Champion points in Non-Vet PvP

Voxicity · January 2016

Praeficere wrote: »

CP is being removed from non-vet in the Thieves' Guild patch

Incorrect. In the latest ESOlive it was stated that they will convert one of the current 30 day campaigns into a non-cp campaign. Blackwater is 5 days, therefore it won't be the one converted.

Edit: Apparently I was incorrect and they will indeed remove CP from BWB. Oh well, at least I got 2 Insightfuls for a wrong comment.

sadownik · January 2016

Vox wrote: »

Praeficere wrote: »

CP is being removed from non-vet in the Thieves' Guild patch

Incorrect. In the latest ESOlive it was stated that they will convert one of the current 30 day campaigns into a non-cp campaign. Blackwater is 7 days, therefore it won't be the one converted.

THen its absolute incompetence on Z. side. Introducing system like cs and allowing it in non - vet (starter) campaign is simply unbelievable.

attackjet · January 2016

Ya it really isn't smart at all. New players will not have fun in PvP and will be quick to leave the game in its entirety because it is a player versus player game.

Yes people do like the non PvP but in an mmorpg you just cannot have one without the other. People are going to start in PvP say "wow this is way too challenging and unfair" and never want to play again

I mean its called Non-Vet because vet players should not have an advantage in it by being a vet!!

Alucardo · January 2016

Johngo0036 wrote: »

Even worse is when you know this guy has 380 cp's(coz i asked him) and then he wants to duel....

I just laughed at him and told him to reset all CP to 0 and then we can duel.

Duel him, win, then /shovel

laksikus · January 2016

so much crap said in that thread.

Vox wrote: »

Praeficere wrote: »

CP is being removed from non-vet in the Thieves' Guild patch

Incorrect. In the latest ESOlive it was stated that they will convert one of the current 30 day campaigns into a non-cp campaign. Blackwater is 5 days, therefore it won't be the one converted.

first of all, it was said in december Eso live already that CP get removed from nonvet. in last Eso live Brian talked about vet camps.

second: its not 30% vet players. its probably close to 80% vet players that sulk around in bwb. just ask in zone sometimes when youa lliance has 3 bars how many people dont have a vet char.

third: CP isnt the problem, gear and experience is.

Yes i have CP, yes i use them on my nonvet char. On my mag NB, and yes i kill people easy. Funny fact: i dont have any points in thaumaturge at all. all my blue CP are in Blessed for a reason. and that doesnt really help me in fights.
my green points in mag regen? screw them. what is 20% more magicka? without them i would be at 2000 regen instead of 2400, and i could STILL permacloak aroun. (im not even using any potions atm so i would just have to use them at cooldown to be fine)

My gear? GREEN seducer and torugs: oh yes, seducer needs 9 traits. oh wait it needs 3 traits...
You bet i use Divine/Infused on all my gear? wrong i use training so i dont get any bonus stats...
I use purple glyphs? wrong again i use white glyphs bought from AP, cos lowlevel runes are a pain to get.

The only good thing i have equipped is Syrabane rings and a purple staff. syrabane rings are like 200g each and purple is like 500g...

I wiped people with lvl 10 and i wipe them now at 38. I kill average v16 everyday.

Do CP make a big difference? hell no... some weeks ago i disabled my CP for some duels after I killed some reds alone at ales and they asked about a duel. (and i still came out on top, cos i know my build in and out)

If you want to cry about anything, then cry about experience, cos that is what kills you.

Rune_Relic · January 2016

laksikus wrote: »

so much crap said in that thread.

Vox wrote: »

Praeficere wrote: »

CP is being removed from non-vet in the Thieves' Guild patch

Incorrect. In the latest ESOlive it was stated that they will convert one of the current 30 day campaigns into a non-cp campaign. Blackwater is 5 days, therefore it won't be the one converted.

first of all, it was said in december Eso live already that CP get removed from nonvet. in last Eso live Brian talked about vet camps.

second: its not 30% vet players. its probably close to 80% vet players that sulk around in bwb. just ask in zone sometimes when youa lliance has 3 bars how many people dont have a vet char.

third: CP isnt the problem, gear and experience is.

Yes i have CP, yes i use them on my nonvet char. On my mag NB, and yes i kill people easy. Funny fact: i dont have any points in thaumaturge at all. all my blue CP are in Blessed for a reason. and that doesnt really help me in fights.
my green points in mag regen? screw them. what is 20% more magicka? without them i would be at 2000 regen instead of 2400, and i could STILL permacloak aroun. (im not even using any potions atm so i would just have to use them at cooldown to be fine)

My gear? GREEN seducer and torugs: oh yes, seducer needs 9 traits. oh wait it needs 3 traits...
You bet i use Divine/Infused on all my gear? wrong i use training so i dont get any bonus stats...
I use purple glyphs? wrong again i use white glyphs bought from AP, cos lowlevel runes are a pain to get.

The only good thing i have equipped is Syrabane rings and a purple staff. syrabane rings are like 200g each and purple is like 500g...

I wiped people with lvl 10 and i wipe them now at 38. I kill average v16 everyday.

Do CP make a big difference? hell no... some weeks ago i disabled my CP for some duels after I killed some reds alone at ales and they asked about a duel. (and i still came out on top, cos i know my build in and out)

If you want to cry about anything, then cry about experience, cos that is what kills you.

Well if CP don't make a difference...we don't need them anyway.
So ZOS can remove them.

laksikus · January 2016

Rune_Relic wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

so much crap said in that thread.

Vox wrote: »

Praeficere wrote: »

CP is being removed from non-vet in the Thieves' Guild patch

Incorrect. In the latest ESOlive it was stated that they will convert one of the current 30 day campaigns into a non-cp campaign. Blackwater is 5 days, therefore it won't be the one converted.

first of all, it was said in december Eso live already that CP get removed from nonvet. in last Eso live Brian talked about vet camps.

second: its not 30% vet players. its probably close to 80% vet players that sulk around in bwb. just ask in zone sometimes when youa lliance has 3 bars how many people dont have a vet char.

third: CP isnt the problem, gear and experience is.

Yes i have CP, yes i use them on my nonvet char. On my mag NB, and yes i kill people easy. Funny fact: i dont have any points in thaumaturge at all. all my blue CP are in Blessed for a reason. and that doesnt really help me in fights.
my green points in mag regen? screw them. what is 20% more magicka? without them i would be at 2000 regen instead of 2400, and i could STILL permacloak aroun. (im not even using any potions atm so i would just have to use them at cooldown to be fine)

My gear? GREEN seducer and torugs: oh yes, seducer needs 9 traits. oh wait it needs 3 traits...
You bet i use Divine/Infused on all my gear? wrong i use training so i dont get any bonus stats...
I use purple glyphs? wrong again i use white glyphs bought from AP, cos lowlevel runes are a pain to get.

The only good thing i have equipped is Syrabane rings and a purple staff. syrabane rings are like 200g each and purple is like 500g...

I wiped people with lvl 10 and i wipe them now at 38. I kill average v16 everyday.

Do CP make a big difference? hell no... some weeks ago i disabled my CP for some duels after I killed some reds alone at ales and they asked about a duel. (and i still came out on top, cos i know my build in and out)

If you want to cry about anything, then cry about experience, cos that is what kills you.

Well if CP don't make a difference...we don't need them anyway.
So ZOS can remove them.

yes. remove them from bwb.
Noobs will still get rekt by experienced players.

Voxicity · January 2016

laksikus wrote: »

so much crap said in that thread.

Vox wrote: »

Praeficere wrote: »

CP is being removed from non-vet in the Thieves' Guild patch

Incorrect. In the latest ESOlive it was stated that they will convert one of the current 30 day campaigns into a non-cp campaign. Blackwater is 5 days, therefore it won't be the one converted.

first of all, it was said in december Eso live already that CP get removed from nonvet. in last Eso live Brian talked about vet camps.

second: its not 30% vet players. its probably close to 80% vet players that sulk around in bwb. just ask in zone sometimes when youa lliance has 3 bars how many people dont have a vet char.

third: CP isnt the problem, gear and experience is.

Yes i have CP, yes i use them on my nonvet char. On my mag NB, and yes i kill people easy. Funny fact: i dont have any points in thaumaturge at all. all my blue CP are in Blessed for a reason. and that doesnt really help me in fights.
my green points in mag regen? screw them. what is 20% more magicka? without them i would be at 2000 regen instead of 2400, and i could STILL permacloak aroun. (im not even using any potions atm so i would just have to use them at cooldown to be fine)

My gear? GREEN seducer and torugs: oh yes, seducer needs 9 traits. oh wait it needs 3 traits...
You bet i use Divine/Infused on all my gear? wrong i use training so i dont get any bonus stats...
I use purple glyphs? wrong again i use white glyphs bought from AP, cos lowlevel runes are a pain to get.

The only good thing i have equipped is Syrabane rings and a purple staff. syrabane rings are like 200g each and purple is like 500g...

I wiped people with lvl 10 and i wipe them now at 38. I kill average v16 everyday.

Do CP make a big difference? hell no... some weeks ago i disabled my CP for some duels after I killed some reds alone at ales and they asked about a duel. (and i still came out on top, cos i know my build in and out)

If you want to cry about anything, then cry about experience, cos that is what kills you.

I would be worried if you weren't killing people easily using a magicka NB lol.

Asking in zone chat gives no real indication of anything. Some players won't see it, some won't care, some will lie. Unless you have access to the statistics dont just put random numbers out there.

Also I don't understand how you can say that gear is the problem not CP, when you proclaim to kill people 'easily' in average gear but with CP. Wut?

And on the subject of CP how much do you actually have?

All in all your comment just looks like an excuse to flaunt your feathers and brag about this and that. And do you remember what date that ESOlive was? I must have missed it being away from my PC.

laksikus · January 2016

did you even read what i wrote? i DONT have points in thaumaturge.

do you knwo what blesses cp does? it doesnt up your damage^^ it ups my healing (for repairing walls)
so i have the same damage bonus as people without cp. (and i get a stronger healing form ward but hey, the one of the rare occasions i have to use ward is when 5 different people try to punch me)

AND gear IS the problem, ever seen a lvl 15 with gold gear? i have, he posted his gear proud in zone^^
and if you read my post I said that experience is the final facter whenit comes to pvp

but as I said, i wipe people with green gear, without bonus damage, so all that differs me to you is that i know what i do.
(and i wipe people as mag dk too so you dont have an excuse there) (even newbs can get the same gear easy, everythign else comes with exp)

why do i kill newbs with green gear? cos i *** have 10months pvp experience. experience matters above all. if you think CP >> gear >> exp you have it totally wrong

and im not throwing in random numbers. there ARE more regular rerolling bwb players then frsh players
you just have to take a look at their passives and pvp rank. btw: many regular bwb players agree with that number...

vamp and ww before lvl 30? vet player
veteran rank before 30? vet player (as newbs normally dont have the same ap/xp ratio as pure pvpers)
fancy armor styles? vet
you get crit by an enemy? you can see if he is vet

Voxicity · January 2016

laksikus wrote: »

do you knwo what blesses cp does? it doesnt up your damage^^ it ups my healing (for repairing walls)
so i have the same damage bonus as people without cp. (and i get a stronger healing form ward but hey, the one of the rare occasions i have to use ward is when 5 different people try to punch me)

lol. So you do have CP. No one mentioned damage anyway. More heal power makes you much stronger and more survivable.

laksikus wrote: »

but as I said, i wipe people with green gear, without bonus damage, so all that differs me to you is that i know what i do.
(and i wipe people as mag dk too so you dont have an excuse there) (even newbs can get the same gear easy, everythign else comes with exp)

Actually I have never made any complaint about this campaign or CP in it, and I don't play on BWB any more. So what differs me to you is that I don't even play there lol or care for it.

laksikus wrote: »

why do i kill newbs with green gear? cos i *** have 10months pvp experience. experience matters above all. if you think CP >> gear >> exp you have it totally wrong

I *** agree with you mate. Absolutely *** agree with you fella.

laksikus wrote: »

and im not throwing in random numbers. there ARE more regular rerolling bwb players then frsh players

Well you kind of are... 30% and 80%... I don't see where those numbers come from.

laksikus wrote: »

you just have to take a look at their passives and pvp rank. btw: many regular bwb players agree with that number...

How does pvp rank determine in any way if a player has an alt vet character? lol. You can earn ap by just following a group around with no CP in basic gear. Means nothing.

laksikus wrote: »

vamp and ww before lvl 30? vet player

At around level 20 when I first started playing I was bitten by my brother and became werewolf, so... no.

laksikus wrote: »

veteran rank before 30? vet player (as newbs normally dont have the same ap/xp ratio as pure pvpers)

Also no. Before I hit vet rank on my main I had a Sorc in BWB with Alliance rank 13 and he's like level 42. And I do the kill quests so one could get that rank at even lower level.

laksikus wrote: »

fancy armor styles? vet

Lol?

But yeah I agree with you Experience > Gear > CP

Praeficere · January 2016

Vox wrote: »

Incorrect. In the latest ESOlive it was stated that they will convert one of the current 30 day campaigns into a non-cp campaign. Blackwater is 5 days, therefore it won't be the one converted.

I didn't watch the latest ESO Live but is that on the topic of which of the current open campaigns they will convert?
In one of the ESO Live episodes running up to the end of the year, they stated that non-veteran will have CP disabled alongside the conversion of a current open campaign.

Voxicity · January 2016

Praeficere wrote: »

Vox wrote: »

Incorrect. In the latest ESOlive it was stated that they will convert one of the current 30 day campaigns into a non-cp campaign. Blackwater is 5 days, therefore it won't be the one converted.

I didn't watch the latest ESO Live but is that on the topic of which of the current open campaigns they will convert?
In one of the ESO Live episodes running up to the end of the year, they stated that non-veteran will have CP disabled alongside the conversion of a current open campaign.

Thank you. I must have missed the episode where they said they're going to remove CP from BWB.

Robbmrp · January 2016

attackjet wrote: »

Champion points in non-vet PvP completely removes the point of non vet PvP. I go into the non-vet PvP thinking

"oh hey, I'm level 41, I will have a good time and be able to hold my ground and kill a lot of people.

this is compltetly false

If you go into non vet PvP as a low level, there is almost no point and you honestly shouldn't if you don't want to ruin the PvP for yourself. There lvl 10's every where that use this cp stuff off of there vr 16 to get high percentage rates on certain things like spell damage.

So if I go in the game with no cp boost's persae and I have a weapon that does 600 damage regularly, it gets boosted to 1000. But with the percentage system, if someone goes in with a weapon that does 140 damage and gets boosted to a 1000 and has a percentage of 20% more weapon damage, the level 10's weapone is now doing 1200 damage.

makes no sense to me zos please take cp out of non vet PvP. Veteran rank players should not have an advantage in it

@ZOS is going to be adding NO CP Campaigns hopefully with the Thieves guild DLC. It should be a base game patch so you wouldn't have to buy it to get it. I can't wait for a NO CP Campaign. Right now CP is such a huge game changer, even if your only 150 points down. That 150, is another 50 points for each Constellation and if all put in the same skill, 3 different areas with a 12.5% difference. If your talking about doing damage, or mitigating it, that's a big difference and can easily tip the scales in the other persons favor.

Praeficere · January 2016

Robbmrp wrote: »

@ZOS is going to be adding NO CP Campaigns hopefully with the Thieves guild DLC. It should be a base game patch so you wouldn't have to buy it to get it. I can't wait for a NO CP Campaign. Right now CP is such a huge game changer, even if your only 150 points down. That 150, is another 50 points for each Constellation and if all put in the same skill, 3 different areas with a 12.5% difference. If your talking about doing damage, or mitigating it, that's a big difference and can easily tip the scales in the other persons favor.

CP also increase your attributes, I think it's 11 Magicka/Blue CP, 12 Stamina/Green CP and 13 Health/Red CP.

LunchBoxChewy · January 2016

I've come to the conclusion that 95% of the ESO playerbase are entitled little babies.. this is why ZOS should never have gone the buy to play model and stuck with the pay to play subscription model.

Lenikus · January 2016

But... I want to keep having an advantage ._."

flguy147ub17_ESO · January 2016

One problem is it will deter new players from keep playing. New players need to have a positive experience right out of the box or they will move in. This is just human nature. Which in the end hurts the game population. I think non-vet PVP should be more equal and i have dont understand why a player's level 20 character should have any CP. CP is just a form of leveling and that character did nothing to deserve those CP. That is no different then if i level a character to 50 in woodworking then all my characters get 50 in woodworking. Those other characters did nothing to deserve that or might as well make it so when i level 1 character to max level then all my characters get max level. I have never played a MMO that raising the stats and leveling up one character does that to my other characters. Personally i think its a horrible game design.

sirrmattus · January 2016

This is the main reason I suggest group caps in Cyrodill.

How can a new player have a good experience in non vet PVP when as soon as you step out the castle 20 noobs are crit rushing you.

The only groups available require TS, and you to play 'their way'. STACK ON CROWN!!!

I'm a solo player, I wish there were group caps. THEN, maybe they could remove AOE CAPS!

Lenikus · January 2016

sirrmattus wrote: »

I wish there were group caps. THEN, maybe they could remove AOE CAPS!

Even if they add 'group cap' to like 8 individuals, they can just have a guild log in 40 people and they get into 5 groups of max size and walk around together. Problem with that?

sirrmattus · January 2016

Lenikus wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

I wish there were group caps. THEN, maybe they could remove AOE CAPS!

Even if they add 'group cap' to like 8 individuals, they can just have a guild log in 40 people and they get into 5 groups of max size and walk around together. Problem with that?

I think 8man cap is fine. No i wouldnt have a problem with it because one group of 8 wont have arrow icons on the other 32 men. So they would lose the BIG group organization.

leem1988 · January 2016

When is the Thieves Guild DLC coming out?

Alcast · January 2016

attackjet wrote: »

Champion points in non-vet PvP completely removes the point of non vet PvP. I go into the non-vet PvP thinking

"oh hey, I'm level 41, I will have a good time and be able to hold my ground and kill a lot of people.

this is compltetly false

If you go into non vet PvP as a low level, there is almost no point and you honestly shouldn't if you don't want to ruin the PvP for yourself. There lvl 10's every where that use this cp stuff off of there vr 16 to get high percentage rates on certain things like spell damage.

So if I go in the game with no cp boost's persae and I have a weapon that does 600 damage regularly, it gets boosted to 1000. But with the percentage system, if someone goes in with a weapon that does 140 damage and gets boosted to a 1000 and has a percentage of 20% more weapon damage, the level 10's weapone is now doing 1200 damage.

makes no sense to me zos please take cp out of non vet PvP. Veteran rank players should not have an advantage in it

I noticed that too.

Next patch they will create a NO CP campaign which will be nice for new players