NO skill line with dark brotherhood nor thieves guild [confirmed on eso live]

Gilvoth · January 2016

i just heard rumer that there will be NO new skill lines with dark brotherhood and thieves guild DLC,
is this true?
they said something about not wanting to further imbalance the game ...

[CONFIRMED ON ESO LIVE, BY MATT FIROR]

ralonasan · January 2016

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

i just heard rumer that there will be NO new skill lines with dark brotherhood and thieves guild DLC,
is this true?
they said something about not wanting to further imbalance the game ...

Firor said it.
check my thread.

says ESO LIVE

Sallington · January 2016

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

i just heard rumer that there will be NO new skill lines with dark brotherhood and thieves guild DLC,
is this true?
they said something about not wanting to further imbalance the game ...

I see they finally have as much faith in themselves as we have in them.

Gilvoth · January 2016

yeah, thats not cool.
this aint good.

Mojmir · January 2016

dodgehopper_ESO · January 2016

Sallington wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

i just heard rumer that there will be NO new skill lines with dark brotherhood and thieves guild DLC,
is this true?
they said something about not wanting to further imbalance the game ...

I see they finally have as much faith in themselves as we have in them.

Well, I think they had reason to be concerned. I've made posts in the past about the danger of class passives becoming unfairly powerful, the more alternate skill lines they add to the game. I'm still hopeful they add something to these skill lines, but its clear they need to deal with the underlying framework first. Its already got a share of problems.

reften · January 2016

really what other skills can you have in the game.

CC
Single target
AoE
execute
purge
buff
heal
Kinda run out of things after that

I challenge you to come up with a new skill that isn't OP, isn't worthless, and isn't already in the game.

Autolycus · January 2016

I'll probably be fine without added skill lines. I was somewhat intrigued by the idea of additional skills, but I'd sooner see the content they do choose to implement be fun and replayable.

karldavy149b16_ESO · January 2016

let face it moan there is no skill lines added moan there is skills added but needs balancing moan that the dlc lacks value for money moan moan moan ...

they cant please everyone

be happy that they never annouced the closing of the game and log on and play

Mojmir · January 2016

reften wrote: »

really what other skills can you have in the game.

CC
Single target
AoE
execute
purge
buff
heal
Kinda run out of things after that

I challenge you to come up with a new skill that isn't OP, isn't worthless, and isn't already in the game.

doesnt need to be a new, can always use another heal or buff,

khele23eb17_ESO · January 2016

reften wrote: »

really what other skills can you have in the game.

CC
Single target
AoE
execute
purge
buff
heal
Kinda run out of things after that

I challenge you to come up with a new skill that isn't OP, isn't worthless, and isn't already in the game.

Just look through skill lists from other games. I suggest starting with the hundreds of skills from GW1.

Khaos_Bane · January 2016

This news surprised me and very disappointing.

Alcast · January 2016

Mojmir wrote: »

zhahahahaha

Ruben · January 2016

They said active skills. There could still be passives, like Legerdemain.

Nestor · January 2016

Do we really need new skill lines or skills with new content?

New Gear, sure. New skills not so much, we have enough.

Forestd16b14_ESO · January 2016

Um who cares ? Why should there be new skills when the ones in the game are imbalanced and broken ?

Zorrashi · January 2016

Meh. I really don't see the big deal.

NewBlacksmurf · January 2016

I don't understand why anyone thought there would be a new skill line.
Not being unrealistic but, DLC doesn't usually add skill lines, base game updates do but there's been not talk about a new skill line so I wasn't expecting it. Maybe I just overlooked a lot of talk.

khele23eb17_ESO · January 2016

Nestor wrote: »

Do we really need new skill lines or skills with new content?

New Gear, sure. New skills not so much, we have enough.

Makes gameplay stagnant.

dodgehopper_ESO · January 2016

Nestor wrote: »

Do we really need new skill lines or skills with new content?

New Gear, sure. New skills not so much, we have enough.

I would have really liked to see a cloak/silence set of skills between DB and TG. This would have afforded non Nightblades the ability to stealth as well, in the same way people can get a poor man's Mirage via Shuffle, for instance, or the Rune from Fighters guild, or the purge from alliance war.

It might also have been nice to see something added for poison skills, flinging shuriken, perhaps a garotte skill (rearward cc/execute only), and an improvement to alchemy to include poisons and poison resistance.

So in some ways yes it is a disappointment, though not unexpected given the current state of class passives. ZoS has its work cut out for them.

As far as new gear goes: I never find new gear exciting in these games. Just new experiences and gameplay interest me - I can't be the only one that feels this way, but I realize a lot of MMO'ers love the gear hamster-wheel.

Teiji · January 2016

This is partly an RPG and an Elder Scrolls game. No Thieves Guild / Nocturnal or Dark Brotherhood / Sithis, Night Mother active skills is very strange.

But whatever, it's not like I have to pay for Thieves Guild with 105 days left of ESO Plus, I doubt the passives will be as exciting as what active skills would be. Maybe Spellcrafting will make up for it, providing it comes in 2018 or sooner.

Lokryn · January 2016

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

I don't understand why anyone thought there would be a new skill line.
Not being unrealistic but, DLC doesn't usually add skill lines, base game updates do but there's been not talk about a new skill line so I wasn't expecting it. Maybe I just overlooked a lot of talk.

I just assumed that since we have Fighters Guild and Mages Guild, that we would have a Thieves Guild skill line too.

Spacemonkey · January 2016

I'm pretty sure this isn't bad.

They announced the 'class' and 'skill' rebalance for the begining of the year (i think Q2) - let them get that first (and its bugs) - and then they might add new skill lines.

But adding a new skill line in the middle of the implementation of a global rebalance is a bad idea. So this really is not bad.

JD2013 · January 2016

Ruben wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

No DLC announced after TG and DB? F2P inc?

Clockwork city, Mephala's Realm, Murkmire(?)... they don't have to announce new DLCs every ESO Live, they want us to focus on the next one instead of what's coming in half a year or more, that's just good business.

Oddly enough there appeared to be shots from an area that looked like it could have been Murkmire before the show in the music thing they play beforehand.

starkerealm · January 2016

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

I don't understand why anyone thought there would be a new skill line.
Not being unrealistic but, DLC doesn't usually add skill lines, base game updates do but there's been not talk about a new skill line so I wasn't expecting it. Maybe I just overlooked a lot of talk.

Back when dinosaurs roamed the earth and before Buy to Play was announced, they said the new guilds would have their own skill lines. Once B2P was announced, then they said you'd be able to join the guilds, even if you didn't have the DLC, but wouldn't be able to do the guild questlines unless you were subbed or had the DLC. Which, suggested the skill lines were still a thing. Now, the skill lines are out, which suggests that you just wouldn't be able to join those factions at all as a non-sub.

altemriel · January 2016

no new skill line? you must be joking!!!

TX12001rwb17_ESO · January 2016

I said there were not going to be any new skillines in that other thread.....hahahaha, Theiving has NOTHING to do with combat whatsoever, besides you already have the legdermain skilline which improves your stealth skills.

JamilaRaj · January 2016

What?! No new skill lines? Not even in the crown store?
Firor sure has to be joking or suffering from severe bout of conscience!

exeeter702 · January 2016

Players expected it simply because mage guild and fighters guild are as much of a staple to TES games as theives guild is and to a lesser extent, the dark brotherhood. And since mage a fighters have a skill line here, it was expected that these 2 new guilds would as well.

However this is an mmo and adding new skills into an mmo especially with the type character build freedom this game has, would be a monumental undertaking as far as balance is concerned. I can see where they are coming from.

Also important to note is that guild skill line progression is intrinsically tied to the guild content. Granted I could think if a few activities that are in the game as of now that could naturally increase thieves guild rank, but primarily you need to do content tied directly to the guild to progress which means if you do not purchase the dlc/update, you are locked out of skills wich would set a pretty nasty precedent.

Makkir · January 2016

Hey silly me what do I know but wouldn't Legerdemain kinda be the Thieves Guild skill line??????

Tryxus · January 2016

I'm a bit disappointed by this, but I can understand why ZOS doesn't want to do this:

1. Balance
In normal TES games, the TG and the DB cater to the stealthy char we make, both violent sneaks (DB) and non-violent ones (TG). In ESO, the sneak class here is the NB

Have you guys ever seen a thread train of "I hate NB"? If the DB gets assassination/ganking skills, NB would have extra skills to play along with. Or extra stealth skills from TG?

WW might not have it easy either if the DB gets Poison based skills since they alrdy have to deal with FG skills.

All in all, I think it's best to not add such skills and skill lines yet. First ZOS has to focus on Templar fixing (urgent!) as well as reviewing the other classes and the changes they are gonna make to the CP (Physical Damage star) before adding new things.

And if they add new skills: extra weapons, weapon ultimates (for Stamina users) and class morphs should be a priority then.

2. P2W?
What about the ppl who don't have the DLC or can't afford it?

If they cannot get access to the same amount of skills that Subs or ppl who bought the DLC have, then they'll be forced to eventually buy the DLC in order to stand a chance in PvE & PvP

New skills should be F2P

And adding skill lines for these 2 guilds without experiencing the guilds or their stories behind it isn't an option either. How can you unlock skills and lvl them without being a part of the guild?

I have spoken
Tryxus