016 9:57PM1 -
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✭joleda4ub17_ESO wrote: »IMHO, the racial passives are pretty lame. The game is centered around the idea that any class can do any role. A player can redo his or her entire archetype, except for the race. It just turns out, that the choice of race during character creation is one of the most important choices. One bad choice affects your effectiveness and fun.
IMHO, a better concept of racial passives would be to remove any % based passives and, instead, give a set amount equivalent to 1/2/3 attribute points. For example, a racial passive that improves max magicka only raises it by 111/222/333 for spending 1/2/3 attribute points. This theme would not be lore breaking. Some races would always be considered "better" magic users for having 333 more magicka.
Races are not THAT inportant. It's only important if you're a minmaxer. You can do everything in the game with every race on every class. I'm pretty happy with the racial system right now. However, I do agree that argonian passives are shite. That swimspeed OP tho :^)
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✭strikeback1247 wrote: »joleda4ub17_ESO wrote: »IMHO, the racial passives are pretty lame. The game is centered around the idea that any class can do any role. A player can redo his or her entire archetype, except for the race. It just turns out, that the choice of race during character creation is one of the most important choices. One bad choice affects your effectiveness and fun.
IMHO, a better concept of racial passives would be to remove any % based passives and, instead, give a set amount equivalent to 1/2/3 attribute points. For example, a racial passive that improves max magicka only raises it by 111/222/333 for spending 1/2/3 attribute points. This theme would not be lore breaking. Some races would always be considered "better" magic users for having 333 more magicka.
Races are not THAT inportant. It's only important if you're a minmaxer. You can do everything in the game with every race on every class. I'm pretty happy with the racial system right now. However, I do agree that argonian passives are shite. That swimspeed OP tho :^)
Of course you are happy with the racial system, you are a Khajiit stam NB.6 -
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✭strikeback1247 wrote: »joleda4ub17_ESO wrote: »IMHO, the racial passives are pretty lame. The game is centered around the idea that any class can do any role. A player can redo his or her entire archetype, except for the race. It just turns out, that the choice of race during character creation is one of the most important choices. One bad choice affects your effectiveness and fun.
IMHO, a better concept of racial passives would be to remove any % based passives and, instead, give a set amount equivalent to 1/2/3 attribute points. For example, a racial passive that improves max magicka only raises it by 111/222/333 for spending 1/2/3 attribute points. This theme would not be lore breaking. Some races would always be considered "better" magic users for having 333 more magicka.
Races are not THAT inportant. It's only important if you're a minmaxer. You can do everything in the game with every race on every class. I'm pretty happy with the racial system right now. However, I do agree that argonian passives are shite. That swimspeed OP tho :^)
Of course you are happy with the racial system, you are a Khajiit stam NB.
With a fubar Carnage passive.3 -
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✭strikeback1247 wrote: »joleda4ub17_ESO wrote: »IMHO, the racial passives are pretty lame. The game is centered around the idea that any class can do any role. A player can redo his or her entire archetype, except for the race. It just turns out, that the choice of race during character creation is one of the most important choices. One bad choice affects your effectiveness and fun.
IMHO, a better concept of racial passives would be to remove any % based passives and, instead, give a set amount equivalent to 1/2/3 attribute points. For example, a racial passive that improves max magicka only raises it by 111/222/333 for spending 1/2/3 attribute points. This theme would not be lore breaking. Some races would always be considered "better" magic users for having 333 more magicka.
Races are not THAT inportant. It's only important if you're a minmaxer. You can do everything in the game with every race on every class. I'm pretty happy with the racial system right now. However, I do agree that argonian passives are shite. That swimspeed OP tho :^)
Of course you are happy with the racial system, you are a Khajiit stam NB.
Yeah, I chose khajiit for my main because they are my favourite race in the ES universe. It fits my usual sneaky play style, so I also chose a nightblade. I never chose khajiit because of their passives, I chose the khajiit because of RP reasons and playstyle. You should only pick a race for passives if you want to minmax. By the way, the khajiit main passive is broken, but I don't give a damn.
Khajiit are love, Khajiit are life.
The system is fine right now. Each race has something unique, but not too powerful. Some races just have crappy passives that need to be changed or buffed.
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Darkonflare15✭✭✭✭✭Shader_Shibes wrote: »strikeback1247 wrote: »joleda4ub17_ESO wrote: »IMHO, the racial passives are pretty lame. The game is centered around the idea that any class can do any role. A player can redo his or her entire archetype, except for the race. It just turns out, that the choice of race during character creation is one of the most important choices. One bad choice affects your effectiveness and fun.
IMHO, a better concept of racial passives would be to remove any % based passives and, instead, give a set amount equivalent to 1/2/3 attribute points. For example, a racial passive that improves max magicka only raises it by 111/222/333 for spending 1/2/3 attribute points. This theme would not be lore breaking. Some races would always be considered "better" magic users for having 333 more magicka.
Races are not THAT inportant. It's only important if you're a minmaxer. You can do everything in the game with every race on every class. I'm pretty happy with the racial system right now. However, I do agree that argonian passives are shite. That swimspeed OP tho :^)
Of course you are happy with the racial system, you are a Khajiit stam NB.
With a fubar Carnage passive.
Yeah agree. The Khajiiti do not even have their defining passive working right now.
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Yeah, I chose khajiit Argonian for my main because they are my favourite race in the ES universe. It fits my usual sneaky slimy play style, so I also chose a nightblade. I never chose khajiit Argonian because of their passives, I chose the khajiit Argonian because of RP reasons and playstyle. You should only pick a race for passives if you want to minmax. By the way, the khajiit Argonian main passive is broken overpowered, but I don't give a damn. Everyone will change to Argonian when the great flood comes!strikeback1247 wrote: »strikeback1247 wrote: »joleda4ub17_ESO wrote: »IMHO, the racial passives are pretty lame. The game is centered around the idea that any class can do any role. A player can redo his or her entire archetype, except for the race. It just turns out, that the choice of race during character creation is one of the most important choices. One bad choice affects your effectiveness and fun.
IMHO, a better concept of racial passives would be to remove any % based passives and, instead, give a set amount equivalent to 1/2/3 attribute points. For example, a racial passive that improves max magicka only raises it by 111/222/333 for spending 1/2/3 attribute points. This theme would not be lore breaking. Some races would always be considered "better" magic users for having 333 more magicka.
Races are not THAT inportant. It's only important if you're a minmaxer. You can do everything in the game with every race on every class. I'm pretty happy with the racial system right now. However, I do agree that argonian passives are shite. That swimspeed OP tho :^)
Of course you are happy with the racial system, you are a Khajiit stam NB.
Yeah, I chose khajiit for my main because they are my favourite race in the ES universe. It fits my usual sneaky play style, so I also chose a nightblade. I never chose khajiit because of their passives, I chose the khajiit because of RP reasons and playstyle. You should only pick a race for passives if you want to minmax. By the way, the khajiit main passive is broken, but I don't give a damn.
Khajiit are love, Khajiit are life.
The system is fine right now. Each race has something unique, but not too powerful. Some races just have crappy passives that need to be changed or buffed.
Khajiit Argonian are love, Khajiit Argonian are life.
The system is fine right now. Each race has something unique, but not too powerful. Some races just have crappy passives that need to be changed or buffed. I play Argonian and I'm happy with the racials, but most people are not, which can be seen in participation number polls.
Nope, I wan't trying to be funny. Dead as a heart attack.Edited by joleda4ub17_ESO on January 17, 2016 10:42PM0 -
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✭I had an idea for an Argonian passive. This would require removing the swim speed bonus but would be way more useful in pvp.
I:Reptilian Grundle - After Tea-Bagging an enemy they cannot be resurrected and whenever you drink a potion you are restored 2% of your Max Health, Magicka, and Stamina
II:Reptilian Grundle - After Tea-Bagging an enemy they cannot be resurrected and whenever you drink a potion you are restored 5% of your Max Health, Magicka, and Stamina
III:Reptilian Grundle - After Tea-Bagging an enemy they cannot be resurrected and whenever you drink a potion you are restored 8% of your Max Health, Magicka, and Stamina
"Our taint/grundle will blot out the sun"! Random Argonian zerglingEdited by Dr_Ganknstein on January 17, 2016 11:14PM4 -
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✭Darkonflare15 wrote: »Shader_Shibes wrote: »strikeback1247 wrote: »joleda4ub17_ESO wrote: »IMHO, the racial passives are pretty lame. The game is centered around the idea that any class can do any role. A player can redo his or her entire archetype, except for the race. It just turns out, that the choice of race during character creation is one of the most important choices. One bad choice affects your effectiveness and fun.
IMHO, a better concept of racial passives would be to remove any % based passives and, instead, give a set amount equivalent to 1/2/3 attribute points. For example, a racial passive that improves max magicka only raises it by 111/222/333 for spending 1/2/3 attribute points. This theme would not be lore breaking. Some races would always be considered "better" magic users for having 333 more magicka.
Races are not THAT inportant. It's only important if you're a minmaxer. You can do everything in the game with every race on every class. I'm pretty happy with the racial system right now. However, I do agree that argonian passives are shite. That swimspeed OP tho :^)
Of course you are happy with the racial system, you are a Khajiit stam NB.
With a fubar Carnage passive.
Yeah agree. The Khajiiti do not even have their defining passive working right now.
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WhelmSoul ShrivenIt is less about the actual impact of the passives at this point than the implied level of facility with the game and ability to play at a certain level. The choice of Argonian says to many that you are not knowledgeable about the game or are more concerned about your tail than your ability to help the group or questions your ability to 'not stand in fire'. Min-max comments aside it happens in general gameplay. (I think that is a ludicrous position but it happens, sometimes just as an aside, but it is there)
Some might say "You shouldn't play with those people anyway", "Find a good group", or even "Everything isn't about dps/combat ability, etc." or even "I do great as an Argonian so I can completely ignore the basic mathetical inequality".
The stigma still exists though and there is no reason it shouldn't be fixed. Minor passives adjustments would wipe it away.
I agree that the passives differences are ultimately not that meaningful and fun trumps all but that isn't the argument here imo.
There is room for roleplaying, room for playing 'suboptimally', room for playing at a very high level with a lizard tail but it doesn't change the community belief (seen more in the forums perhaps) that Argonians are lesser even if you are at 23rd level and the actual differences are inconsequential or even if the Argonian is clearly the superior player with superior gear and a superior build.1 -
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✭strikeback1247 wrote: »
The system is fine right now (...) Some races just have crappy passives that need to be changed or buffed.
Then is isn't really fine is? You're basically contradicting yourself here. If two races (Nords and Argonians) are clearly worse than the other racials then they need to be changed/buffed as you say, and that is the same as saying it isn't fine.
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I'd like to have an Argonian but the racial passives have always made me pass on Argonian when I created my characters.
Its like on the ESO Wiki racial page http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Races all the other races strengths are like "Magicka Builds", "Stamina Builds and Stealth", "Tanking", "Flame Damage"...but Argonians are listed with a strength of "Potion Consumption". Yay! Argonians drink potions better than any other race on the planet!"Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters." – Albert Einstein
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✭✭At least your passives work.
Signed,
Every Khajiit in ESO
At least your passives are not capped at PVP and you don't have to wait 45 secs or find a puddle to make it work
Sincerely, every Argonian outta there.Sarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
I was born with the wrong sign
In the wrong house
With the wrong ascendancy
I took the wrong road
That led to the wrong tendencies
I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
For the wrong reason and the wrong rhyme
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Xvorg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It is less about the actual impact of the passives at this point than the implied level of facility with the game and ability to play at a certain level. The choice of Argonian says to many that you are not knowledgeable about the game or are more concerned about your tail than your ability to help the group or questions your ability to 'not stand in fire'. Min-max comments aside it happens in general gameplay. (I think that is a ludicrous position but it happens, sometimes just as an aside, but it is there)
Some might say "You shouldn't play with those people anyway", "Find a good group", or even "Everything isn't about dps/combat ability, etc." or even "I do great as an Argonian so I can completely ignore the basic mathetical inequality".
The stigma still exists though and there is no reason it shouldn't be fixed. Minor passives adjustments would wipe it away.
I agree that the passives differences are ultimately not that meaningful and fun trumps all but that isn't the argument here imo.
There is room for roleplaying, room for playing 'suboptimally', room for playing at a very high level with a lizard tail but it doesn't change the community belief (seen more in the forums perhaps) that Argonians are lesser even if you are at 23rd level and the actual differences are inconsequential or even if the Argonian is clearly the superior player with superior gear and a superior build.
at 30K magicka a 10% extra magicka = 3K = nearly 300 SP
In Cyrodil, our wonderful 10% extra healing becomes a 5% extra healing
I have a VR 16 Argonian sap tank... I dream about getting more than 35K magicka with buffs
But, hey, I've got a tail!Edited by Xvorg on January 19, 2016 2:10AMSarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
I was born with the wrong sign
In the wrong house
With the wrong ascendancy
I took the wrong road
That led to the wrong tendencies
I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
For the wrong reason and the wrong rhyme
On the wrong day of the wrong week
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Yes, I do hear this phrase a lot. It's OK though..... by the time I was 6 years old, I got used to hearing disappointment in people's voices when they addressed meEdited by deleted220701-004865 on January 19, 2016 3:09PM2
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✭strikeback1247 wrote: »
The system is fine right now (...) Some races just have crappy passives that need to be changed or buffed.
Then is isn't really fine is? You're basically contradicting yourself here. If two races (Nords and Argonians) are clearly worse than the other racials then they need to be changed/buffed as you say, and that is the same as saying it isn't fine.
The system in general is fine the way it works rights now. Each race has passives that fit with their lore. So no need to completely overhaul the racial system as some have suggested. However, some races should get a buff.
They should definitely give argonians MOAR swimspeed
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WhelmSoul Shrivenat 30K magicka a 10% extra magicka = 3K = nearly 300 SP
In Cyrodil, our wonderful 10% extra healing becomes a 5% extra healing
I have a VR 16 Argonian sap tank... I dream about getting more than 35K magicka with buffs
But, hey, I've got a tail!
Well, the math is the math. I get that and I believe I touched upon that in the post.
I was saying that in a tongue in cheek manner.
I meant that the crux of the thread was that although your Argonian can do all the content (obviously as you are VR16) and won't be a real detriment to any party the stigma is great enough to cause people to look down upon you for your choice.
Not many deny that a racial passives overhaul is needed
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✭strikeback1247 wrote: »joleda4ub17_ESO wrote: »IMHO, the racial passives are pretty lame. The game is centered around the idea that any class can do any role. A player can redo his or her entire archetype, except for the race. It just turns out, that the choice of race during character creation is one of the most important choices. One bad choice affects your effectiveness and fun.
IMHO, a better concept of racial passives would be to remove any % based passives and, instead, give a set amount equivalent to 1/2/3 attribute points. For example, a racial passive that improves max magicka only raises it by 111/222/333 for spending 1/2/3 attribute points. This theme would not be lore breaking. Some races would always be considered "better" magic users for having 333 more magicka.
Races are not THAT inportant. It's only important if you're a minmaxer. You can do everything in the game with every race on every class. I'm pretty happy with the racial system right now. However, I do agree that argonian passives are shite. That swimspeed OP tho :^)
Clearly you don't PvP it's nearly all min/maxers so that inbalance is a lot more visible. Every race should be great at one thing and good at a few others.
A complete list of feasible Argonian builds are as followed.
1) Tanks that chain chug potions that fight Poison Archers and Werewolves near lakes.
2) see 1)At least your passives work.
Signed,
Every Khajiit in ESO
Making your passive work is easier then remaking Argonian passives and far more likely.Chaos Shadow-Scale: Shadow Archer
Chaos Death-Scale: Shadow Knight
Tanks-With-Sap-Essence: Dark Mage
Dark Brotherhood Listener: Blade of Argonia
Chaos Dragon-Scale: Draconic Shield Master
Chaos Light-Scale: Marsh Paladin
Chaos Lightning-Scale: Daedric Master
Hurricane Chaos: Storm Archer
Bask-In-My-Light: Warrior of The Light
Forged-In-Dragon-Fire: Pyro Mage
Guardian of The Hist: Light Mender
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Jumper45✭✭✭You mean you dont want to be an awesome shadow scale when bother hood releases? lol
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Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons! Do you know who I am? I'm the man whose gonna burn your house down - with the lemons!” (Portal 2)
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Junkogen✭✭✭✭✭On this MLK Day, it's important to remember ESO's own struggling minority: Argonians.
I have a dream that one day Argonians will be able to walk hand-in-hand with other races as equals. Racial inequality exists in Tamriel. Let's change it.3 -
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✭✭at 30K magicka a 10% extra magicka = 3K = nearly 300 SP
In Cyrodil, our wonderful 10% extra healing becomes a 5% extra healing
I have a VR 16 Argonian sap tank... I dream about getting more than 35K magicka with buffs
But, hey, I've got a tail!
Well, the math is the math. I get that and I believe I touched upon that in the post.
I was saying that in a tongue in cheek manner.
I meant that the crux of the thread was that although your Argonian can do all the content (obviously as you are VR16) and won't be a real detriment to any party the stigma is great enough to cause people to look down upon you for your choice.
Not many deny that a racial passives overhaul is needed
Nope, despite he's a great char, I'm not going to try trials or such. He's really underpowered
When the guy next to you puts 15K dmg and your burst dmg gets difficulty over 16 K you realize the difference between races.
Regarding content... Cadwell's gold and Silver are no real content.
If you want to try an argonian, get a VR 11 one ad try to kill a mob in craglorn. Then try it with another char, from a min-maxed race. Any difference?Sarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
I was born with the wrong sign
In the wrong house
With the wrong ascendancy
I took the wrong road
That led to the wrong tendencies
I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
For the wrong reason and the wrong rhyme
On the wrong day of the wrong week
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✭✭On this MLK Day, it's important to remember ESO's own struggling minority: Argonians.
I have a dream that one day Argonians will be able to walk hand-in-hand with other races as equals. Racial inequality exists in Tamriel. Let's change it.
I think ZOs is waiting for some oblivion gates to be opened in the Black Marsh just to realize how strong we are...
and that won't happen before... let me see, one thousand years.
http://www.esohead.com/books/694-unexpected-allies
great bookSarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
I was born with the wrong sign
In the wrong house
With the wrong ascendancy
I took the wrong road
That led to the wrong tendencies
I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
For the wrong reason and the wrong rhyme
On the wrong day of the wrong week
Used the wrong method with the wrong technique0 -
found1779✭✭✭Khajiit and argonians are treated like dirt compared to the other races this one thinks
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Helvius Inebriato - Imperial Dragonknight, Ebonheart Pact
Belladonna Faleri - Imperial Sorcerer, Aldmeri Dominion
Drinks-under-tables - Argonian Templar, Daggerfall Covenant
Koh'rona gra-Beerchugger - Orc Nightblade, Daggerfall Covenant
The Beerwench - Nord Warden, Ebonheart Pact
Ican Hazbeer - Khajiit Sorcerer, Ebonheart Pact
Yukan Hazbeer - Khajiit Nightblade, Ebonheart Pact
Mama'Emeritus - Dunmer Dragonknight, Ebonheart Pact
Mama'Meretrix - Dunmer Sorcerer, Ebonheart Pact
Mama'Ignitus - Dunmer Templar, Ebonheart Pact
Mama'Obscurus - Dunmer Nightblade, Ebonheart Pact
Faeliinyth - Bosmer Warden, Ebonheart Pact
Byress Ginerva - Breton Warden, Ebonheart Pact
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