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Please give fightersguild a major wep dmg buff like mages guild have in entropy.
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olsborg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Im sick of being reliant on 2h and rally to keep my weapondmg buff up at all times. (dont mention hidden blade because this duration is laughable and you cant keep it up at all times cause of lack of oponenents without reflect up)
Stamina sorcerer i just use critical surge for a weapon buff it last awhile plus dawnbreaker morph increases weapon damage also as long as it's slotted
Sadly im a NB so I dont have a class skill that lets me do this, atm im stuck with using 2h.There is already an ultimate (Flawless Dawnbreaker) which actually passively increases your damage with weapon attacks as far as I remember (as magicka sorc I chose the other morph, so I cannot recall what exactly the Flawless Dawnbreaker does).
Yea, but that still doesnt help me get the major wep dmg buff now does it.
you can use power extraction/sap essence...and yes, i know it has it's downsides, but it's the same with entropy.
Sadly that wont do much for me either as it requires a target in melee, and im using a bow 50% of the time. Rally is great, its not that, its the fact that you have to use 2h to have the buff up most of the time...wich I dont like.
You are aware, that everyone except sorcerers are sharing your problem??? It doesn't matter, wether you play magicka or stamina. Just accept that this is a sorcerer-only-thing.
sry, i can't take this serious...atleast you DO have a possibility to get your major buff without getting into combat/out of stealth.
And your point being? My point is: Id like to have an option to turn on major wep dmg buff without having to use 2h. If you disagree, thats fine, but that doesnt rly fix my issue now does it...
my point is, that everything has it's downsides^^
What about changing your build so you can use wep-dmg-potions? You have the possibility, but you refuse to use it.
Its not that I refuse to use it, this post is about the possibility to have this buff added to a fightersguild skill, wich I dont think should be a problem given that mages guild has it. This would give stamina users a wider array of weapon of choice. If you disagree, thats fine, but dont force your opinion on me.
And, as I said earlier, Flawless Dawnbreaker adds one of those, without chewing up your brutality slot (so if you can get that it stacks on top). It's a flat +8% weapon damage while slotted. Now, if you want a different ultimate slotted, you do lose that, but it's still a legitimate option.
Its a different passive, it adds 8% weapon dmg. Its still not major brutality.
Yes, that is literally exactly what I just said. It boosts damage from all stamina based powers (and itself for that matter) passively while slotted. As opposed to Mage's Guild where you can get major Sorcery for 20 seconds on use.
So, if you have Flawless Dawnbreaker equipped you can STILL GET Brutality from another source on top of the +8%.
Yea, 2h skill Rally, wich is my point, Rally restricts me to 2h, wich I dont wanna use, Id prefer to use Sword and Board and Bow. Sword and Board doesnt have a major brutality skill, neither does bow, then im stuck with using my class skill, wich is only in melee and lasts for a short time, making it basicly useless as a slot, so instead im stuck with using 2h even if I dont want to.
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Destruent✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Im sick of being reliant on 2h and rally to keep my weapondmg buff up at all times. (dont mention hidden blade because this duration is laughable and you cant keep it up at all times cause of lack of oponenents without reflect up)
Stamina sorcerer i just use critical surge for a weapon buff it last awhile plus dawnbreaker morph increases weapon damage also as long as it's slotted
Sadly im a NB so I dont have a class skill that lets me do this, atm im stuck with using 2h.There is already an ultimate (Flawless Dawnbreaker) which actually passively increases your damage with weapon attacks as far as I remember (as magicka sorc I chose the other morph, so I cannot recall what exactly the Flawless Dawnbreaker does).
Yea, but that still doesnt help me get the major wep dmg buff now does it.
you can use power extraction/sap essence...and yes, i know it has it's downsides, but it's the same with entropy.
Sadly that wont do much for me either as it requires a target in melee, and im using a bow 50% of the time. Rally is great, its not that, its the fact that you have to use 2h to have the buff up most of the time...wich I dont like.
You are aware, that everyone except sorcerers are sharing your problem??? It doesn't matter, wether you play magicka or stamina. Just accept that this is a sorcerer-only-thing.
sry, i can't take this serious...atleast you DO have a possibility to get your major buff without getting into combat/out of stealth.
And your point being? My point is: Id like to have an option to turn on major wep dmg buff without having to use 2h. If you disagree, thats fine, but that doesnt rly fix my issue now does it...
my point is, that everything has it's downsides^^
What about changing your build so you can use wep-dmg-potions? You have the possibility, but you refuse to use it.
Its not that I refuse to use it, this post is about the possibility to have this buff added to a fightersguild skill, wich I dont think should be a problem given that mages guild has it. This would give stamina users a wider array of weapon of choice. If you disagree, thats fine, but dont force your opinion on me.
Mages Guild has it, bc there is no weapon skill providing major sorcery.
Wich is great for magicka builds because they dont have to restrict themself to a weapon to get that buff (they do have get restricted to restoration staffs for heals, but that is a different story)
as said earlier...you can use potions, twohander, dual wield, sap. Magicka-users can use potions and entropy (maybe sap/surge). What if a magicka user (no sorc) wants to have major sercery out of combat and refuses to use potions. It's exactly the same problem....but noone complains, bc there IS a solution--> potions. it's your choice to use it or not.Noobplar3 -
olsborg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Im sick of being reliant on 2h and rally to keep my weapondmg buff up at all times. (dont mention hidden blade because this duration is laughable and you cant keep it up at all times cause of lack of oponenents without reflect up)
Stamina sorcerer i just use critical surge for a weapon buff it last awhile plus dawnbreaker morph increases weapon damage also as long as it's slotted
Sadly im a NB so I dont have a class skill that lets me do this, atm im stuck with using 2h.There is already an ultimate (Flawless Dawnbreaker) which actually passively increases your damage with weapon attacks as far as I remember (as magicka sorc I chose the other morph, so I cannot recall what exactly the Flawless Dawnbreaker does).
Yea, but that still doesnt help me get the major wep dmg buff now does it.
you can use power extraction/sap essence...and yes, i know it has it's downsides, but it's the same with entropy.
Sadly that wont do much for me either as it requires a target in melee, and im using a bow 50% of the time. Rally is great, its not that, its the fact that you have to use 2h to have the buff up most of the time...wich I dont like.
You are aware, that everyone except sorcerers are sharing your problem??? It doesn't matter, wether you play magicka or stamina. Just accept that this is a sorcerer-only-thing.
sry, i can't take this serious...atleast you DO have a possibility to get your major buff without getting into combat/out of stealth.
And your point being? My point is: Id like to have an option to turn on major wep dmg buff without having to use 2h. If you disagree, thats fine, but that doesnt rly fix my issue now does it...
my point is, that everything has it's downsides^^
What about changing your build so you can use wep-dmg-potions? You have the possibility, but you refuse to use it.
Its not that I refuse to use it, this post is about the possibility to have this buff added to a fightersguild skill, wich I dont think should be a problem given that mages guild has it. This would give stamina users a wider array of weapon of choice. If you disagree, thats fine, but dont force your opinion on me.
Mages Guild has it, bc there is no weapon skill providing major sorcery.
Wich is great for magicka builds because they dont have to restrict themself to a weapon to get that buff (they do have get restricted to restoration staffs for heals, but that is a different story)
as said earlier...you can use potions, twohander, dual wield, sap. Magicka-users can use potions and entropy (maybe sap/surge). What if a magicka user (no sorc) wants to have major sercery out of combat and refuses to use potions. It's exactly the same problem....but noone complains, bc there IS a solution--> potions. it's your choice to use it or not.
I dont think you even read what I write in this thread, you just jump in and force your opinion...gg.
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starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭@Destruent
You come to a man who's fallen down a hole. He shouts up to you, "help, I've got a problem and I don't know how to fix it." You tell him, in painstaking detail how he can climb out. He says, "no, you don't understand, then I won't have anything to complain about."
That sound about right?5 -
Destruent✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭starkerealm wrote: »@Destruent
You come to a man who's fallen down a hole. He shouts up to you, "help, I've got a problem and I don't know how to fix it." You tell him, in painstaking detail how he can climb out. He says, "no, you don't understand, then I won't have anything to complain about."
That sound about right?
Yes, sadly i forgot this everytime i read such topics XDNoobplar0 -
olsborg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »@Destruent
You come to a man who's fallen down a hole. He shouts up to you, "help, I've got a problem and I don't know how to fix it." You tell him, in painstaking detail how he can climb out. He says, "no, you don't understand, then I won't have anything to complain about."
That sound about right?
Ive tried explaining why pots, sap or hidden blade is a worse option to me (in pvp) then using a 2h, so Im using a 2h atm, but id like to not have to, so I go to the forum to suggest adding this buff to a fighters guild skill or some other skill. What exactly is your problem with this suggestion? do you NEED to troll or disagree just for the sake of it? After ive explained why, youre still trying to convince me, that im wrong and you are right. L2REdited by olsborg on January 18, 2016 1:51PM
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starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I dont think you even read what I write in this thread, you just jump in and force your opinion...gg.
Olsborg. Off the top of my head there are four skills that give Major Brutality. Drain Essence, Surge, Momentum, and Roar. There are only two who give you Major Sorcery, Surge and Entropy. There are already more ways you can get it than the mage equivalent.
You want it? That's cool. It is available to you. From a couple sources. If you want Major Sorcery, your only option is to roll a sorc or take Entropy. As a NB? That's screwing yourself over and giving up Strife.
EDIT: Yep, forgot about Hidden Blade. Knew something was slipping past me.Edited by starkerealm on January 18, 2016 1:53PM0 -
dday3six✭✭✭✭✭
✭starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Im sick of being reliant on 2h and rally to keep my weapondmg buff up at all times. (dont mention hidden blade because this duration is laughable and you cant keep it up at all times cause of lack of oponenents without reflect up)
Stamina sorcerer i just use critical surge for a weapon buff it last awhile plus dawnbreaker morph increases weapon damage also as long as it's slotted
Sadly im a NB so I dont have a class skill that lets me do this, atm im stuck with using 2h.There is already an ultimate (Flawless Dawnbreaker) which actually passively increases your damage with weapon attacks as far as I remember (as magicka sorc I chose the other morph, so I cannot recall what exactly the Flawless Dawnbreaker does).
Yea, but that still doesnt help me get the major wep dmg buff now does it.
you can use power extraction/sap essence...and yes, i know it has it's downsides, but it's the same with entropy.
Sadly that wont do much for me either as it requires a target in melee, and im using a bow 50% of the time. Rally is great, its not that, its the fact that you have to use 2h to have the buff up most of the time...wich I dont like.
You are aware, that everyone except sorcerers are sharing your problem??? It doesn't matter, wether you play magicka or stamina. Just accept that this is a sorcerer-only-thing.
sry, i can't take this serious...atleast you DO have a possibility to get your major buff without getting into combat/out of stealth.
And your point being? My point is: Id like to have an option to turn on major wep dmg buff without having to use 2h. If you disagree, thats fine, but that doesnt rly fix my issue now does it...
my point is, that everything has it's downsides^^
What about changing your build so you can use wep-dmg-potions? You have the possibility, but you refuse to use it.
Its not that I refuse to use it, this post is about the possibility to have this buff added to a fightersguild skill, wich I dont think should be a problem given that mages guild has it. This would give stamina users a wider array of weapon of choice. If you disagree, thats fine, but dont force your opinion on me.
And, as I said earlier, Flawless Dawnbreaker adds one of those, without chewing up your brutality slot (so if you can get that it stacks on top). It's a flat +8% weapon damage while slotted. Now, if you want a different ultimate slotted, you do lose that, but it's still a legitimate option.
Its a different passive, it adds 8% weapon dmg. Its still not major brutality.
Yes, that is literally exactly what I just said. It boosts damage from all stamina based powers (and itself for that matter) passively while slotted. As opposed to Mage's Guild where you can get major Sorcery for 20 seconds on use.
So, if you have Flawless Dawnbreaker equipped you can STILL GET Brutality from another source on top of the +8%.
Yea, 2h skill Rally, wich is my point, Rally restricts me to 2h, wich I dont wanna use, Id prefer to use Sword and Board and Bow. Sword and Board doesnt have a major brutality skill, neither does bow, then im stuck with using my class skill, wich is only in melee and lasts for a short time, making it basicly useless as a slot, so instead im stuck with using 2h even if I dont want to.
The Major Brutality buff from Draw Power and it's morphs lasts for 20s. Same as Entropy and it's morphs. The only difference is the range.
You know it's highly possible you could changed your build to not need tri-pots for regen, so you could then use them for Major Brutality. You can get Major Expedition on them as well, and it will not fall off in combat either.
Honestly, you can use Siphoning Attacks to sustain both Magicka and Stamina, and pair that with Caltrops. You'll still get stamina, and the increase to stamina regen from pots which give Major Brutality. If you need to heal, just cloak up and use Vigor.0 -
Destruent✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭starkerealm wrote: »@Destruent
You come to a man who's fallen down a hole. He shouts up to you, "help, I've got a problem and I don't know how to fix it." You tell him, in painstaking detail how he can climb out. He says, "no, you don't understand, then I won't have anything to complain about."
That sound about right?
Ive tried explaining why pots, sap or hidden blade is a worse option to me (in pvp) then using a 2h, so Im using a 2h atm, but id like to not have to, so I go to the forum to suggest adding this buff to a fighters guild skill or some other skill. What exactly is your problem with this suggestion? do you NEED to troll or disagree just for the sake of it?
I disagree bc i think we don't need it. You have various ways to get major brutality. Each with advantages and disadvantages. Which is great bc so you have to make a decision which one to choose. If everyone has a skill which provides this buff without any downside you don't have to make a decision, which is bad and boring imo.Noobplar0 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »@Destruent
You come to a man who's fallen down a hole. He shouts up to you, "help, I've got a problem and I don't know how to fix it." You tell him, in painstaking detail how he can climb out. He says, "no, you don't understand, then I won't have anything to complain about."
That sound about right?
Ive tried explaining why pots, sap or hidden blade is a worse option to me (in pvp) then using a 2h, so Im using a 2h atm, but id like to not have to, so I go to the forum to suggest adding this buff to a fighters guild skill or some other skill. What exactly is your problem with this suggestion? do you NEED to troll or disagree just for the sake of it?
I disagree bc i think we don't need it. You have various ways to get major brutality. Each with advantages and disadvantages. Which is great bc so you have to make a decision which one to choose. If everyone has a skill which provides this buff without any downside you don't have to make a decision, which is bad and boring imo.
More than that, as I said, Flawless Dawnbreaker actually gives you an alternate option in the Fighter's Guild line. It's not, "oh, here, have Major Brutality as a passive." That would be flat out broken. But it is a flat damage buff to stamina players who are willing to slot it, on top of being a decent ultimate.
It's not the same thing, but it is a trade off. And, actually a really compelling choice. Do you want to give up your ultimate slot in order to have a flat weapon damage up buff? Here it is.
Combine that with Expert Hunter providing Major Savagery as a passive, and... yeah, you can do some really scary things with the FG line for a stamina build. It won't give you Brutality, but it will give you more tools to work with.0 -
Erdmanski✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »@Destruent
You come to a man who's fallen down a hole. He shouts up to you, "help, I've got a problem and I don't know how to fix it." You tell him, in painstaking detail how he can climb out. He says, "no, you don't understand, then I won't have anything to complain about."
That sound about right?
Ive tried explaining why pots, sap or hidden blade is a worse option to me (in pvp) then using a 2h, so Im using a 2h atm, but id like to not have to, so I go to the forum to suggest adding this buff to a fighters guild skill or some other skill. What exactly is your problem with this suggestion? do you NEED to troll or disagree just for the sake of it? After ive explained why, youre still trying to convince me, that im wrong and you are right. L2R
This thread is a prime example of the problem with people in this game, they will continue to complain regardless. You have been given multiple options for major brutality - sap, hidden blade (dw), rally (2h), potions - yet you are still complaining that you want something else.
You say you run 1h and shield on your back bar... why exactly do you need to run that instead of 2h or dw?2 -
olsborg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »@Destruent
You come to a man who's fallen down a hole. He shouts up to you, "help, I've got a problem and I don't know how to fix it." You tell him, in painstaking detail how he can climb out. He says, "no, you don't understand, then I won't have anything to complain about."
That sound about right?
Ive tried explaining why pots, sap or hidden blade is a worse option to me (in pvp) then using a 2h, so Im using a 2h atm, but id like to not have to, so I go to the forum to suggest adding this buff to a fighters guild skill or some other skill. What exactly is your problem with this suggestion? do you NEED to troll or disagree just for the sake of it? After ive explained why, youre still trying to convince me, that im wrong and you are right. L2R
This thread is a prime example of the problem with people in this game, they will continue to complain regardless. You have been given multiple options for major brutality - sap, hidden blade (dw), rally (2h), potions - yet you are still complaining that you want something else.
You say you run 1h and shield on your back bar... why exactly do you need to run that instead of 2h or dw?
Because I want to play...as I want and not as I need? Because Ive explained why the options you list here is not fitting for my current build, yes...I could change the build entirely....but...."play as you want" they said...
And the problem with people in this game, is that they think everyone is complaining, even if its just a suggestion. Please read a thread before you start posting in it.Edited by olsborg on January 18, 2016 2:05PM
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starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »@Destruent
You come to a man who's fallen down a hole. He shouts up to you, "help, I've got a problem and I don't know how to fix it." You tell him, in painstaking detail how he can climb out. He says, "no, you don't understand, then I won't have anything to complain about."
That sound about right?
Ive tried explaining why pots, sap or hidden blade is a worse option to me (in pvp) then using a 2h, so Im using a 2h atm, but id like to not have to, so I go to the forum to suggest adding this buff to a fighters guild skill or some other skill. What exactly is your problem with this suggestion? do you NEED to troll or disagree just for the sake of it? After ive explained why, youre still trying to convince me, that im wrong and you are right. L2R
This thread is a prime example of the problem with people in this game, they will continue to complain regardless. You have been given multiple options for major brutality - sap, hidden blade (dw), rally (2h), potions - yet you are still complaining that you want something else.
You say you run 1h and shield on your back bar... why exactly do you need to run that instead of 2h or dw?
Also it argues for homogenizing the game to the point where every decision is just, "what do I want this power to be called" and not, "which class/weapon gives me the tools I need to do what I want?"0 -
Destruent✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭starkerealm wrote: »@Destruent
You come to a man who's fallen down a hole. He shouts up to you, "help, I've got a problem and I don't know how to fix it." You tell him, in painstaking detail how he can climb out. He says, "no, you don't understand, then I won't have anything to complain about."
That sound about right?
Ive tried explaining why pots, sap or hidden blade is a worse option to me (in pvp) then using a 2h, so Im using a 2h atm, but id like to not have to, so I go to the forum to suggest adding this buff to a fighters guild skill or some other skill. What exactly is your problem with this suggestion? do you NEED to troll or disagree just for the sake of it? After ive explained why, youre still trying to convince me, that im wrong and you are right. L2R
This thread is a prime example of the problem with people in this game, they will continue to complain regardless. You have been given multiple options for major brutality - sap, hidden blade (dw), rally (2h), potions - yet you are still complaining that you want something else.
You say you run 1h and shield on your back bar... why exactly do you need to run that instead of 2h or dw?
Because I want to play...as I want and not as I need? Because Ive explained why the options you list here is not fitting for my current build, yes...I could change the build entirely....but...."play as you want" they said...
And the problem with people in this game, is that they think everyone is complaining, even if its just a suggestion. Please read a thread before you start posting in it.
"play as you want" is NOT the same as "play as yu want and be effective"
I want to play a magicka build in medium armor and bow and also want to do 30k+ ST-DPS, please change the game around it. now!Noobplar5 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Because I want to play...as I want and not as I need?
Okay, then step back and understand you're going about this the wrong way.
Right now you're standing here yelling at us about how your soup keeps slipping through the tines on your fork, and we're telling you, "well use a spoon!"
Decide how you want to play, then evaluate the class and weapon skills to find the tools you need to make that work. You want major brutality? Bring Hidden Blade. You don't want to dual wield or use a 2 hander? Well, tough. You want a click source for brutality? Wolf out or get a big sword. That's where the tools are.
We are telling you, you're wrong. And you're standing there saying, "no, no, no, the world is wrong, and I'm right!"Edited by starkerealm on January 18, 2016 2:15PM1 -
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✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »I dont think you even read what I write in this thread, you just jump in and force your opinion...gg.
Olsborg. Off the top of my head there are four skills that give Major Brutality. Drain Essence, Surge, Momentum, and Roar. There are only two who give you Major Sorcery, Surge and Entropy. There are already more ways you can get it than the mage equivalent.
You want it? That's cool. It is available to you. From a couple sources. If you want Major Sorcery, your only option is to roll a sorc or take Entropy. As a NB? That's screwing yourself over and giving up Strife.
EDIT: Yep, forgot about Hidden Blade. Knew something was slipping past me.
Sap essence (NB skill) gives both Major Brutality and Major Sorcery. So can be used by both magicka and stamina users.٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶
"I am a nightblade. Blending the disciplines of the stealthy agent and subtle wizard, I move unseen and undetected, foil locks and traps, and teleport to safety when threatened, or strike like a viper from ambush. The College of Illusion hides me and fuddles or pacifies my opponents. The College of Mysticism detects my object, reflects and dispels enemy spells, and makes good my escape. The key to a nightblade's success is avoidance, by spell or by stealth; with these skills, all things are possible."0 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Knootewoot wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »I dont think you even read what I write in this thread, you just jump in and force your opinion...gg.
Olsborg. Off the top of my head there are four skills that give Major Brutality. Drain Essence, Surge, Momentum, and Roar. There are only two who give you Major Sorcery, Surge and Entropy. There are already more ways you can get it than the mage equivalent.
You want it? That's cool. It is available to you. From a couple sources. If you want Major Sorcery, your only option is to roll a sorc or take Entropy. As a NB? That's screwing yourself over and giving up Strife.
EDIT: Yep, forgot about Hidden Blade. Knew something was slipping past me.
Sap essence (NB skill) gives both Major Brutality and Major Sorcery. So can be used by both magicka and stamina users.
Yeah, and also Power Surge, for what it's worth. Though, I could swear I said Drain Power... oooh, I typed Drain Essence. Derp.0 -
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✭✭✭Knootewoot wrote: »The mage guild entropy is not as good as rally. Not only does it take you out of stealth, you also have to use in on enemy in order to get the 20% buff.
Rally can be used in stealth and can be used out of combat.
I wish there was a magicka variant of this.
My point being.....being forced to use a specific weapon is not fun in any way, specially if you want to try something else, but you cant because you loose having the buff up.
you are not forced. You want the extra damage? You have to sacrifice. I know lot's of people who run bow and dual wield and drink only regen potions. They also miss out of the extra damage but they get around.
so basicly you want all the pro's and not the con's. Well you can't. You want to play as you want, but want all benefits of the stuff you don't want. Well you can't. I wanted to have the sneakspeed of a vampire without being one and without night silence and I want to be a NB who can use Dragonsblood and fart jesusbeams. Well I can't.
People gave so many options as a substitute for Rally because there is. If anyone should cry is magicka users because
- stamina users can heal in stealh, magicka can't
- stamina users can use major brutality in stealth, the magicka form you can't and even have to atyack (unless potions)
- Stamina has flawless dawnbreaker extra 8% weapon damage passive, and there is no magicka version
- Stamina is green, and magicka is not
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✭✭✭✭✭Knootewoot wrote: »Knootewoot wrote: »The mage guild entropy is not as good as rally. Not only does it take you out of stealth, you also have to use in on enemy in order to get the 20% buff.
Rally can be used in stealth and can be used out of combat.
I wish there was a magicka variant of this.
My point being.....being forced to use a specific weapon is not fun in any way, specially if you want to try something else, but you cant because you loose having the buff up.
you are not forced. You want the extra damage? You have to sacrifice. I know lot's of people who run bow and dual wield and drink only regen potions. They also miss out of the extra damage but they get around.
so basicly you want all the pro's and not the con's. Well you can't. You want to play as you want, but want all benefits of the stuff you don't want. Well you can't. I wanted to have the sneakspeed of a vampire without being one and without night silence and I want to be a NB who can use Dragonsblood and fart jesusbeams. Well I can't.
People gave so many options as a substitute for Rally because there is. If anyone should cry is magicka users because
- stamina users can heal in stealh, magicka can't
- stamina users can use major brutality in stealth, the magicka form you can't and even have to atyack (unless potions)
- Stamina has flawless dawnbreaker extra 8% weapon damage passive, and there is no magicka version
- Stamina is green, and magicka is not
I forget, can't you charge Power Surge from stealth, to trigger Major Sorcery?
Also, you missed the hilarious one where Expert Hunter gives you Major Savagery as a passive while slotted. If there's a similar crit chance passive for Magicka users, I can't remember what it is.0 -
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✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »
I forget, can't you charge Power Surge from stealth, to trigger Major Sorcery?
Also, you missed the hilarious one where Expert Hunter gives you Major Savagery as a passive while slotted. If there's a similar crit chance passive for Magicka users, I can't remember what it is.
As a magicka NB I don't have access to power surge so I don't know.
And yes also expert or camo hunter gives passive high weapon crit chance. There is also no magicka variant of this.
BUT: Magicka users have a mundus stone for magicka regeneration. There is no stamina regeneration mundus stone. So let's call this even.٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶
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✭✭✭✭✭Knootewoot wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »
I forget, can't you charge Power Surge from stealth, to trigger Major Sorcery?
Also, you missed the hilarious one where Expert Hunter gives you Major Savagery as a passive while slotted. If there's a similar crit chance passive for Magicka users, I can't remember what it is.
As a magicka NB I don't have access to power surge so I don't know.
And yes also expert or camo hunter gives passive high weapon crit chance. There is also no magicka variant of this.
BUT: Magicka users have a mundus stone for magicka regeneration. There is no stamina regeneration mundus stone. So let's call this even.
Yeah, my Stamina Stealth Sorc doesn't use Surge... she probably should... I'll try to remember to let you know if I find out.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »
Have you tried keeping this buff up 100% of the time without getting it hit back in your face? Not to mention its duration is laughable and if youre lucky enough to not have it reflected back to you, youre in the same situation again 10s later, ive tried it and it was very,very bad in pvp in terms of keeping the buff up.
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✭✭✭✭✭Knootewoot wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »
I forget, can't you charge Power Surge from stealth, to trigger Major Sorcery?
Also, you missed the hilarious one where Expert Hunter gives you Major Savagery as a passive while slotted. If there's a similar crit chance passive for Magicka users, I can't remember what it is.
As a magicka NB I don't have access to power surge so I don't know.
And yes also expert or camo hunter gives passive high weapon crit chance. There is also no magicka variant of this.
BUT: Magicka users have a mundus stone for magicka regeneration. There is no stamina regeneration mundus stone. So let's call this even.
Serpent Mundus = Stam regEdited by olsborg on January 18, 2016 2:46PM
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✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »
Have you tried keeping this buff up 100% of the time without getting it hit back in your face? Not to mention its duration is laughable and if youre lucky enough to not have it reflected back to you, youre in the same situation again 10s later, ive tried it and it was very,very bad in pvp in terms of keeping the buff up.
On my Bosmer Vampire Nightblade. So, yes, I have. It's a little fiddly, but you can make it work.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭@Knootewoot I just went in and checked on my other sorc. Yeah, you can cast Critical Surge from stealth, at least. So that's probably an option for all three versions. So you can file that under, "good to know."1 -
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✭✭✭Knootewoot wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »
I forget, can't you charge Power Surge from stealth, to trigger Major Sorcery?
Also, you missed the hilarious one where Expert Hunter gives you Major Savagery as a passive while slotted. If there's a similar crit chance passive for Magicka users, I can't remember what it is.
As a magicka NB I don't have access to power surge so I don't know.
And yes also expert or camo hunter gives passive high weapon crit chance. There is also no magicka variant of this.
BUT: Magicka users have a mundus stone for magicka regeneration. There is no stamina regeneration mundus stone. So let's call this even.
Serpent Mundus = Stam reg
Cool, when did they change that? It used to be Increases non-combat health regeneration for Serpent.
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✭✭✭✭OP is being a spoilt child bow.
I want major evasion using light armor
I want major expedition while using two hander or sword and board.
I want a cleanse on my stam Dk
I want ice comet to give me spell damage while slotted
I want a ranged attack on my two handed
Wah wah wah.
You don't get certain things when you use others things. Deal with it. You can get it with two hander, dual wield (in combat like entropy) or use pots. As a nb, you have a class skill. That's 4 ways. That's plenty.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭OP is being a spoilt child bow.
I want major evasion using light armor
I want major expedition while using two hander or sword and board.
I want a cleanse on my stam Dk
I want ice comet to give me spell damage while slotted
I want a ranged attack on my two handed
Wah wah wah.
You don't get certain things when you use others things. Deal with it. You can get it with two hander, dual wield (in combat like entropy) or use pots. As a nb, you have a class skill. That's 4 ways. That's plenty.
Holy *** whats wrong with people, since when did a suggestion from one players opinion provoke such rudeness? *facepalm*
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✭✭DW is the best option front bar for Stamina DPS, and pots are the best option for Major Brutality. I use Rally when I want to be cheap, but pots last longer and don't require a bar swap.
My build is reliant on tripots for regeneration so using pots for this isnt possible for me, I dont rly see a probem adding the major buff to evil hunter etc that lasts for 20 -30 seconds like entrpy does for spelldmg buff.
Replace camouflaged hunter with this. Everyone's happy! (Except the night blades exploiters, but who cares about them?)
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