Zenimax, we want a Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood Skill-line!

Troneon · January 2016

No, stealth gameplay is stupid, and there should be no such skill-lines in ESO.

They can't even get the skills in the game to work as they should now for years... and you want to add more? you are actually asking for more bugged skills? are you crazy?

Yeah ZOS please feed us more.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21EA2F3Y8Lk

Faulgor · January 2016

YES! Zenimax, give us a Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood Skill-line with their approbiate DLC's!

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Honestly not a single person has said what should be in these skill lines. Not a one. But again as someone stated. You want them to just pull a skill line out of their ***es and then what? Complain when it isnt the greatest thing ever or it breaks numerous things in the game?

Because I'm tired of doing their design work for them and not getting anything in return.

But fine, whatever.

Thieves Guild

Nightingale [Stamina]
Summons a nightingale as a second pair of eyes. Grants Major Savagery and returns [x] Stamina on a critical hit.

Chameleon [Magicka]
Toggle. Grants invisibility, but cannot move or regenerate attributes.

Smoke Bomb [Stamina]
Throws a smoke bomb on the ground (PBAoE) and stuns enemies in [x] meter radius. While in the smoke, gain Minor Evasion.

Speed of Darkness [Stamina]
Grants Major Expedition for [x] seconds. Enter stealth instantly when crouching.

Cloak of Nocturnal [Ultimate]
Creates a field of Darkness for [x] seconds. Any invisible or hidden allies that enter the field regenerate [y] Health/Magicka/Stamina every second.

Dark Brotherhood

Poisoned Knife [Stamina]
Poisons the target for [x] damage over [y] seconds. Heals you for [x] when effect ends.

Venom Cut [Stamina] [Magicka morph]
Deals [x] Poison damage. Damage increases up to 300% against low health targets.

Neckbreaker [Stamina]
Grants Minor Brutality and Minor Force for [x] seconds. Duration is extended by [y] seconds after killing a target.

Voidstep [Magicka]
Randomly teleport to a location within [x] meter radius.

Nightmother's Call [Ultimate]
While toggled, restores 100% Health, Magicka and Stamina for each kill. Each kill drains [x] Ultimate.
While slotted, passively increases critical damage by [y]%.

There, now you can dismis the whole idea of Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood skill lines merely by attacking my skill suggestions

anitajoneb17_ESO · January 2016

log234 wrote: »

Even though the main patch is a DLC I would imagine new skill lines are considered as new systems and would be available to all players as well as a method of leveling them, such as kills of innocent for DB and pickpockets/breaking in/looting owned chest for TG.

^This.
I had not thought about this before but this is a big issue.
A new skill line cannot be part of a DLC because that would mean P2W.
Thus it has to be part of the free, base-game updates.
It brings no money to ZOS, and the company's board is free to order the devs to focus on DLC for money, and not on renewal or innovation or extension of the core game mechanics.
That's a very real consequence of the buy-to-play model. I'm afraid from now on we will get more zones and stories to do the same things, rather than new ways to do things and new things to do in the zones and stories we already have.

It hurts replayability and ZOS tries to force replayability via extreme RNG settings. Makes sense...

NB : cannot vote since there's no option to vote "Yes, give us more skill lines, but not in DLC, in the base-game patch only".

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Runs · January 2016

YES! Zenimax, give us a Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood Skill-line with their approbiate DLC's!

Does no new skill lines, mean no new skills?

Perhaps they can add to the legerdemain skill line for almost any new skills between the two DLC's.

NewBlacksmurf · January 2016

Meh, I don't care.

So here is what I don't understand.
Ppl want a new skill line but haven't shared where all those skill points would come from.

Nifty2g · January 2016

No, stealth gameplay is stupid, and there should be no such skill-lines in ESO.

Skills / Passives locked behind DLC is a bad direction, stop encouraging it. ZOS have said they are not adding anything to the base game anymore, it's all DLC based apart from balancing etc

actually i picked the wrong vote lol

joleda4ub17_ESO · January 2016

Meh, I don't care.

There are too many passives in this game already. Not including the armor passives, no passive should be part of a build unless one of the corresponding active skills is on the current action bar. Adding more passives will just move the power creep further down the tracks and I don't think it needs to be inflated again.

JD2013 · January 2016

Meh, I don't care.

If they do, given that it is a paid DLC, how many people will scream "OMG it's P2W!!" ?

Smokescales · January 2016

YES! Zenimax, give us a Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood Skill-line with their approbiate DLC's!

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

So here is what I don't understand.
Ppl want a new skill line but haven't shared where all those skill points would come from.

Lol, not like there isn't mass amounts of skill points one can acquire in the game. You don't need to unlock every single skill available to you and there is a respec option.

anitajoneb17_ESO · January 2016

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

So here is what I don't understand.
Ppl want a new skill line but haven't shared where all those skill points would come from.

From Silver and Gold zones. It will be the primary incentive for doing them after veteran rank removal. But there should be enough skyshards and points available in the new content, so that these zones remain optional.

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Troneon · January 2016

No, stealth gameplay is stupid, and there should be no such skill-lines in ESO.

I actually think they are doing the right thing here for the right reasons but only IF THEY FOLLOW THROUGH.

They don't want to keep adding new skills and other things that effect balance when there is so many unbalanced and broken bugged skills in the game already.

They want to also address the above and server performance before doing that.

It is something they want to do but not before.

Now the trick is whether they actually do what they say and fix things first because we all know they say a lot and only follow through on some..

Dexter411 · January 2016

I will not vote beacuse what you wrote there is stupid.
"Zenimax, we want a Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood Skill-line!"- No ,We dont. You have already in game. Crying for something what You WANT is childish.

Glaiceana · January 2016

Meh, I don't care.

There is obviously a good reason why they decided not to go with a skill line for these DLCs. Do you want these DLCs or not? Because if you demand that a skill line be developed for both, you might not get them until next year.

I55UE5 · January 2016

Meh, I don't care.

They only reason I would care about new skill lines is the option for more variety.

Unfortunately, new skills lines are not needed for this to happen at this time in the game,

They need to fix the current skills in game, making better (or more) morph options, and creating more interesting set bonus gear.

Didgerion · January 2016

No, stealth gameplay is stupid, and there should be no such skill-lines in ESO.

Faulgor wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Honestly not a single person has said what should be in these skill lines. Not a one. But again as someone stated. You want them to just pull a skill line out of their ***es and then what? Complain when it isnt the greatest thing ever or it breaks numerous things in the game?

Because I'm tired of doing their design work for them and not getting anything in return.

But fine, whatever.

Thieves Guild

Nightingale [Stamina]
Summons a nightingale as a second pair of eyes. Grants Major Savagery and returns [x] Stamina on a critical hit.

Chameleon [Magicka]
Toggle. Grants invisibility, but cannot move or regenerate attributes.

Smoke Bomb [Stamina]
Throws a smoke bomb on the ground (PBAoE) and stuns enemies in [x] meter radius. While in the smoke, gain Minor Evasion.

Speed of Darkness [Stamina]
Grants Major Expedition for [x] seconds. Enter stealth instantly when crouching.

Cloak of Nocturnal [Ultimate]
Creates a field of Darkness for [x] seconds. Any invisible or hidden allies that enter the field regenerate [y] Health/Magicka/Stamina every second.

Dark Brotherhood

Poisoned Knife [Stamina]
Poisons the target for [x] damage over [y] seconds. Heals you for [x] when effect ends.

Venom Cut [Stamina] [Magicka morph]
Deals [x] Poison damage. Damage increases up to 300% against low health targets.

Neckbreaker [Stamina]
Grants Minor Brutality and Minor Force for [x] seconds. Duration is extended by [y] seconds after killing a target.

Voidstep [Magicka]
Randomly teleport to a location within [x] meter radius.

Nightmother's Call [Ultimate]
While toggled, restores 100% Health, Magicka and Stamina for each kill. Each kill drains [x] Ultimate.
While slotted, passively increases critical damage by [y]%.

There, now you can dismis the whole idea of Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood skill lines merely by attacking my skill suggestions

Yeah we need 10 more guild skill lines and then ZOS can get rid of classes.

How don't you see that every skill line added shadows already existing class skills. And if you want the old school model (aka classes) then every new skill line plays against it.

Personally I'm against the class system - it is not lore friendly and very hard to balance.
Balancing a skill now translates to nerfing or even destroying a class....it would be much easier to balance things out if the skill would not be class tighten.
And of course the new guild skill lines would be very welcomed in a class-less system.

ShadowHvo · January 2016

YES! Zenimax, give us a Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood Skill-line with their approbiate DLC's!

Dexter411 wrote: »

I will not vote beacuse what you wrote there is stupid.
"Zenimax, we want a Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood Skill-line!"- No ,We dont. You have already in game. Crying for something what You WANT is childish.

Ok

*Checks poll*

Seems like the majority thus far wants the skill-lines.

A lot of people, including myself has been waiting (And subscribed) since day-one of release for PC, that is almost two years now, we have ever since been promised that the Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood will have an equal representation in the game just like the Mages Guild and the Fighters Guild has.

Without a skill-line, that will not be true. As suggested by the very votes in this poll, people are not just content with a new storyline, they would also like new skills to play around with, and have fun with.

Thus far, we have extremely few skills that are stealth-centered, something a lot of players dread. The only one that springs to mind is Shadow Cloak and Veil of Blades, both of which are Nightblade exclusive.

All players want is fun and interesting stealth-centered abilities that focuses on either thievery, or assassinations, aka the two big stealth-centered groups in Tamriel.

It ain't really that hard to come up with awesome ideas, see, let me do it in just a few minutes:

Active
- Distraction: Throw a rock to a nearby location in the attempt to distract all nearby NPC's in a 5 meter radius. 50% succes chance.
Morph 1: Upgrade to Threatning Distraction, Rock thrown now has a 100% chance to distract all nearby enemies in a 5 meter radius.
Morph 2: Upgrade to Noisy Distraction, Throw a glass bottle in the attempt to distract all nearby NPC's in a 10 meter radius, 50% succes chance.

- Smoke Bomb: Throw a smoke bomb underneath yourself to loose all threat and gain 0.5 second of invisibility.
Morph 1: Upgrade to Toxic Bomb, all enemies hit with toxic bomb will take additional X poison damage for 5 seconds.
Morph 2: Upgrade to Vanish, all allies that stand within the smoke bomb will gain 2 seconds of invisibility.

- Non-Lethal Takedown: Subdue your opponent from behind to stun them for 50 seconds, only useable on a single opponent at a time, and cannot be used in combat. Any damage taken breaks the stun.
Morph 1: Upgrade to Lethal Takedown, stun reduced to 20 second, but the enemy will take equally to 30% of their health in damage over the duration of the stun.
Morph 2: Upgrade to Twin Takedown, you can now subdue two enemies at a time.

- Masquerade: While behind an innocent humanoid, subdue them and steal their attire to impose as them, rendering guardsman unable to detect you. Drains X stamina while moving, any skill-use or attack will cancel the toggle.
Morph 1: Upgrade to Masterful Deception, you can now impose as hostile humanoid too, rendering their allies unable to detect you. Addtionally, Non-Lethal Takedown and its morphs will no longer break the toggle.
Morph 2: Upgrade to Imposter, gain the ability to tell a guardsman of your subdued victim to frame him/her for your crimes, forcing the NPC to pay off 40% of the players bounty, the same guardsman cannot be tricked twice within 24 hours.

Ultimate
- Bow of Shadows: Shoot a powerful poisoned arrow that ignores target armor and deals X amount of damage.
Morph 1: Upgrade to Legendary Bow of Shadows, gain 6 second of invisibility and major expedition after use.
Morph 2: Upgrade to Focused Bow of Shadows, allows a second arrow to be shot within 4 seconds of the first shot.

^ These are just short, and simple ideas that could GREATLY improve stealth gameplay for all those Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood fans. The above creation was more themed to the Thieves Guild, but an equally awesome set of abilities could be made for the Dark Brotherhood, though that should probably be more focused on assassinations, poison and sithis!

Flak · January 2016

Would be nice to add new skilllines, however it would have to be in the base game patch, accessible for everyone.

Tryxus · January 2016

No, stealth gameplay is stupid, and there should be no such skill-lines in ESO.

Flak wrote: »

Would be nice to add new skilllines, however it would have to be in the base game patch, accessible for everyone.

Absolutely,

- With the addition of the Physical Damage Reduction star in CP, we should get Weapon Ultimates that do Stam Damage back
- Classes need to be expanded further: class morphs, extra class skill lines
- New weapons: NPCs use an Illusion Staff, Spears,...
- extra world skills: fishing?
- ...

Vrienda · January 2016

YES! Zenimax, give us a Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood Skill-line with their approbiate DLC's!

Got tons of spare skill points that i'd love to pour into a new skill tree. Especially passives, regardless of what those passives are.

a1x23 · January 2016

No, stealth gameplay is stupid, and there should be no such skill-lines in ESO.

A thieves guild/dark brotherhood skill line would be way to biased for NB's. They are strong enough as is

ShadowHvo · January 2016

YES! Zenimax, give us a Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood Skill-line with their approbiate DLC's!

a1x23 wrote: »

A thieves guild/dark brotherhood skill line would be way to biased for NB's. They are strong enough as is

... but why?

The abilities in such skill-lines should not be synergizing with any specific class, bur rather be a skill-line on it own, just like Mages Guild and Fighters Guild.

After all, if you want to say its a bias towards NB's because of the stealth aspect of said groups, well.. In that case, Fighters Guild would be a bias for Dragon Knights (Fire fire fire fire) and Mages Guild for Sorcercer for simply being magic based.

But it ain't like that, all Guild Skill-Lines should be unique, with different focuses for playstyles.

Elsonso · January 2016

Meh, I don't care.

Skill lines are nice, but ultimately, they are boring.

I would not oppose it if they added them, but to me they are a secondary issue.

If they do not add content that extends past the first few hours of play, like they failed to do with the FG and MG, it will just be boring content. There should be something to do in those guilds beyond the skills.

ajwest927 · January 2016

YES! Zenimax, give us a Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood Skill-line with their approbiate DLC's!

It's only fair cause the fighter's guild and mage's guild has skill lines, beside they could just renamed the legerdemain to thieves guild skill and add active and ultimate

Tryxus · January 2016

No, stealth gameplay is stupid, and there should be no such skill-lines in ESO.

ajwest927 wrote: »

It's only fair cause the fighter's guild and mage's guild has skill lines, beside they could just renamed the legerdemain to thieves guild skill and add active and ultimate

Or maybe update Legerdemain:

- less passives (2 lvls instead of 4)
- a few active skills: stealth, increased sneak attack damage, poison?
- rename it to smth more criminal to include murder etc

Then it could serve as an alternative without actually being tied to paid DLC guilds

Tandor · January 2016

Meh, I don't care.

I55UE5 wrote: »

They only reason I would care about new skill lines is the option for more variety.

Unfortunately, for everyone who expresses that opinion, someone else pops up and says he wants the existing skills changed so all the classes are the same.

WalkingLegacy · January 2016

I'd rather them balance the current skills we have, which they're not doing either.

We only have 5 bars, not sure what more skills would give us right now.

UrQuan · January 2016

ShadowHvo wrote: »

Dexter411 wrote: »

I will not vote beacuse what you wrote there is stupid.
"Zenimax, we want a Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood Skill-line!"- No ,We dont. You have already in game. Crying for something what You WANT is childish.

Ok

*Checks poll*

Seems like the majority thus far wants the skill-lines.

You think this poll means anything at all? Because of the stupidly biased way you phrased the poll choices, the vast majority of people who disagree with you simply aren't going to vote.

I get it, you're too afraid that if you simply said "Do you think the TG and DB DLCs should come with guild skill lines?" and gave the options as "Yes" "No" and "I don't know/care" then the results wouldn't swing in the direction you wanted. You're not interested in finding out what people actually think about this topic, you're only interested in hearing from the people who agree with you. You don't want a discussion of people's thoughts and ideas, you only want an echo chamber to provide you with validation. That's what these biased polls are always about.

Also, why do you want the game to be pay to win?

ShadowHvo · January 2016

YES! Zenimax, give us a Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood Skill-line with their approbiate DLC's!

UrQuan wrote: »

ShadowHvo wrote: »

Dexter411 wrote: »

I will not vote beacuse what you wrote there is stupid.
"Zenimax, we want a Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood Skill-line!"- No ,We dont. You have already in game. Crying for something what You WANT is childish.

Ok

*Checks poll*

Seems like the majority thus far wants the skill-lines.

You think this poll means anything at all? Because of the stupidly biased way you phrased the poll choices, the vast majority of people who disagree with you simply aren't going to vote.

I get it, you're too afraid that if you simply said "Do you think the TG and DB DLCs should come with guild skill lines?" and gave the options as "Yes" "No" and "I don't know/care" then the results wouldn't swing in the direction you wanted. You're not interested in finding out what people actually think about this topic, you're only interested in hearing from the people who agree with you. You don't want a discussion of people's thoughts and ideas, you only want an echo chamber to provide you with validation. That's what these biased polls are always about.

Also, why do you want the game to be pay to win?

Biased poll? Its text flavor, you seem to completely miss the entire point about this thread. I did not create it as a discussion, it was created as a way to show Zenimax how many people would like to see a skill-line for the Thieves Guild or Dark Brotherhood. Be it in a DLC or no, it matters not. Its about the skill-lines, no more no less.

I directly wrote:

ShadowHvo wrote: »

Everyone who wants these skill-lines, please show your support below in the poll.

as mentioned, it is to see how many wants the skill-lines. I merely added in the optional options so people could press no, or don't care, because otherwise I too would've had people complaining.

But just like Zenimax, I am unable to satisfy everyone on this earth.

Thank you however for the aggressive tone and your very kind words, I truly appreciate it.

As for P2W, no? Who ever made mention of that? Least to say, having a skill-line in a DLC is not Pay-To-Win, that is progression of a game, otherwise ALL expansions to ANY kind of MMO out there is also pay-to-win, and that logic is absolutely absurd in my mind. You cannot expect to pay 50 bucks for an MMO, and then still be on-par with everyone else that has bought the newest DLC/Expansions 10 years later, and then proceed onwards to complain about the game being Pay-To-Win.

If thats how you wish to roll with your version of a "Pay-To-Win" then we will simply have to agree to disagree.

UrQuan · January 2016

ShadowHvo wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

ShadowHvo wrote: »

Dexter411 wrote: »

I will not vote beacuse what you wrote there is stupid.
"Zenimax, we want a Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood Skill-line!"- No ,We dont. You have already in game. Crying for something what You WANT is childish.

Ok

*Checks poll*

Seems like the majority thus far wants the skill-lines.

You think this poll means anything at all? Because of the stupidly biased way you phrased the poll choices, the vast majority of people who disagree with you simply aren't going to vote.

I get it, you're too afraid that if you simply said "Do you think the TG and DB DLCs should come with guild skill lines?" and gave the options as "Yes" "No" and "I don't know/care" then the results wouldn't swing in the direction you wanted. You're not interested in finding out what people actually think about this topic, you're only interested in hearing from the people who agree with you. You don't want a discussion of people's thoughts and ideas, you only want an echo chamber to provide you with validation. That's what these biased polls are always about.

Also, why do you want the game to be pay to win?

Biased poll? Its text flavor, you seem to completely miss the entire point about this thread. I did not create it as a discussion, it was created as a way to show Zenimax how many people would like to see a skill-line for the Thieves Guild or Dark Brotherhood.

Exactly. It's an echo chamber. You don't care what the actual opinions of the community are. You don't care if the vast majority of people don't want these skill lines. You're only interested in hearing people parrot your own views back so you can point to the like-minded people and say "see, everyone wants this!"

ShadowHvo · January 2016

YES! Zenimax, give us a Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood Skill-line with their approbiate DLC's!

UrQuan wrote: »

ShadowHvo wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

ShadowHvo wrote: »

Dexter411 wrote: »

I will not vote beacuse what you wrote there is stupid.
"Zenimax, we want a Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood Skill-line!"- No ,We dont. You have already in game. Crying for something what You WANT is childish.

Ok

*Checks poll*

Seems like the majority thus far wants the skill-lines.

You think this poll means anything at all? Because of the stupidly biased way you phrased the poll choices, the vast majority of people who disagree with you simply aren't going to vote.

I get it, you're too afraid that if you simply said "Do you think the TG and DB DLCs should come with guild skill lines?" and gave the options as "Yes" "No" and "I don't know/care" then the results wouldn't swing in the direction you wanted. You're not interested in finding out what people actually think about this topic, you're only interested in hearing from the people who agree with you. You don't want a discussion of people's thoughts and ideas, you only want an echo chamber to provide you with validation. That's what these biased polls are always about.

Also, why do you want the game to be pay to win?

Biased poll? Its text flavor, you seem to completely miss the entire point about this thread. I did not create it as a discussion, it was created as a way to show Zenimax how many people would like to see a skill-line for the Thieves Guild or Dark Brotherhood.

Exactly. It's an echo chamber. You don't care what the actual opinions of the community are. You don't care if the vast majority of people don't want these skill lines. You're only interested in hearing people parrot your own views back so you can point to the like-minded people and say "see, everyone wants this!"

Dude, take a step back and breath, there is absolutely no need to make up so many assumptions.

Ofcourse I care, just because I did not create it as a discussion does not equal I created it for a single echo chamber. You can clearly see on the very frontpage that there are three options.

1. Yes
2. /care
3. No

It is as simple as that, with the three options you can see the opinions of different people, and of what they're leaning towards subject matter.

If its the "... with the approbiate DLC's!" part of the vote you're so fixated on, then keep in mind that with each DLC a base game patch is launched as well, and as I mentioned earlier, whenever such a skill-line would be behind the DLC, or for all with the base game patch is all up to each their own, that is not my point, nor the point of this thread.

EDIT: For spelling-