Orsinium (Any Idea of When i Should Tackle this Area?)

dominic.iraceb14_ESO · January 2016

Does the "Battle Leveling" affect the enemies or just my character??

I went to Orsinium when i was at Level 30 and found it way too difficult.. Standard wolves had so much HP that it was very time consuming to finish them off.. and if there was 2 or more wolves.. they destroyed me!

Now that i'm a VR1 character, i figured i would complete this area before starting "Cadwell's Silver" quest line. Well.. I found it even more frustrating... as standard wolves were around 31,000 HP and too difficult to beat solo if there were 2 or more..

Do you think as i level my character, Orsinium will be easier? Should i come back after i complete the silver and/or gold quest lines?

deleted008293 · January 2016

vr14+ if u re not a fan of grinding

starlizard70ub17_ESO · January 2016

vr16 and be a maxed out sorcerer.

Autolycus · January 2016

When you go to Wrothgar you experience "battle leveling" which effectively boosts all of your stats to be relatievely comparable to that of a vr16 player. You may have known this already, but it's important to note for new players. The fact that virtually anybody can go there at any point is what makes Wrothgar so appealing to many people, especially new players.

It's very likely that the issue you experience with enemies being too difficult is just a lack of experience. I mean no offense by this, it simply appears that you are a relatively new player, and as such there are going to be certain things you don't know yet. Taking on multiple enemies at once, whether or not they are wolves or bosses, is going to have a learning curve to it.

You can start by making sure you're wearing gear of the appropriate level, and that provides stats that benefit your playstyle. You don't want to have enchantments on your gear that boost your max magicka if you are a stamina build. If you like, you can find someone who will craft you sets that will drastically improve your odds of survival.

If your gear needs to be reworked, I suggest starting here and then finding someone to make it for you. It's quite common for crafters to be willing to help out new players, so don't be afraid to ask.

Be wary of any enemy that has a yellow or red visual cue around them. Yellow cues are heavy attacks and should be blocked. Red cues are an interruptable skill that should be interrupted or dodged. Any red outline on the ground is also harmful, and should be avoided altogether, or if it's placed on your character, you should move.

Apologies if this was too entry-level for you, but I am hoping that it helps.

Enodoc · January 2016

Enemies in Wrothgar are always VR16. Battle levelling brings you up to the equivalent of about VR15 so that you have a chance at doing the content. I've seen posts before of people saying they have done content in Wrothgar at Level 10, so based on that I don't think there can be a recommended time to do it. The higher your level though, the more skills you will have to choose from, so that is always a bonus.

sirrmattus · January 2016

Autolycus wrote: »

When you go to Wrothgar you experience "battle leveling" which effectively boosts all of your stats to be relatievely comparable to that of a vr16 player. You may have known this already, but it's important to note for new players. The fact that virtually anybody can go there at any point is what makes Wrothgar so appealing to many people, especially new players.

It's very likely that the issue you experience with enemies being too difficult is just a lack of experience. I mean no offense by this, it simply appears that you are a relatively new player, and as such there are going to be certain things you don't know yet. Taking on multiple enemies at once, whether or not they are wolves or bosses, is going to have a learning curve to it.

You can start by making sure you're wearing gear of the appropriate level, and that provides stats that benefit your playstyle. You don't want to have enchantments on your gear that boost your max magicka if you are a stamina build. If you like, you can find someone who will craft you sets that will drastically improve your odds of survival.

If your gear needs to be reworked, I suggest starting here and then finding someone to make it for you. It's quite common for crafters to be willing to help out new players, so don't be afraid to ask.

Be wary of any enemy that has a yellow or red visual cue around them. Yellow cues are heavy attacks and should be blocked. Red cues are an interruptable skill that should be interrupted or dodged. Any red outline on the ground is also harmful, and should be avoided altogether, or if it's placed on your character, you should move.

Apologies if this was too entry-level for you, but I am hoping that it helps.

the problem with this; new players dont hav access to hunding, seducer, etc.. or 501 cp

Alucardo · January 2016

I started at level 3 on a magicka dk. Finished the main quest at level 23 with dropped gear and a crappy mundus stone xD

Also managed to solo Old Orsinium and get the Malacath trophy at level 14.

Autolycus · January 2016

sirrmattus wrote: »

the problem with this; new players dont hav access to hunding, seducer, etc.. or 501 cp

I was solo questing back before the very existence of CP, when going solo against three mobs was guaranteed suicide. If the OP follows my instructions and finds a crafter, he/she will have access to those sets, so your point is mute.

And for the record, if I can beat vMA, I can solo entry-level zones naked. Just sayin.

My advice is good and fair. He/she will definitely benefit from my suggestions.

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Resipsa131 · January 2016

sirrmattus wrote: »

the problem with this; new players dont hav access to hunding, seducer, etc.. or 501 cp

You don't need any of this to cruise Orsinium

sirrmattus · January 2016

you need to be at least lvl 10. at least.

sirrmattus · January 2016

Autolycus wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

the problem with this; new players dont hav access to hunding, seducer, etc.. or 501 cp

I was solo questing back before the very existence of CP, when going solo against three mobs was guaranteed suicide. If the OP follows my instructions and finds a crafter, he/she will have access to those sets, so your point is mute.

And for the record, if I can beat vMA, I can solo entry-level zones naked. Just sayin.

My advice is good and fair. He/she will definitely benefit from my suggestions.

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leepalmer95 · January 2016

I always level my alt in orsinium first, i've leveled 2 character by starting at level 3.

It's easy just don't drag 10+ mobs and expect to kill them.

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krees28b14_ESO · January 2016

sirrmattus wrote: »

you need to be at least lvl 10. at least.

Sounds like someone who was not in the game on opening day when no one had any of those sets as researching took people months to finish a piece. When veteran levels were actually vet levels. The mobs were extremely hard to kill solo in packs of 3 or more. Vet level mobs have been nerfed drastically and now that people do have access to the crafted gear through friends, purchase or guildies yes they can go to Wrothgar at the earliest levels even without champ points. Not saying it would not be hard but coming by gear is not hard for a new player.

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Asmodean · January 2016

I figuired it would be a good idea to wait until VR 1 at least. So I'd have the main leveling story completed before tackling the DLC areas.

Might also make the VR levels more interesting. Dunno, maybe it's just me.

Autolycus · January 2016

krees28b14_ESO wrote: »

Sounds like someone who was not in the game on opening day when no one had any of those sets as researching took people months to finish a piece. When veteran levels were actually vet levels. The mobs were extremely hard to kill solo in packs of 3 or more. Vet level mobs have been nerfed drastically and now that people do have access to the crafted gear through friends, purchase or guildies yes they can go to Wrothgar at the earliest levels even without champ points. Not saying it would not be hard but coming by gear is not hard for a new player.

^ yes, this.

@sirrmattus
If you think it's hard to kill stuff now, you should've played at launch. Casually running around the zones doing quests was all fine and dandy until you got to Cadwell's silver & gold, and then it took a serious turn. No exaggerations here: taking on 3 enemies was suicide, no matter what role. You literally had to take someone with you to survive normal trash.

None of us had learned any of our gear in the beginning, there was no such thing as champion points. Our mounts were all just as slow as yours is, and some of us are so bad at feeding them, we still haven't maxed them out. You know how the main story quests for the Prophet are all solo-exclusive? There was a point in time where those fights were so hard, you couldn't even complete one quest let alone make it to Coldharbour. I could list dozens of things that were near impossible on day one, but that's not the point.

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Alucardo · January 2016

sirrmattus wrote: »

you need to be at least lvl 10. at least.

That's just not true. Like I said, I started at level 3 the second I got out of the wailing prison. Was tired of the same old quests so figured I'd run through Orsinium instead on a new character

sirrmattus · January 2016

im telling this guy who is asking that i just created a toon. went there at lvl 3 with pick up gear. and couldnt kill anyting. im trying to help him. and yall are selling false hope.

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Molag_Crow · January 2016

It really depends because for example, my Sorc went to Orsinium at lvl 16 and I farmed public dungeons on my own with him until lvl 30. I did die a few times until I used Lightning form and kited mobs/crystal frag-healed my way through bosses, etc. The quests? they're not that hard, but again it depends on what kind of abilities you're using..

Acrolas · January 2016

Go to Wrothgar after you max your armor/weapons crafts and after you learn how to *** empty a chest you've picked.

Autolycus · January 2016

sirrmattus wrote: »

im telling this guy who is asking that i just created a toon. went there at lvl 3 with pick up gear. and couldnt kill anyting. im trying to help him. and yall are selling false hope.

The only reason I come onto these forums is to help new players. On occasion I will learn something from another long-term player that I find to be very insightful or helpful to me, but generally speaking, I already know this stuff because I've been playing since day one.

I would not come onto these forums and feed nonsense to new players. That does nothing to benefit the community. New and casual players are paying customers too, and they have a place in our community. I've decided personally that I would rather help those players succeed than to see them in the exact situation you described here.

There is nothing about my initial suggestions to the OP that is untruthful or anything but constructive feedback. You absolutely can benefit from what I suggested, and if you stopped for a just a moment and thought of something that got you killed in Wrothgar, I guarantee I can find at least 1 suggestion to help you live. That's why I come here.

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dominic.iraceb14_ESO · January 2016

If i understand correctly, ... If all players regardless of current level (ex.. lvl 30 vs VR1) all get boosted to the same VR16 stats, there were is the competitive edge? Doesn't the Battle leveling "add" to my existing stats of my current level?

If i do the same DPS at Level VR1 vs. VR10, then i'm going to be struggling with those wolves no matter what level i visit Wrothgar in!

Autolycus wrote: »

When you go to Wrothgar you experience "battle leveling" which effectively boosts all of your stats to be relatievely comparable to that of a vr16 player. You may have known this already, but it's important to note for new players. The fact that virtually anybody can go there at any point is what makes Wrothgar so appealing to many people, especially new players.

It's very likely that the issue you experience with enemies being too difficult is just a lack of experience. I mean no offense by this, it simply appears that you are a relatively new player, and as such there are going to be certain things you don't know yet. Taking on multiple enemies at once, whether or not they are wolves or bosses, is going to have a learning curve to it.

You can start by making sure you're wearing gear of the appropriate level, and that provides stats that benefit your playstyle. You don't want to have enchantments on your gear that boost your max magicka if you are a stamina build. If you like, you can find someone who will craft you sets that will drastically improve your odds of survival.

If your gear needs to be reworked, I suggest starting here and then finding someone to make it for you. It's quite common for crafters to be willing to help out new players, so don't be afraid to ask.

Be wary of any enemy that has a yellow or red visual cue around them. Yellow cues are heavy attacks and should be blocked. Red cues are an interruptable skill that should be interrupted or dodged. Any red outline on the ground is also harmful, and should be avoided altogether, or if it's placed on your character, you should move.

Apologies if this was too entry-level for you, but I am hoping that it helps.

LBC_Demon · January 2016

Haha many people have created a new toon and gone out to Wrothgar and been fine.

I started going there at level 20 and my build was all over the place. I was a healer with medium gear and a bow. I was splitting my gear between stamina and Magicka at the time so I was not proficient in either.

It was still super easy to kill mobs. I have many guild members that go straight to Wrothgar when they make Alts. One leveled from 3-44 in Wrothgar.

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dominic.iraceb14_ESO · January 2016

Well.. I can't be the only one having trouble.. i found many posts about this. But if it was simple as stating (Cruise Wrothgar only AFTER i complete Cadwells Silver and Gold, to insure you are around VR10, it would make sense.. I just don't want to go to Wrothgar at VR10 and find that i battle leveled to the same stats as if i was back at level 30!

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LBC_Demon · January 2016

OP if you are having trouble still then you have serious problems with your character. I am level 35 and it's easy for me to go out there.

Autolycus · January 2016

dominic.iraceb14_ESO wrote: »

If i understand correctly, ... If all players regardless of current level (ex.. lvl 30 vs VR1) all get boosted to the same VR16 stats, there were is the competitive edge? Doesn't the Battle leveling "add" to my existing stats of my current level?

If i do the same DPS at Level VR1 vs. VR10, then i'm going to be struggling with those wolves no matter what level i visit Wrothgar in!

Yes, you have it right to some extent. The battle leveling is an extension of the stats that you currently have, just amplified (for lack of a better term) to be more realistic relative to the vr16 next to you. There are a handful of reasons why you won't be identical to that same vr16 character, but mostly it's going to come from your gear and your CP.

The part that you can control is your gear, so if you find that it's not up to par, then I strongly encourage finding someone who can craft you some decent sets. When I level new characters, I typically just use the enchants that you can find off of mobs, in containers, etc. Without having access to a lot of CP, the quality of your gear will be more important, i.e. upgrade it to green or blue quality. The quality of your gear will impact your base stats (magicka, stamina, crit, weapon/spell damage, etc.) and thus will be much higher when you battle level, because it's going to amplify those stats.

Battle leveling tends to bias towards health I've noticed (someone can confirm, or deny if I'm wrong) so even if you're wearing the exact same sets, same enchants, same quality, same class, etc. you're likely still going to a bigger bump to your health than your other stats. What I have noticed in my testing is that the base stats, such as max magicka, stamina, and health are going to scale much more effectively than other stats, like crit % and spell/weapon damage, although they will be reasonably close.

When you're leveling, these differences are going to minuscule, moreso in PvE than PvP, so don't worry about totally optimizing it until you level up. For now, just focus on putting your points into the right stats, and try to wear at least one full set (5 pieces). This will put you on the right track statistically. The rest is about learning the mobs, the mechanics, etc.

dominic.iraceb14_ESO · January 2016

I'm not having trouble at all.. I blew passed the Ebonheart Pact and Coldharbour with no problem. i was always a few levels ahead of the recommending requirements and i finished Coldharbour at VR1 (60% to VR2). Only when i went to Wrothgar, me and another player trying to kill an area boss and they wiped us both out!

Additionally, i usually use the wolves to fill my "Grand Soul Gems" and i noticed that there HP was 31,000, while i was in Coldharbour, the standard Enemies where around 11,000 HP.. I was able to kill 3-4 mobs with no problem.. in Wrothgar, a mob of 2 gives me stress.. I find myself tip-toeing around trying not to disturb anybody..

LBC_Demon wrote: »

OP if you are having trouble still then you have serious problems with your character. I am level 35 and it's easy for me to go out there.

sirrmattus · January 2016

dominic.iraceb14_ESO wrote: »

I'm not having trouble at all.. I blew passed the Ebonheart Pact and Coldharbour with no problem. i was always a few levels ahead of the recommending requirements and i finished Coldharbour at VR1 (60% to VR2). Only when i went to Wrothgar, me and another player trying to kill an area boss and they wiped us both out!

Additionally, i usually use the wolves to fill my "Grand Soul Gems" and i noticed that there HP was 31,000, while i was in Coldharbour, the standard Enemies where around 11,000 HP.. I was able to kill 3-4 mobs with no problem.. in Wrothgar, a mob of 2 gives me stress.. I find myself tip-toeing around trying not to disturb anybody..

LBC_Demon wrote: »

OP if you are having trouble still then you have serious problems with your character. I am level 35 and it's easy for me to go out there.

the bosses are meant for big groups

LBC_Demon · January 2016

This is what I'm saying though. You being 2 levels above everything else boosted your health to make up for your poor build. Now you are one level below the mobs and your build is showing its weakness.

The battle leveling boosts you to VR15 and the mobs are VR16.

What kind of armor do you have on? Light, medium, heavy? What class are you and what kind of weapon are you using? What role are you specializing in.

Mojmir · January 2016

Nerf orsinium lol

Mason22 · January 2016

I beat Worthgar main story line on a Templar. I started Wrothgar at level 7 and finished at level 16 doing only a few dungeon runs in between. It was easy except for the final battle which was only moderately difficult.

Enodoc · January 2016

Mason22 wrote: »

I beat Worthgar main story line on a Templar. I started Wrothgar at level 7 and finished at level 16 doing only a few dungeon runs in between. It was easy except for the final battle which was only moderately difficult.

@Mason22 What was your gear setup? (ie; sets, quality, L/M/H weighting)