TheShadowScout wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

What Thieves Guild Skills could do:

Thieves guild skills would be a great place to start with stuff thats only usable in stealing and not in combat.
Active skills might include...
...something to distract roaming NPCs (not guards like the ones who keep an eye on things in the bank though - its their job to not let themselves be easily distracted) so you can burglar that lockbox they are wandering around without being spotted.
...a spell that costs a lot of magica, but has a chance to open a door or treasure chest lock (depending on lock quality and object - a strongbox should be harder then a treasure chest, a chest harder then a apartment door...) for those who forgot their lockpicks.
...a spell that gives you a "don't notice me" aura which makes pickpocketing more likely to succeed, or possibly an "out of stealth pickpocketing" (as described, bumping into someone, making your apologies and hopefully delaying their notice of their missing purse until you get a headstart)
...a toggle that increases your stealth capabilities (better sneak speed, lower sneak cost, harder to detect) at the expense of your sneak attack bonus (to make it quite useless for gankings)
...as mentioned, a "vanish/disguise" spell that can be used to break off guard pursuit if you manage to get a certain distance from them, or maybe not depending on distance, but with a chance to fail depending on your bounty (they might not put too much effort into chasing down someone who stole an apple, but would pursue that infamour outlaw with the huge price on their head way more seriously...)

Passives might include...
...the mendioned speechcraft passive that gives you a chance to convince normal vendors to buy -one- stolen object (with a bounty if failed, as described)
...a speechcraft passive that allows you try and to "bribe" a guard to let you go without confiscating your ill-gotten goods (for when you get nabbed -just- as you snatched that imperial motiv...)
...passives that give a chance not to recieve a bouty when spotted stealing, or to lessen that bounty
...passives that increase chances for chance-depending TG skills, or reduce costs...
...passives that unlock more interesting thievery quests (like the fighters guild cyrodil bounty, requiring more then sneak and grab to complete - at least a combination of thievery, like, pickpocket key first, sneak past guards, distract servant, steal & wear disguise, complete miniquest to deal with final watchdog, escape)

Gidorick wrote: »

What Dark Brotherhood Guild Skills could do:

Dark Brotherhood would likely have to have combat-oriented skills, but I love the idea of them only being somehow not all that applicable in PvP. Just making players immune (citing "vestige" status) might be plausible!
Those skills might include...
...definitely something to deal with NPCs from stealth. But we already have an insta-kill mechanic (if their HP are low enough), so how about a snooze mechanic instead? Sneak up with that alchemy-soaked hanky, and knock them out with a big dose of medieval-magical chloroform so you can take pride in only killing your designated target, and not the poor schmucks just standing guard?
...possibly a toggle that allows some illusion disguise as "completely harmless" (visuals depending on surroundings, same mechanics like any other disguise - sentries looking through it, combat breaking it, etc.; in PvP you'd still have your "faction" designator so it'd be useless)
...maybe even some area-feature disguise skill that is proof against spotted by sentries, but requires you to stand still or it will break? To navigate guards, letting them pass you by while you play scrub or wall hanging
...perhaps some "escape" skill invloving throwing a smoke bomb and doing a short-range teleport that will break a pursuing guards aggro for a few seconds, allowing you a chance to enter stealth and get away
...possibly an skill that coats your weapons with an special extremely virulent poison (which for some reason just happens not to work on vestiges) for the next attack only allowing you to do one strike worth of poison damage (effectively a double damage attack for those assassinations where its doubtful you might get a second shot)

Passives...
...should really include a "this doesn't concern you, walk away..." skill that gives a chance for a single witness to be scared witless by a dangerous looking assassin and keeping their mouth shut when they see an assassination happening as to not become collateral damage
...might include some in-stealth regen boosts. Not entirely useless for PvP, but... not that big a deal in combat either.
...passives that reduce the bounty for being spotted doing your killings
...a passive that unlocks more interesting targets (like fighters guild cyrodil bounties, requiring more then sneak and stab to complete, stuff involving learning where your target might be, using mutliple disguises, dealing with guards, getting to the intercept location, perhaps even killing in one specific way - poison in a cup, arrow in the dark, cutting off the head and placing it in their lords bed...)

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Sorry but please stop with "skills with thieves guild" posts already.