I have 450ish CP right now.

I had 338 when Orsinium came out not 3 months ago.

I even went to PvP because everybody says XP gains there are so much lower, because I was waiting for a friend to catch up.

51 CP per quarter is going to make progression sooo slow.

This is going to be particularly noticeable on my V1 DK, because of I hit the cap, it's going to take her longer to earn a Champion point than to gain a vet level.

I think 90 per quarter is reasonable. It's a CP per day, which is the intended progression, I believe.

Also, the XP penalty after the cap needs to go. Because it penalizes players who prefer to quest, as those quests only give you XP once.

What's the rush? Do we REALLY need to hit 3600 cp? Maybe I'm missing something, but I'd rather prolong breaking the game's already unstable balance.

Do you want to spend the whole quarter getting to level cap? Seriously?

I would rather spend a month getting to level cap and then two months playing the actual game at level cap. Otherwise it's a target you will never reach. You are leveling for the sake of leveling and not paying the game. When IC dropped we all leveled to V16 as fast as possible so we could start crafting/farming our gear at level cap level. If it takes the full three months to get there, then all our gear will be suboptimal by the time the new DLC (and probably new gear) drops.

You will be in a never ending loop of leveling and can never play end game content at end game scale.

Malmai wrote: »

The current cp system is not fair at all imo it should be reset when cap came. People who farmed 400k exp per cp point won again we get 1 cp every 1mil, sucha bs grind...

This makes no sense with the catch up system it takes less to earn CPs and anyone over the cap it cost more currently it takes me about 940,000 xp to get one point.

If casuals are leaving too much behind, of course they gotta do this. They could just give vets build/gear slots to grind.

Heindrich wrote: »

Apparently Zenimax based this number off average CP... but that is a very flawed approach to make because there are loads of people with very low CP who have simply quit the game. They aren't playing the game anymore! Progression for players that are still playing should not be dictated by people that last logged on 6 months ago, or those who play once every few weeks.

Lets face it, inactive players and roleplayers don't care about progression. The catch up mechanic means any new players or returning players can and will reach a competitive amount of CP pretty soon if they become active. (I have a guildmate that made 13 CP in one hr yesterday thx to enlightenment, xp pots, efficient grinding and low-CP bonus!)

I seriously hope Zenimax recalibrates the 51 number. The cap should be increased by as much as you will gain if you used up ur enlightenment. That is pretty much all I do and I've already gone from 489 to 529 since the cap was introduced (so 28 of that took tonnes of extra xp).

Totally agree what's the point of having enlightenment - which at normal rate equates to 1 CP per day then allow people to only utilise half that amount

Heindrich wrote: »

Apparently Zenimax based this number off average CP... but that is a very flawed approach to make because there are loads of people with very low CP who have simply quit the game. They aren't playing the game anymore! Progression for players that are still playing should not be dictated by people that last logged on 6 months ago, or those who play once every few weeks.

Lets face it, inactive players and roleplayers don't care about progression. The catch up mechanic means any new players or returning players can and will reach a competitive amount of CP pretty soon if they become active. (I have a guildmate that made 13 CP in one hr yesterday thx to enlightenment, xp pots, efficient grinding and low-CP bonus!)

I seriously hope Zenimax recalibrates the 51 number. The cap should be increased by as much as you will gain if you used up ur enlightenment. That is pretty much all I do and I've already gone from 489 to 529 since the cap was introduced (so 28 of that took tonnes of extra xp).

CP-average should be calculated by active players, from those who've logged in 1 week or so.

I support casuality 100% myself, sure we vets can grind ourselves into rofl-stomp-mode but guess how many players theres left after that.

The game is not going to survive if it stagnates for 10 years of unchanged progression system. Wow did a complete revamp almost every expansion, as did hdro albeit less frequent. You can't assume this system will be all right for that timeframe.

At most a starting point of 5 year lifetime would be suitable, which would mean a ~150 cp per quarter increase. But, as said above, I'll wait and see.

I say increase it to say 150 every quarter which leaves 50 CP to divide between each skill tree because honestly it will take over a decade to get them all, most of us wont even be playing ESO in a decade, infact will ESO even live to that age? and as redspectra23 stated: putting in an achievement that won't be achievable for 15 years is a bit silly,.

You could just increase the leveling speed even faster for those that fall behind.

So if they raise the cap 51 CP every quarter, I have to re-craft gear every quarter? At 100+ mats per piece? I really hope that's not the case...

willymchilybily wrote: »

51 per quarter = 4 CP a week.

They honestly should have attempted to span it out over 7.5 years not 15. Even if they are aiming to match WOW for longevity and be still going in 15 years. They will have evolved.

The worst case, you have to upgrade the CP system in 7.5 years time. I think thats plenty of time to get a fairly solid plan in place.

anyway I'm not fussed so muich, i wont lose any sleep.

"51 per quarter = 4 CP a week."
I can get that in around an hour or 2 by doing daily quests.

I might be dead from some apocalyptic event 15 years from now lol. That's also when the entire 3600 champion system would be maxed out. Feels like a joke.

Also means no need for ZoS now to design any new interesting constellations, signs and passives. Just keep the old stuff and make that progression take over a decade. I'm not impressed. Feels really lazy.

I think 100 CP each DLC would be more reasonable to start of with. Maybe push it even higher in a year or so to 200 CP, once ZoS has better control of the game. Than keep re-buffing enlightenment for new players and those below cap, to make sure they wont be to far behind.

Rune_Relic wrote: »

So should we have a 1 year progression system so all the hardcore players are bored to death after 1 year and demand more content again and further progressions ?
I think a 10+ year progression system is a reasonable objective for an MMO.
I think hard core players need to take their foot off the gas, sit back and savour the content instead of bypass it as quick as possible to be top dog and OP compared to everyone else.

The problem making it character wide is there will be no more progression for any ALT when you hit 3600.
When you hit 3600 that's it....game over for all alts...not just one.

Also, why would ZOS invest such a fortune into assets and infrastructure tio kill it off over 5 years.
They want a return on their investment.
The longer ESO survives the more capital investment they get back + profit.

why not just add another dimension of progression? Doesn't it sound much more fun to start progressing on a different level after 2-3 years or would you really want to earn the same points for 10 years?

imho there is no reason to see CPs as the form of final endgame progression for all eternity. If you want a game to be played for 10 years, come up with something new, maybe?

I thought it was a little low but then thinking of new players coming in and long term I guess it is about right. I still don't like the removal of VR ranks, I wish we at least still have a VR rank that does absolutely nothing and everything is driven by CP. I know stupid reason but it's mine so sticking to it.

I've found the CP gain rate to be quite reasonable so far. At first, I was hesitant about the caps, but it was clear that there needed to be some system in place to prevent those players who have the time (and will) to reach significantly higher CP milestones from being at a godly advantage to others. Of course, as one of the players who has been at or around the cap since it's implementation, the primary concern here was that I wouldn't be gaining CP for all of the time I put into it.

I have been eyeballing my CP gain since I hit the 501 cap, and it's slower than 1 CP per day (on an average work day, where time is limited to a few hours in the evening). On the weekends I can easily earn 1-2 CP, even at the diminished rate past the cap. The curve is quite steep for the 501+ points, escalating up to a million exp+ to achieve the next point, compared to 800K exp for those below the cap.

So, let's assume I earn 7 CP within a week of hitting the cap, and each week following that I am able to earn a single point less than the week prior. Personally, I think that this is a bit generous, and would prefer more conservative assumptions. I hit the 501 cap on January 10th. Following these assumptions:

January 11-17 : 7 CP
January 18-24 : 6 CP
January 25-31 : 5 CP
February 1-7 : 4 CP
February 8-14 : 3 CP
February 15-21: 2 CP
February 22-28: 1 CP

For a total of 29 CP earned, or a running total of 530 CP until (presumably) the next cap increase. The actual earned CP may be slower or more rapid than this, and of course will vary with playtime and the content played. But, if we're just looking for a rough idea, this will suffice.

What I see here is the potential for someone who is below the cap to catch up quite rapidly if they play the same amount of time. The curve is quite steep beyond the cap, and clearly I will be lucky to even reach the 552 cap before it actually hits live. At the very least, this demonstrates that the limitations in place for max-CP players are effective at keeping us from getting too far ahead, which is a good thing for the rest of the community.

This pretty much leaves me chasing whatever the "next" CP cap is, every single time we get a cap increase. This is kind of disappointing, because I'll likely never again get the rate I had prior to hitting the cap. Even if I am below 552 when it goes live, I will be there within a week or two tops, meaning I still have the vast majority of the quarter to wait for another cap increase.

TL;DR
So, the final question here is: Is that 51-point increase too insignificant? The easy answer is that it's relative. The players that have significantly more time to sink into the game are going to want higher caps, and to some extent I belong to that group of players. But I'm also trying to be mindful of the newer players, who can easily feel overwhelmed by how far behind in CP they are. For me personally, I'm going to be chasing CP caps at diminished rates for pretty much the remainder of ESO's lifespan. Whether or not it's a 50-pt or 100-pt increase to the CP cap, I'm going to hit the new cap right away (within a couple weeks or a month of the increase), meaning that it really doesn't matter to me what the cap actually increases by. I'm still going to have 2 - 2 1/2 months of waiting for the next cap.

The catch-up rate for those below the cap has proven to be quite reasonable, at least from my end of the table. I run a guild which contains a handful of people who are beyond the cap already, but we also have new players that have <200 CP who are doing very well so far in terms of CP gain, and being able to get the gear and the experience they need to run with the "big dogs". I think the amount by which they increase it is fine, because it won't leave too many players in the dust, and it's not going to make much of a difference for us at the cap anyway.