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Lag Benefits Stamina Players, Buff Light Armor temporarily
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Lenikus✭✭✭✭✭My internet sux.
My computer sux.
I only ever have 'lag' when i'm in or around 2 zergs that are clashing.
If you are not in or around 2 zergs that are clashing, any 'lag' or 'freeze' you suffer is on your side.
Try that 'change 1095something' into '100000000' someone suggested a while ago.... Mai cave. >:30 -
Asmodean✭✭✭This to me, is a classic example of self-concerned thinking.
Nobody benefits from lag. Not only does it mechanically hinder. But it's also just simply annoying, and frustrating.0 -
sirrmattus✭✭✭✭✭CavalierPrime wrote: »If you honestly believe Destructive Reach is worth a bar slot on ANY pvp build, that's probably why you're dying
Alcast has used it in his frost dk build. I slotted it on my flame staff and the spell is fine. It knocks someone down, and before they can get back up, I finish them with animation cancelled Force Pulse spam. Has claimed hundreds of lives. Has knocked people off keep walls to their death, and I get screenshots with 4k Flame Reach and 23k Fall Dmg and a "lol you got me" message.
Point remains, lag in azuras is preventing me from switching to my Resto, to the point I now only ride my horse with my Resto out.
you act like alcast is some hero..Ebonheart Pact - North American Server
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CavalierPrime✭✭✭✭My internet sux.
My computer sux.
I only ever have 'lag' when i'm in or around 2 zergs that are clashing.
If you are not in or around 2 zergs that are clashing, any 'lag' or 'freeze' you suffer is on your side.
Try that 'change 1095something' into '100000000' someone suggested a while ago.
Not in ps4 NA azuras which is the best system, best server, best campaign so thats the premier pvp spot.
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Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭CavalierPrime wrote: »If you honestly believe Destructive Reach is worth a bar slot on ANY pvp build, that's probably why you're dying
Alcast has used it in his frost dk build. I slotted it on my flame staff and the spell is fine. It knocks someone down, and before they can get back up, I finish them with animation cancelled Force Pulse spam. Has claimed hundreds of lives. Has knocked people off keep walls to their death, and I get screenshots with 4k Flame Reach and 23k Fall Dmg and a "lol you got me" message.
Point remains, lag in azuras is preventing me from switching to my Resto, to the point I now only ride my horse with my Resto out.
Absolutely not. Reach doesn't work on anyone using a shield, if you believe that something Alcast did for a specific Niche build to proc winterborn set is indicative of a good pvp setup you're clearly out of touch with reality and should spend some time learning about game mechanics.
Sounds like you think you should slot a skill to only kill terrible players, if you've got room in your 10 skill slots for that then you're sacrificing something actually useful against good players.
I still feel like you're dying because you're not building to fight good players so you find one and die, which explains your success against scrubs but not well build playersEdited by Lexxypwns on January 18, 2016 8:59PM0 -
Lenikus✭✭✭✭✭
Aaaaand i'm out of here.CavalierPrime wrote: »My internet sux.
My computer sux.
I only ever have 'lag' when i'm in or around 2 zergs that are clashing.
If you are not in or around 2 zergs that are clashing, any 'lag' or 'freeze' you suffer is on your side.
Try that 'change 1095something' into '100000000' someone suggested a while ago.
Not in ps4 NA azuras which is the best system, best server, best campaign so thats the premier pvp spot.... Mai cave. >:30 -
CavalierPrime✭✭✭✭CavalierPrime wrote: »If you honestly believe Destructive Reach is worth a bar slot on ANY pvp build, that's probably why you're dying
Alcast has used it in his frost dk build. I slotted it on my flame staff and the spell is fine. It knocks someone down, and before they can get back up, I finish them with animation cancelled Force Pulse spam. Has claimed hundreds of lives. Has knocked people off keep walls to their death, and I get screenshots with 4k Flame Reach and 23k Fall Dmg and a "lol you got me" message.
Point remains, lag in azuras is preventing me from switching to my Resto, to the point I now only ride my horse with my Resto out.
Absolutely not. Reach doesn't work on anyone using a shield, if you believe that something Alcast did for a specific Niche build to proc winterborn set is indicative of a good pvp setup you're clearly out of touch with reality and should spend some time learning about game mechanics
This thread is about lag causing magicka builds to die from not being able to switch bars, not the merits of one spell on one bar of one guys build. Besides, if the spell sucks, there are hundreds of people out there who should be ashamed for dying to such a junk spell from a lazy mag DK.
Also I cant tell you how many times I've been in a zerg vs zerg fight and its stagnant, or starting to move against us, and I strafe and spam Reach and popcorn like 8 people and the tide turns and we win the battle. 10-15 times? More?Edited by CavalierPrime on January 18, 2016 9:01PM0 -
Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭CavalierPrime wrote: »CavalierPrime wrote: »If you honestly believe Destructive Reach is worth a bar slot on ANY pvp build, that's probably why you're dying
Alcast has used it in his frost dk build. I slotted it on my flame staff and the spell is fine. It knocks someone down, and before they can get back up, I finish them with animation cancelled Force Pulse spam. Has claimed hundreds of lives. Has knocked people off keep walls to their death, and I get screenshots with 4k Flame Reach and 23k Fall Dmg and a "lol you got me" message.
Point remains, lag in azuras is preventing me from switching to my Resto, to the point I now only ride my horse with my Resto out.
Absolutely not. Reach doesn't work on anyone using a shield, if you believe that something Alcast did for a specific Niche build to proc winterborn set is indicative of a good pvp setup you're clearly out of touch with reality and should spend some time learning about game mechanics
This thread is about lag causing magicka builds to die from not being able to switch bars, not the merits of one spell on one bar of one guys build. Besides, if the spell sucks, there are hundreds of people out there who should be ashamed for dying to such a junk spell from a lazy mag DK.
The lag is a straw man and doesn't benefit any specific setup. My sorc and my NB both run offense/defense bars with healing ward on their off bar, so its not like I don't understand what you're saying.
All I'm saying is, excuses are the nails in the house of failure. You can complain about lag unfairly punishing your class, or you could just understand lag sucks for everyone and not try to be opportunistic and try to get a buff for your class (ALL MY ACTIVE CHARACTERS USE LIGHT ARMOR) when you should probably be focused on fine tuning your build if you want to be better, as opposed to some complete BS crutch to make up for your poor positioning, situational awareness, and reflexes
EDIT: Its ok if you die sometimes, no matter how OP or good you fashion yourself to be, looking for excuses is really just sad though, just choose revive location and move on
Edited by Lexxypwns on January 18, 2016 9:05PM2 -
CavalierPrime✭✭✭✭CavalierPrime wrote: »CavalierPrime wrote: »If you honestly believe Destructive Reach is worth a bar slot on ANY pvp build, that's probably why you're dying
Alcast has used it in his frost dk build. I slotted it on my flame staff and the spell is fine. It knocks someone down, and before they can get back up, I finish them with animation cancelled Force Pulse spam. Has claimed hundreds of lives. Has knocked people off keep walls to their death, and I get screenshots with 4k Flame Reach and 23k Fall Dmg and a "lol you got me" message.
Point remains, lag in azuras is preventing me from switching to my Resto, to the point I now only ride my horse with my Resto out.
Absolutely not. Reach doesn't work on anyone using a shield, if you believe that something Alcast did for a specific Niche build to proc winterborn set is indicative of a good pvp setup you're clearly out of touch with reality and should spend some time learning about game mechanics
This thread is about lag causing magicka builds to die from not being able to switch bars, not the merits of one spell on one bar of one guys build. Besides, if the spell sucks, there are hundreds of people out there who should be ashamed for dying to such a junk spell from a lazy mag DK.
The lag is a straw man and doesn't benefit any specific setup. My sorc and my NB both run offense/defense bars with healing ward on their off bar, so its not like I don't understand what you're saying.
All I'm saying is, excuses are the nails in the house of failure. You can complain about lag unfairly punishing your class, or you could just understand lag sucks for everyone and not try to be opportunistic and try to get a buff for your class (ALL MY ACTIVE CHARACTERS USE LIGHT ARMOR) when you should probably be focused on fine tuning your build if you want to be better, as opposed to some complete BS crutch to make up for your poor positioning, situational awareness, and reflexes
No ma'am, im talking about shank builds that are able to kill you as the lag prevents you from defending yourself. Thats it and thats all. Notorious levels of lag are making light armor worse in my opinion. You disagree. Cool beans.
Edit: lol at censor of a five letter word starting with S and normally used to refer to a prison stabbing. Lol oh my.Edited by CavalierPrime on January 18, 2016 9:07PM0 -
sirrmattus✭✭✭✭✭CavalierPrime wrote: »CavalierPrime wrote: »CavalierPrime wrote: »If you honestly believe Destructive Reach is worth a bar slot on ANY pvp build, that's probably why you're dying
Alcast has used it in his frost dk build. I slotted it on my flame staff and the spell is fine. It knocks someone down, and before they can get back up, I finish them with animation cancelled Force Pulse spam. Has claimed hundreds of lives. Has knocked people off keep walls to their death, and I get screenshots with 4k Flame Reach and 23k Fall Dmg and a "lol you got me" message.
Point remains, lag in azuras is preventing me from switching to my Resto, to the point I now only ride my horse with my Resto out.
Absolutely not. Reach doesn't work on anyone using a shield, if you believe that something Alcast did for a specific Niche build to proc winterborn set is indicative of a good pvp setup you're clearly out of touch with reality and should spend some time learning about game mechanics
This thread is about lag causing magicka builds to die from not being able to switch bars, not the merits of one spell on one bar of one guys build. Besides, if the spell sucks, there are hundreds of people out there who should be ashamed for dying to such a junk spell from a lazy mag DK.
The lag is a straw man and doesn't benefit any specific setup. My sorc and my NB both run offense/defense bars with healing ward on their off bar, so its not like I don't understand what you're saying.
All I'm saying is, excuses are the nails in the house of failure. You can complain about lag unfairly punishing your class, or you could just understand lag sucks for everyone and not try to be opportunistic and try to get a buff for your class (ALL MY ACTIVE CHARACTERS USE LIGHT ARMOR) when you should probably be focused on fine tuning your build if you want to be better, as opposed to some complete BS crutch to make up for your poor positioning, situational awareness, and reflexes
No ma'am, im talking about shank builds that are able to kill you as the lag prevents you from defending yourself. Thats it and thats all. Notorious levels of lag are making light armor worse in my opinion. You disagree. Cool beans.
u mean to tell me you lag but they dont?Ebonheart Pact - North American Server
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CavalierPrime✭✭✭✭sirrmattus wrote: »CavalierPrime wrote: »CavalierPrime wrote: »CavalierPrime wrote: »If you honestly believe Destructive Reach is worth a bar slot on ANY pvp build, that's probably why you're dying
Alcast has used it in his frost dk build. I slotted it on my flame staff and the spell is fine. It knocks someone down, and before they can get back up, I finish them with animation cancelled Force Pulse spam. Has claimed hundreds of lives. Has knocked people off keep walls to their death, and I get screenshots with 4k Flame Reach and 23k Fall Dmg and a "lol you got me" message.
Point remains, lag in azuras is preventing me from switching to my Resto, to the point I now only ride my horse with my Resto out.
Absolutely not. Reach doesn't work on anyone using a shield, if you believe that something Alcast did for a specific Niche build to proc winterborn set is indicative of a good pvp setup you're clearly out of touch with reality and should spend some time learning about game mechanics
This thread is about lag causing magicka builds to die from not being able to switch bars, not the merits of one spell on one bar of one guys build. Besides, if the spell sucks, there are hundreds of people out there who should be ashamed for dying to such a junk spell from a lazy mag DK.
The lag is a straw man and doesn't benefit any specific setup. My sorc and my NB both run offense/defense bars with healing ward on their off bar, so its not like I don't understand what you're saying.
All I'm saying is, excuses are the nails in the house of failure. You can complain about lag unfairly punishing your class, or you could just understand lag sucks for everyone and not try to be opportunistic and try to get a buff for your class (ALL MY ACTIVE CHARACTERS USE LIGHT ARMOR) when you should probably be focused on fine tuning your build if you want to be better, as opposed to some complete BS crutch to make up for your poor positioning, situational awareness, and reflexes
No ma'am, im talking about shank builds that are able to kill you as the lag prevents you from defending yourself. Thats it and thats all. Notorious levels of lag are making light armor worse in my opinion. You disagree. Cool beans.
u mean to tell me you lag but they dont?
The lag allows them to go "ambush->ambush->ambush" or "wb-> wb->wb" but wont let me switch bars. Strange huh?
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Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭CavalierPrime wrote: »sirrmattus wrote: »CavalierPrime wrote: »CavalierPrime wrote: »CavalierPrime wrote: »If you honestly believe Destructive Reach is worth a bar slot on ANY pvp build, that's probably why you're dying
Alcast has used it in his frost dk build. I slotted it on my flame staff and the spell is fine. It knocks someone down, and before they can get back up, I finish them with animation cancelled Force Pulse spam. Has claimed hundreds of lives. Has knocked people off keep walls to their death, and I get screenshots with 4k Flame Reach and 23k Fall Dmg and a "lol you got me" message.
Point remains, lag in azuras is preventing me from switching to my Resto, to the point I now only ride my horse with my Resto out.
Absolutely not. Reach doesn't work on anyone using a shield, if you believe that something Alcast did for a specific Niche build to proc winterborn set is indicative of a good pvp setup you're clearly out of touch with reality and should spend some time learning about game mechanics
This thread is about lag causing magicka builds to die from not being able to switch bars, not the merits of one spell on one bar of one guys build. Besides, if the spell sucks, there are hundreds of people out there who should be ashamed for dying to such a junk spell from a lazy mag DK.
The lag is a straw man and doesn't benefit any specific setup. My sorc and my NB both run offense/defense bars with healing ward on their off bar, so its not like I don't understand what you're saying.
All I'm saying is, excuses are the nails in the house of failure. You can complain about lag unfairly punishing your class, or you could just understand lag sucks for everyone and not try to be opportunistic and try to get a buff for your class (ALL MY ACTIVE CHARACTERS USE LIGHT ARMOR) when you should probably be focused on fine tuning your build if you want to be better, as opposed to some complete BS crutch to make up for your poor positioning, situational awareness, and reflexes
No ma'am, im talking about shank builds that are able to kill you as the lag prevents you from defending yourself. Thats it and thats all. Notorious levels of lag are making light armor worse in my opinion. You disagree. Cool beans.
u mean to tell me you lag but they dont?
The lag allows them to go "ambush->ambush->ambush" or "wb-> wb->wb" but wont let me switch bars. Strange huh?
TBH, if lag makes you unable to switch bars it wouldn't matter if they were just light attacking you right? Wouldn't matter if they were stam or mag?
You seem to misunderstand me, lag hurts all of us, basically all the time, but its a facade that stam builds benefit from it more.3 -
strikeback1247✭✭✭✭✭
✭CavalierPrime wrote: »sirrmattus wrote: »CavalierPrime wrote: »CavalierPrime wrote: »CavalierPrime wrote: »If you honestly believe Destructive Reach is worth a bar slot on ANY pvp build, that's probably why you're dying
Alcast has used it in his frost dk build. I slotted it on my flame staff and the spell is fine. It knocks someone down, and before they can get back up, I finish them with animation cancelled Force Pulse spam. Has claimed hundreds of lives. Has knocked people off keep walls to their death, and I get screenshots with 4k Flame Reach and 23k Fall Dmg and a "lol you got me" message.
Point remains, lag in azuras is preventing me from switching to my Resto, to the point I now only ride my horse with my Resto out.
Absolutely not. Reach doesn't work on anyone using a shield, if you believe that something Alcast did for a specific Niche build to proc winterborn set is indicative of a good pvp setup you're clearly out of touch with reality and should spend some time learning about game mechanics
This thread is about lag causing magicka builds to die from not being able to switch bars, not the merits of one spell on one bar of one guys build. Besides, if the spell sucks, there are hundreds of people out there who should be ashamed for dying to such a junk spell from a lazy mag DK.
The lag is a straw man and doesn't benefit any specific setup. My sorc and my NB both run offense/defense bars with healing ward on their off bar, so its not like I don't understand what you're saying.
All I'm saying is, excuses are the nails in the house of failure. You can complain about lag unfairly punishing your class, or you could just understand lag sucks for everyone and not try to be opportunistic and try to get a buff for your class (ALL MY ACTIVE CHARACTERS USE LIGHT ARMOR) when you should probably be focused on fine tuning your build if you want to be better, as opposed to some complete BS crutch to make up for your poor positioning, situational awareness, and reflexes
No ma'am, im talking about shank builds that are able to kill you as the lag prevents you from defending yourself. Thats it and thats all. Notorious levels of lag are making light armor worse in my opinion. You disagree. Cool beans.
u mean to tell me you lag but they dont?
The lag allows them to go "ambush->ambush->ambush" or "wb-> wb->wb" but wont let me switch bars. Strange huh?
Sooo... You mean to say that people that aren't using LA, aren't being ambush/WB spammed during lag?
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FriedEggSandwich✭✭✭✭✭
✭Decayed_Inside wrote: »sirrmattus wrote: »
XD
Armor/Spellresist does not apply on shields, so this wouldn't change anything.
Plus when a shield is about to drop you take any remaining damage unmitigated.
This used to be true, but they fixed it. Overflow damage now respects your mitigation.
OP: there are other ways to tank up than asking for a light armour buff. Wear a couple of pieces of heavy. Do DKs have access to major resolve/ward? I'd be surprised if they didn't.PC | EU0 -
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✭CrowsDescend wrote: »I know right... the amount of times I've tried to quickly bar swap to heal and failed due to lag... well, I've lost count actually. I might have to stick BoL on my main bar lmao
I'm running BoL on main bar in both PvP + vMA
It screws your burst for sure, but adds like 500% survivability since you wont die every time weap swap *** up.
One heal- or shield on any characters main bar, that's mandatory or rip. There's no way around it, bad performance kills you to much otherwise. Just play one evening and count how many times weap swap fails and you pop some wrong and totally inappropriate skill(who the hell has time to sit around and check if it actually swaps?).
So impressed with these theorycrafted builds showing of with like THE designated "buff/heal bar" and pure "dps bar" and the author claim it works so well for him. How?!Did he or she actually try it out with slide-show and 12 fps? Must have some overlord anti-lag skills.0 -
CavalierPrime✭✭✭✭FriedEggSandwich wrote: »Decayed_Inside wrote: »sirrmattus wrote: »
XD
Armor/Spellresist does not apply on shields, so this wouldn't change anything.
Plus when a shield is about to drop you take any remaining damage unmitigated.
This used to be true, but they fixed it. Overflow damage now respects your mitigation.
OP: there are other ways to tank up than asking for a light armour buff. Wear a couple of pieces of heavy. Do DKs have access to major resolve/ward? I'd be surprised if they didn't.
I wear 5/1/1 with the undaunted passives maxed. I usually have 22k spell, 10k physical. The volatile armor spell takes me to like 28k spell, 16k physical but once again, it would be a back bar spell, and not something I would have active on a stroll down the road. I can't just become a tank, then I can't hit hard af with my staff. Im not even complaining about my characters tankiness. Hes perfect without the lag. When I get mag det I reckon ill be hitting with even more potency.
Edited by CavalierPrime on January 18, 2016 9:20PM0 -
FriedEggSandwich✭✭✭✭✭
✭CavalierPrime wrote: »FriedEggSandwich wrote: »Decayed_Inside wrote: »sirrmattus wrote: »
XD
Armor/Spellresist does not apply on shields, so this wouldn't change anything.
Plus when a shield is about to drop you take any remaining damage unmitigated.
This used to be true, but they fixed it. Overflow damage now respects your mitigation.
OP: there are other ways to tank up than asking for a light armour buff. Wear a couple of pieces of heavy. Do DKs have access to major resolve/ward? I'd be surprised if they didn't.
I wear 5/1/1 with the undaunted passives maxed. I usually have 22k spell, 10k physical. The volatile armor spell takes me to like 28k spell, 16k physical but once again, it would be a back bar spell, and not something I would have active on a stroll down the road. I can't just become a tank, then I can't hit hard af with my staff. Im not even complaining about my characters tankiness. Hes perfect without the lag. When I get mag det I reckon ill be hitting with even more potency.
As a magicka sorc I also keep my ward, heals and armor buff on my back bar. I have experienced not being able to bar swap when I needed due to lag, but have never for a moment thought that a fix could include buffing light armour. Medium doesn't offer a great deal more mitigation than light, so whatever issues you have in lag also affect some stamina builds too. Asking for the lag to be fixed makes more sense, because if light armour was buffed to compensate for lag then magicka buikds would be overly tanky when there was no lag.PC | EU1 -
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✭I won't speak to the OP's specific issue since there are some things he can do on his end to improve the situation...
However, it's clear to me that, due to lag and the inability to reliably swap bars, this game rewards players who can make an effective 1-bar build, and furthermore it rewards players for being passive (passive mitigation, passive resource regen, long duration self buffs, preemptive shielding, etc).
This really shouldn't be the case, but whenever the ping gets above 500ms you're going to see the lazy builds excel, and you're going to see the builds with a higher skill cap suffer. Which is sad.
I just wish we could have access to all 12 of our abilities at once, without having to weapon swap. We can't though, because consoles....Really we do it without like, the musical instruments. This is the only musical: the mouth. And hopefully the brain attached to the mouth. Right? The brain, more important than the mouth, is the brain. The brain is much more important.1 -
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✭✭✭✭CavalierPrime wrote: »One question... why not put your heal on your main bar?
It's a resto skill.
But OP, keep in mind stam users may have a heal on their back bar. Also, they have to try and connect melee moves in that lag.
I much prefer being on my sorc when it's laggy. Just sit back and cast. Trying to weave Ransack on my stamplar or land wrecking blows on stam Sorc when I'm fighting in treacle is a lot worse.
Eh, nobody is really standing up to my combination of damage and self-healing. Ever since I started eating detection pots like candy, NB can't hang, Templars have no offense, and most DK are stamina so theyre just Nightblades with no cloak. Sorcerers can't get through my Scales and absurd spell resist because as a Breton DK I get SR passives from being both. 1v1 with a sorc can take 5-10 minutes though, until he slips up on his rotation.
Well good for you. Glad to see you're the number one player. Not sure why you quoted me with some bragging. It had nothing to do with my point.1