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No new active abilities in new DLCs. Again.
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Shadesofkin✭✭✭✭✭
✭Largely unnecessary at this point. They'd be nice, sure, but they're not vital to the survival of the game just yet.
There is a new trial though...that is definitely cool.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Game would become P2W then if they start adding skill lines behind a paid DLC."Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
Tryxus - Guardian of the Green - Warden - PC/EU7 -
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✭Imagine how unbalanced the game would be then
I'm happy for them to get the current skills/classes balanced, then they can add more. I have departed into the great unknown that is outside the game and the forums, and wish you well in your Tamriel adventures!
DC - PC - EU - Australian
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Troneon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Good maybe they can fix the game instead then...PC EU ADMaster Crafter - Anything you need!!High Elf Magicka Templar Healer/DPS/TankTrials / Dungeons / PVP / Everything0 -
theher0not✭✭✭✭✭Lightninvash wrote: »
They can find a way for it to work. Theves guild probably have some improvments to justice and theif system. There is your way of leveling it without the DLC. (But the dlc can make it easier to level, just like osirium has done with crafting)
Edit: or they can make the skill lines level with both XP and DLC contentEdited by theher0not on January 16, 2016 4:56PM0 -
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✭YA this is crap. THey are guilds therefore they should get skill lines. Bottom line. End of story. No reason for them to get worse treatment then fighters guild and mages guild. What crap. If they dont have skills ready then they shouldnt release it because it is not finished!3 -
ajwest927✭✭✭Lightninvash wrote: »
You can level up fighters and mage's guild skill line without doing quest.1 -
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✭there is already a thief tree line it's called legerdemain. if they retype it to thieves guild would you be happy?
stop the QQ of the sake to QQ plz. there is no need for a thieves guild line because in the core a thief won't fight. it's about getting into places and getting stuff without being detected. if they would implement a cloak like skill in it it would probably render the NB useless and it will lose his class appeal0 -
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✭✭Yeah, I heard it during eso live and seen in the same ten threads before.Profanity filter is a crime against the freedom of speech. Also gags.0 -
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✭Who cares about new trials. We want new skill lines that we can use for more builds! The fact that PvP balance slows this down is so aggravating ! PvP slows the progress of this game down completely !0 -
ajwest927✭✭✭there is already a thief tree line it's called legerdemain. if they retype it to thieves guild would you be happy?
stop the QQ of the sake to QQ plz. there is no need for a thieves guild line because in the core a thief won't fight. it's about getting into places and getting stuff without being detected. if they would implement a cloak like skill in it it would probably render the NB useless and it will lose his class appeal
Renaming legerdemain to thieves guild is not enough, they need to give the thieves guild skill line the full treatment by having active, passive, and ultimate. So what if they have to borrow some idea from Nightblade to add to the thieves guild, as long it's good that all it matters.1 -
TX12001rwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
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And what exactly is a thieves ultimate going to do? deal DPS?, AoE? Heal?....thieves have NOTHING to do with combat and if they took something from the Nightblades then that would be NBs losing out on something that defines their class if everyone could do it.there is already a thief tree line it's called legerdemain. if they retype it to thieves guild would you be happy?
stop the QQ of the sake to QQ plz. there is no need for a thieves guild line because in the core a thief won't fight. it's about getting into places and getting stuff without being detected. if they would implement a cloak like skill in it it would probably render the NB useless and it will lose his class appeal
Renaming legerdemain to thieves guild is not enough, they need to give the thieves guild skill line the full treatment by having active, passive, and ultimate. So what if they have to borrow some idea from Nightblade to add to the thieves guild, as long it's good that all it matters.
I'm surprised no one has asked for a fishing skilline yet with a combat related ultimate even though fishing has nothing to do with combat at all just like thieving.Edited by TX12001rwb17_ESO on January 16, 2016 7:02PM1 -
bowmanz607✭✭✭✭✭
✭there is already a thief tree line it's called legerdemain. if they retype it to thieves guild would you be happy?
stop the QQ of the sake to QQ plz. there is no need for a thieves guild line because in the core a thief won't fight. it's about getting into places and getting stuff without being detected. if they would implement a cloak like skill in it it would probably render the NB useless and it will lose his class appeal
No i would not be happy. it is the theives GUILD. it should receive the same treatment as the other guilds. 4 skills, an ultimate, and passives.1 -
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What if I said that was the thieves guild skilline however because the justice system came out early that had to call it something else.bowmanz607 wrote: »there is already a thief tree line it's called legerdemain. if they retype it to thieves guild would you be happy?
stop the QQ of the sake to QQ plz. there is no need for a thieves guild line because in the core a thief won't fight. it's about getting into places and getting stuff without being detected. if they would implement a cloak like skill in it it would probably render the NB useless and it will lose his class appeal
No i would not be happy. it is the theives GUILD. it should receive the same treatment as the other guilds. 4 skills, an ultimate, and passives.
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bowmanz607✭✭✭✭✭
✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »
And what exactly is a thieves ultimate going to do? deal DPS?, AoE? Heal?....thieves have NOTHING to do with combat and if they took something from the Nightblades then that would be NBs losing out on something that defines their class if everyone could do it.there is already a thief tree line it's called legerdemain. if they retype it to thieves guild would you be happy?
stop the QQ of the sake to QQ plz. there is no need for a thieves guild line because in the core a thief won't fight. it's about getting into places and getting stuff without being detected. if they would implement a cloak like skill in it it would probably render the NB useless and it will lose his class appeal
Renaming legerdemain to thieves guild is not enough, they need to give the thieves guild skill line the full treatment by having active, passive, and ultimate. So what if they have to borrow some idea from Nightblade to add to the thieves guild, as long it's good that all it matters.
I'm surprised no one has asked for a fishing skilline yet with a combat related ultimate even though fishing has nothing to do with combat at all just like thieving.
Really? you just compared a core guild to the TES universe to fishing. GTFO.
You could add a number of things such as skills that buff and debuff. Another place to get major expedition or dodge chance. Or perhaps a place to gain minor dodge chance. An ability that makes you move faster while stealthed. Or an ability that trades mag for stamina or something. Another heal. An ultimate that reduces damage or heals or buffs a group or something. If you want to take the route of non violent abilities you can. You can add abilities that buff and debuff wothout giving them something like cloak to render a NB useless.1 -
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✭✭✭bowmanz607 wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »
And what exactly is a thieves ultimate going to do? deal DPS?, AoE? Heal?....thieves have NOTHING to do with combat and if they took something from the Nightblades then that would be NBs losing out on something that defines their class if everyone could do it.there is already a thief tree line it's called legerdemain. if they retype it to thieves guild would you be happy?
stop the QQ of the sake to QQ plz. there is no need for a thieves guild line because in the core a thief won't fight. it's about getting into places and getting stuff without being detected. if they would implement a cloak like skill in it it would probably render the NB useless and it will lose his class appeal
Renaming legerdemain to thieves guild is not enough, they need to give the thieves guild skill line the full treatment by having active, passive, and ultimate. So what if they have to borrow some idea from Nightblade to add to the thieves guild, as long it's good that all it matters.
I'm surprised no one has asked for a fishing skilline yet with a combat related ultimate even though fishing has nothing to do with combat at all just like thieving.
Really? you just compared a core guild to the TES universe to fishing. GTFO.
You could add a number of things such as skills that buff and debuff. Another place to get major expedition or dodge chance. Or perhaps a place to gain minor dodge chance. An ability that makes you move faster while stealthed. Or an ability that trades mag for stamina or something. Another heal. An ultimate that reduces damage or heals or buffs a group or something. If you want to take the route of non violent abilities you can. You can add abilities that buff and debuff wothout giving them something like cloak to render a NB useless.
I don't think a potential skill line should be in competition with NB skill lines. That is not how guild skill lines should work. A thieves guild skill line should no more make NB skills obsolete than the mages guild skill line makes sorcerer skills obsolete. If anything, the thieves guild skill line should make NB more powerful, just like how certain mages guild skills benefit magicka sorcs (and other magicka characters).Edited by DaveMoeDee on January 16, 2016 7:21PM2 -
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✭✭✭Lightninvash wrote: »
Why would you expect that? Can you point to any other skills in the game that are dependent on paid DLC content?0 -
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✭DaveMoeDee wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »
And what exactly is a thieves ultimate going to do? deal DPS?, AoE? Heal?....thieves have NOTHING to do with combat and if they took something from the Nightblades then that would be NBs losing out on something that defines their class if everyone could do it.there is already a thief tree line it's called legerdemain. if they retype it to thieves guild would you be happy?
stop the QQ of the sake to QQ plz. there is no need for a thieves guild line because in the core a thief won't fight. it's about getting into places and getting stuff without being detected. if they would implement a cloak like skill in it it would probably render the NB useless and it will lose his class appeal
Renaming legerdemain to thieves guild is not enough, they need to give the thieves guild skill line the full treatment by having active, passive, and ultimate. So what if they have to borrow some idea from Nightblade to add to the thieves guild, as long it's good that all it matters.
I'm surprised no one has asked for a fishing skilline yet with a combat related ultimate even though fishing has nothing to do with combat at all just like thieving.
Really? you just compared a core guild to the TES universe to fishing. GTFO.
You could add a number of things such as skills that buff and debuff. Another place to get major expedition or dodge chance. Or perhaps a place to gain minor dodge chance. An ability that makes you move faster while stealthed. Or an ability that trades mag for stamina or something. Another heal. An ultimate that reduces damage or heals or buffs a group or something. If you want to take the route of non violent abilities you can. You can add abilities that buff and debuff wothout giving them something like cloak to render a NB useless.
I don't think a potential skill line should be in competition with NB skill lines. That is not how guild skill lines should work. A thieves guild skill line should no more make NB skills obsolete than the mages guild skill line makes sorcerer skills obsolete. If anything, the thieves guild skill line should make NB more powerful, just like how certain mages guild skills benefit magicka sorcs (and other magicka characters).
Thats my point. It doesnt have to be in competition with a NB. There are plenty of skills that could be made that will not compete with a NB. Again, from buffs to debuffs heals damage mitgation etc. All could still fall in a theme with thieves guild and not compete with NB.
Regardless, It is not my job to come up with these skills. ZOS introduced the guild skills and then refused to add skills to new guilds. Additionally, how can you justify adding skills for 2 guilds but not to other guilds? Are those guilds better? Why shoudl they get special treatment? Casue ZOS doesnt want to make new skills? That is BS! Hell brotherhood and theives guild is viewed by many as the best 2 guilds in any TES game. To wait so long for two DLC that turned out to get unequal treatment is annoying. Not only should they have had both of these guilds in when the game came out since they are so central to TES games, but it got pushed back and pushed back just to be released half-***. Im sorry but for me this is where I draw the line with ZOS. This is half-ass and a lazy attempt to get out the only remaining DLC they had so that they could make some money.1 -
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✭✭✭bowmanz607 wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »
And what exactly is a thieves ultimate going to do? deal DPS?, AoE? Heal?....thieves have NOTHING to do with combat and if they took something from the Nightblades then that would be NBs losing out on something that defines their class if everyone could do it.there is already a thief tree line it's called legerdemain. if they retype it to thieves guild would you be happy?
stop the QQ of the sake to QQ plz. there is no need for a thieves guild line because in the core a thief won't fight. it's about getting into places and getting stuff without being detected. if they would implement a cloak like skill in it it would probably render the NB useless and it will lose his class appeal
Renaming legerdemain to thieves guild is not enough, they need to give the thieves guild skill line the full treatment by having active, passive, and ultimate. So what if they have to borrow some idea from Nightblade to add to the thieves guild, as long it's good that all it matters.
I'm surprised no one has asked for a fishing skilline yet with a combat related ultimate even though fishing has nothing to do with combat at all just like thieving.
Really? you just compared a core guild to the TES universe to fishing. GTFO.
You could add a number of things such as skills that buff and debuff. Another place to get major expedition or dodge chance. Or perhaps a place to gain minor dodge chance. An ability that makes you move faster while stealthed. Or an ability that trades mag for stamina or something. Another heal. An ultimate that reduces damage or heals or buffs a group or something. If you want to take the route of non violent abilities you can. You can add abilities that buff and debuff wothout giving them something like cloak to render a NB useless.
While it would be nice to have a guild line that buffs stamina the way mages guild buffs magicka, it seems odd that thieves guild would do that. The magicka buff feels natural for mages guild. It would feel a bit tacked on for thieves guild because thieves don't revolve around enhancing their stamina use. The again, linking stamina with leather armor does make it feel more tied to thieves.
The NB and Legerdemain makes it hard to have meaningful skills for both thieves guild and dark brotherhood. NB has an entire assassination skill line. Assassination is exactly what NB does. Cloak is something you would expect from both TG and DB.
ZOS was clever to make fighers guild skills focused on daedra and not just plain fighting. What theme would make sense for TG or DB?0 -
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✭DaveMoeDee wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »
And what exactly is a thieves ultimate going to do? deal DPS?, AoE? Heal?....thieves have NOTHING to do with combat and if they took something from the Nightblades then that would be NBs losing out on something that defines their class if everyone could do it.there is already a thief tree line it's called legerdemain. if they retype it to thieves guild would you be happy?
stop the QQ of the sake to QQ plz. there is no need for a thieves guild line because in the core a thief won't fight. it's about getting into places and getting stuff without being detected. if they would implement a cloak like skill in it it would probably render the NB useless and it will lose his class appeal
Renaming legerdemain to thieves guild is not enough, they need to give the thieves guild skill line the full treatment by having active, passive, and ultimate. So what if they have to borrow some idea from Nightblade to add to the thieves guild, as long it's good that all it matters.
I'm surprised no one has asked for a fishing skilline yet with a combat related ultimate even though fishing has nothing to do with combat at all just like thieving.
Really? you just compared a core guild to the TES universe to fishing. GTFO.
You could add a number of things such as skills that buff and debuff. Another place to get major expedition or dodge chance. Or perhaps a place to gain minor dodge chance. An ability that makes you move faster while stealthed. Or an ability that trades mag for stamina or something. Another heal. An ultimate that reduces damage or heals or buffs a group or something. If you want to take the route of non violent abilities you can. You can add abilities that buff and debuff wothout giving them something like cloak to render a NB useless.
While it would be nice to have a guild line that buffs stamina the way mages guild buffs magicka, it seems odd that thieves guild would do that. The magicka buff feels natural for mages guild. It would feel a bit tacked on for thieves guild because thieves don't revolve around enhancing their stamina use. The again, linking stamina with leather armor does make it feel more tied to thieves.
The NB and Legerdemain makes it hard to have meaningful skills for both thieves guild and dark brotherhood. NB has an entire assassination skill line. Assassination is exactly what NB does. Cloak is something you would expect from both TG and DB.
ZOS was clever to make fighers guild skills focused on daedra and not just plain fighting. What theme would make sense for TG or DB?
Add another mag line and another stam line. Use TG for the stamin line. As you side a closer link to stamina with thieves generally wearing leather. Plus, Stamina for sneaking. You can then use this line for buffs and debuffs for stamina users. It could be a different variation of a dodge chance skill or speed buffs etc. Maybe even a CC. This would keep true to the TG mantra of not killing.
DB can use dark magic. Could provide some buffs or pets, or some DOT but anything that focuses on the dark side of magic. This also stay true to the DB who have been known to use all kinds of dark magic in lore.
Adding another mag and stam skill line would keep the game balanced. The themes discussed would keep it distinct from NB while staying consistent with the themes of both guilds. It would gives skills to 2 guilds that should have it anyway because 2 other guilds do. It would also create more diversity and bring excitement back to the game which improves the QOL.0
