Perma-blocking still here. How do I get around it? (Video)

DannyLV702 · January 2016

Not sure if I just wasn't applying enough pressure to drain his stamina or not. I'm surprised at how someone with very minimal stamina regen was able to block for over a minute. Maybe I'm at fault here, but I don't know. Any tips on how I can overcome this would be appreciated. The permablocking begins at the 50 second mark after the first two die. Thanks in advance!

http://youtu.be/yO0zQR2eFZk

caeliusstarbreaker · January 2016

Apply more burst... Drop an atro on his head

Jade1986 · January 2016

DannyLV702 wrote: »

Not sure if I just wasn't applying enough pressure to drain his stamina or not. I'm surprised at how someone with very minimal stamina regen was able to block for over a minute. Maybe I'm at fault here, but I don't know. Any tips on how I can overcome this would be appreciated. The permablocking begins at the 50 second mark after the first two die. Thanks in advance!

http://youtu.be/yO0zQR2eFZk

All I got out of that was how *** ridiculous OP sorc shields are. As a magicka dk you would have been dead 20 times over....

If they have 30 k stam they can block for a good minute. If block gets nerfed anymore, we might as well get pizzas in our hands.

Escorpiao_Noturno · January 2016

permablocking is my nickname

It's totaly normal.
It was just you hiting that guy. Easy for him.

You need to check my videos and them you will see permablocking

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ko8ngC-aT1c

eliisra · January 2016

DannyLV702 wrote: »

Not sure if I just wasn't applying enough pressure to drain his stamina or not. I'm surprised at how someone with very minimal stamina regen was able to block for over a minute. Maybe I'm at fault here, but I don't know. Any tips on how I can overcome this would be appreciated. The permablocking begins at the 50 second mark after the first two die. Thanks in advance!

http://youtu.be/yO0zQR2eFZk

Nerf sorc lol. But in all fairness, those opponents weren't the toughest guys in Cyrodiil.

That poor DK used his entire resource pool to keep himself up, barely staying alive. Unable to fight back or pressure the sorc(you) in any way. He wasn't even a block casting any dmg, not enough resources to pull it of. Instead he went full turtle mode against only one guy, jamming down block desperately waiting for help. He didn't even dare to revive attempt more than once, so scared of letting it go. Pretty sad sight.

Topic: Not sure what you can overcome there, like if a DK with over 30k stamina decides to only hold block and not use any resources on attacking, you have some work to do. You need a cc that goes through block every 7 second and keep nuking only, I mean it's not like you're in any danger of taking dmg.

Try re-rolling stamina NB. Than you can mash down anything, including perma-blockers, other shield stacking sorc's and fully specc'ed templar heal bots, no timing or exceptional skill required

Mac10murda · January 2016

That uppercut was eating his stam up lol

Kupoking · January 2016

I burn all their stamina basically. I havent seen anyone ''perma'' block me. Eventually block drops, they get CCed and cant break then its game over.

If I was nb I would fear every 4 seconds. Same with dk fossilize.

Oh and caltrops. Gotta love caltrops.

If that doesnt work. Well I dont know what to say.

ToRelax · January 2016

He tanked you for around 90 seconds. 1v1. That's really no feat, and you nearly killed him as well.

Master_Kas · January 2016

eliisra wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

Not sure if I just wasn't applying enough pressure to drain his stamina or not. I'm surprised at how someone with very minimal stamina regen was able to block for over a minute. Maybe I'm at fault here, but I don't know. Any tips on how I can overcome this would be appreciated. The permablocking begins at the 50 second mark after the first two die. Thanks in advance!

http://youtu.be/yO0zQR2eFZk

Nerf sorc lol. But in all fairness, those opponents weren't the toughest guys in Cyrodiil.

That poor DK used his entire resource pool to keep himself up, barely staying alive. Unable to fight back or pressure the sorc(you) in any way. He wasn't even a block casting any dmg, not enough resources to pull it of. Instead he went full turtle mode against only one guy, jamming down block desperately waiting for help. He didn't even dare to revive attempt more than once, so scared of letting it go. Pretty sad sight.

Topic: Not sure what you can overcome there, like if a DK with over 30k stamina decides to only hold block and not use any resources on attacking, you have some work to do. You need a cc that goes through block every 7 second and keep nuking only, I mean it's not like you're in any danger of taking dmg.

Try re-rolling stamina NB. Than you can mash down anything, including perma-blockers, other shield stacking sorc's and fully specc'ed templar heal bots, no timing or exceptional skill required

Face a skilled sorc as a skill-less nb and you'll see how wrong your statement is. Stamina NB isn't an I win button except vs plebs (or magicka dks poor things

)

FriedEggSandwich · January 2016

laced wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

Not sure if I just wasn't applying enough pressure to drain his stamina or not. I'm surprised at how someone with very minimal stamina regen was able to block for over a minute. Maybe I'm at fault here, but I don't know. Any tips on how I can overcome this would be appreciated. The permablocking begins at the 50 second mark after the first two die. Thanks in advance!

http://youtu.be/yO0zQR2eFZk

All I got out of that was how *** ridiculous OP sorc shields are. As a magicka dk you would have been dead 20 times over....

If they have 30 k stam they can block for a good minute. If block gets nerfed anymore, we might as well get pizzas in our hands.

But sorcs only have 1 shield. The players in the video were hardly doing any damage. They were also missing a lot. Pretty sure a good magicka dk could tank 3 players who struggle to even hit their target.

Witar · January 2016

You really should throw some caltrops on him. Just saying.

FriedEggSandwich · January 2016

Witar wrote: »

You really should throw some caltrops on him. Just saying.

Caltrops are a bad idea for a magicka build. 6k stamina cost from an 8-12k stamina pool with 600 regen = unable to break next fear/fossilize/etc.

Alucardo · January 2016

He got low there for a moment, dropping a soul strike probably would have finished him off, atronach would have helped a bit too.
I'm not too confused about the blocking. They were running S+B, most likely had all the block cost reduction passives and could have had the same in their CPs. DKs have pretty good stamina management as well.
What did confuse me is how they managed to spam dragon blood so much on a stam build.

lolo_01b16_ESO · January 2016

There are 2 different ways how to fight a perma blocker.
1. Time detonation and curse so they explode at the same time, streak through him right before they explode and finish him with frags + dawnbreaker while he breaks the stun
2. Drain his stamina with ccs that ignore block, roots, light attack weaving and fast ticking dots (pets would also be an option if you want to slot them)

ToRelax · January 2016

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

There are 2 different ways how to fight a perma blocker.
1. Time detonation and curse so they explode at the same time, streak through him right before they explode and finish him with frags + dawnbreaker while he breaks the stun
2. Drain his stamina with ccs that ignore block, roots, light attack weaving and fast ticking dots (pets would also be an option if you want to slot them)

Streak against a perma blocker who doesn't use reflect... ? If anything, Rune Cage, but that'd make any attempts to drain stamina futile.

Jade1986 · January 2016

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

laced wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

Not sure if I just wasn't applying enough pressure to drain his stamina or not. I'm surprised at how someone with very minimal stamina regen was able to block for over a minute. Maybe I'm at fault here, but I don't know. Any tips on how I can overcome this would be appreciated. The permablocking begins at the 50 second mark after the first two die. Thanks in advance!

http://youtu.be/yO0zQR2eFZk

All I got out of that was how *** ridiculous OP sorc shields are. As a magicka dk you would have been dead 20 times over....

If they have 30 k stam they can block for a good minute. If block gets nerfed anymore, we might as well get pizzas in our hands.

But sorcs only have 1 shield. The players in the video were hardly doing any damage. They were also missing a lot. Pretty sure a good magicka dk could tank 3 players who struggle to even hit their target.

That one shield is stronger than every other classes shield combined, it is too much, no matter what you say. Everyone knows it.

ToRelax · January 2016

laced wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

laced wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

Not sure if I just wasn't applying enough pressure to drain his stamina or not. I'm surprised at how someone with very minimal stamina regen was able to block for over a minute. Maybe I'm at fault here, but I don't know. Any tips on how I can overcome this would be appreciated. The permablocking begins at the 50 second mark after the first two die. Thanks in advance!

http://youtu.be/yO0zQR2eFZk

All I got out of that was how *** ridiculous OP sorc shields are. As a magicka dk you would have been dead 20 times over....

If they have 30 k stam they can block for a good minute. If block gets nerfed anymore, we might as well get pizzas in our hands.

But sorcs only have 1 shield. The players in the video were hardly doing any damage. They were also missing a lot. Pretty sure a good magicka dk could tank 3 players who struggle to even hit their target.

That one shield is stronger than every other classes shield combined, it is too much, no matter what you say. Everyone knows it.

Is that so? I highly doubt DK would be better off with Hardened Ward instead of Igneous Shield, the already weak magicka DK would gain some defense at the cost of healing and stamina management, for the stam DK it would be plain bad. But if you add Blazing Shield on top of Igneous, it's not even a contest.

Brrrofski · January 2016

Streak.

Just streak through blockers. Keep pressure on while they're cc immune. When it's gone, streak again. CC breaking will ruin their stam.

ToRelax · January 2016

What do you all find in Streak, that's low damage, low stam drain and slows you down... x)

Or, since you wrote cc breaking will cost stam, how is Streak more effective than just using Fragments at the end of cc immunity?

Destruent · January 2016

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

laced wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

Not sure if I just wasn't applying enough pressure to drain his stamina or not. I'm surprised at how someone with very minimal stamina regen was able to block for over a minute. Maybe I'm at fault here, but I don't know. Any tips on how I can overcome this would be appreciated. The permablocking begins at the 50 second mark after the first two die. Thanks in advance!

http://youtu.be/yO0zQR2eFZk

All I got out of that was how *** ridiculous OP sorc shields are. As a magicka dk you would have been dead 20 times over....

If they have 30 k stam they can block for a good minute. If block gets nerfed anymore, we might as well get pizzas in our hands.

But sorcs only have 1 shield. The players in the video were hardly doing any damage. They were also missing a lot. Pretty sure a good magicka dk could tank 3 players who struggle to even hit their target.

That's one more usefull shield than every other class has.

ToRelax wrote: »

laced wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

laced wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

Not sure if I just wasn't applying enough pressure to drain his stamina or not. I'm surprised at how someone with very minimal stamina regen was able to block for over a minute. Maybe I'm at fault here, but I don't know. Any tips on how I can overcome this would be appreciated. The permablocking begins at the 50 second mark after the first two die. Thanks in advance!

http://youtu.be/yO0zQR2eFZk

All I got out of that was how *** ridiculous OP sorc shields are. As a magicka dk you would have been dead 20 times over....

If they have 30 k stam they can block for a good minute. If block gets nerfed anymore, we might as well get pizzas in our hands.

But sorcs only have 1 shield. The players in the video were hardly doing any damage. They were also missing a lot. Pretty sure a good magicka dk could tank 3 players who struggle to even hit their target.

That one shield is stronger than every other classes shield combined, it is too much, no matter what you say. Everyone knows it.

Is that so? I highly doubt DK would be better off with Hardened Ward instead of Igneous Shield, the already weak magicka DK would gain some defense at the cost of healing and stamina management, for the stam DK it would be plain bad. But if you add Blazing Shield on top of Igneous, it's not even a contest.

Stam-DKs are already extremely strong in pvp...i think they don't need a shield.

@OP: You rly complain about permablockers? He completelybuild for blocking to get some defense and no offense. You build for offense and got one of the best defense ingame aswell....see the difference? If you can't kill him...just let him and kill another one...he won't kill you too.

Alcast · January 2016

Alucardo wrote: »

He got low there for a moment, dropping a soul strike probably would have finished him off, atronach would have helped a bit too.
I'm not too confused about the blocking. They were running S+B, most likely had all the block cost reduction passives and could have had the same in their CPs. DKs have pretty good stamina management as well.
What did confuse me is how they managed to spam dragon blood so much on a stam build.

He did only use Dragon Blood, no wings etc...so if you have a good build with 1,2k-1,5k mag rec you can Dragon blood a lot.

@DannyLV702 Also, if he is a redguard he gets 1k stamina for free every 3 seconds from Adrenaline Rush passive.

ToRelax · January 2016

Destruent wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

laced wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

laced wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

Not sure if I just wasn't applying enough pressure to drain his stamina or not. I'm surprised at how someone with very minimal stamina regen was able to block for over a minute. Maybe I'm at fault here, but I don't know. Any tips on how I can overcome this would be appreciated. The permablocking begins at the 50 second mark after the first two die. Thanks in advance!

http://youtu.be/yO0zQR2eFZk

All I got out of that was how *** ridiculous OP sorc shields are. As a magicka dk you would have been dead 20 times over....

If they have 30 k stam they can block for a good minute. If block gets nerfed anymore, we might as well get pizzas in our hands.

But sorcs only have 1 shield. The players in the video were hardly doing any damage. They were also missing a lot. Pretty sure a good magicka dk could tank 3 players who struggle to even hit their target.

That one shield is stronger than every other classes shield combined, it is too much, no matter what you say. Everyone knows it.

Is that so? I highly doubt DK would be better off with Hardened Ward instead of Igneous Shield, the already weak magicka DK would gain some defense at the cost of healing and stamina management, for the stam DK it would be plain bad. But if you add Blazing Shield on top of Igneous, it's not even a contest.

Stam-DKs are already extremely strong in pvp...i think they don't need a shield.

Well they are good but I wouldn't call them "extremely strong", simply because if they deal good damage, they sacrifice way more survivability for it than NBs, magicka Sorcs and magicka Templars, against multiple enemies that is. In 1v1, they are probably the strongest.
Also Igenous Shield is mostly cast for the healing buff and stamina return, with the shield as an extra benefit and to survive until the heal takes effect. Without this skill I think DKs would be pretty bad off.

contact.opiumb16_ESO · January 2016

Master_Kas wrote: »

eliisra wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

Not sure if I just wasn't applying enough pressure to drain his stamina or not. I'm surprised at how someone with very minimal stamina regen was able to block for over a minute. Maybe I'm at fault here, but I don't know. Any tips on how I can overcome this would be appreciated. The permablocking begins at the 50 second mark after the first two die. Thanks in advance!

http://youtu.be/yO0zQR2eFZk

Nerf sorc lol. But in all fairness, those opponents weren't the toughest guys in Cyrodiil.

That poor DK used his entire resource pool to keep himself up, barely staying alive. Unable to fight back or pressure the sorc(you) in any way. He wasn't even a block casting any dmg, not enough resources to pull it of. Instead he went full turtle mode against only one guy, jamming down block desperately waiting for help. He didn't even dare to revive attempt more than once, so scared of letting it go. Pretty sad sight.

Topic: Not sure what you can overcome there, like if a DK with over 30k stamina decides to only hold block and not use any resources on attacking, you have some work to do. You need a cc that goes through block every 7 second and keep nuking only, I mean it's not like you're in any danger of taking dmg.

Try re-rolling stamina NB. Than you can mash down anything, including perma-blockers, other shield stacking sorc's and fully specc'ed templar heal bots, no timing or exceptional skill required

Face a skilled sorc as a skill-less nb and you'll see how wrong your statement is. Stamina NB isn't an I win button except vs plebs (or magicka dks poor things )

lol ! any honnest guy who play with stam NB will LOL too

Kas · January 2016

on topic: yes, perma blocking is still here.
a stamina based DK in heavy armor, block cost enchants, possibly def stance and using earthen heart abilities + ultimate can block for ages (with enough magicka reg, e.g. from atronarch). that said, he wouldn't do much apart from that.

ofc, there is also the middle ground. If you want to avoid that an enemy (that is not 100% committed to perma block) blocks for ages when you solo face him, don't forget to weave your light attacks. i think you could have achieved almost twice as many hits as you did in the video.

Escorpiao_Noturno · January 2016

The only thing who can avoid perma blocking is NB FEAR.

WillhelmBlack · January 2016

He's a tank, they exist. Basically means he's built for survival. Sorcs can do this better tho and pump out 5 x the DPS. Stick with your Sorc!

WillhelmBlack · January 2016

Escorpiao_Noturno wrote: »

The only thing who can avoid perma blocking is NB FEAR.

and Templars with Luminous Shards and Sorcs with Burst.

Lucky28 · January 2016

laced wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

laced wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

Not sure if I just wasn't applying enough pressure to drain his stamina or not. I'm surprised at how someone with very minimal stamina regen was able to block for over a minute. Maybe I'm at fault here, but I don't know. Any tips on how I can overcome this would be appreciated. The permablocking begins at the 50 second mark after the first two die. Thanks in advance!

http://youtu.be/yO0zQR2eFZk

All I got out of that was how *** ridiculous OP sorc shields are. As a magicka dk you would have been dead 20 times over....

If they have 30 k stam they can block for a good minute. If block gets nerfed anymore, we might as well get pizzas in our hands.

But sorcs only have 1 shield. The players in the video were hardly doing any damage. They were also missing a lot. Pretty sure a good magicka dk could tank 3 players who struggle to even hit their target.

That one shield is stronger than every other classes shield combined, it is too much, no matter what you say. Everyone knows it.

Uh no it's not. only for those who don't do *** for damage would hardened ward be too much to handle.

Wreuntzylla · January 2016

OP trolled you all. Lol @ serious comments in response to that video.

Witar · January 2016

ToRelax wrote: »

Is that so? I highly doubt DK would be better off with Hardened Ward instead of Igneous Shield, the already weak magicka DK would gain some defense at the cost of healing and stamina management, for the stam DK it would be plain bad. But if you add Blazing Shield on top of Igneous, it's not even a contest.

Who the hell needs healing when you can have 12k-15k spammable shield in pvp?

Jade1986 · January 2016

ToRelax wrote: »

laced wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

laced wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

Not sure if I just wasn't applying enough pressure to drain his stamina or not. I'm surprised at how someone with very minimal stamina regen was able to block for over a minute. Maybe I'm at fault here, but I don't know. Any tips on how I can overcome this would be appreciated. The permablocking begins at the 50 second mark after the first two die. Thanks in advance!

http://youtu.be/yO0zQR2eFZk

All I got out of that was how *** ridiculous OP sorc shields are. As a magicka dk you would have been dead 20 times over....

If they have 30 k stam they can block for a good minute. If block gets nerfed anymore, we might as well get pizzas in our hands.

But sorcs only have 1 shield. The players in the video were hardly doing any damage. They were also missing a lot. Pretty sure a good magicka dk could tank 3 players who struggle to even hit their target.

That one shield is stronger than every other classes shield combined, it is too much, no matter what you say. Everyone knows it.

Is that so? I highly doubt DK would be better off with Hardened Ward instead of Igneous Shield, the already weak magicka DK would gain some defense at the cost of healing and stamina management, for the stam DK it would be plain bad. But if you add Blazing Shield on top of Igneous, it's not even a contest.

I am PRETTY sure ANY self respecting DK would trade their pitiful igneous shield for the sorcs outrageous double life bar.