vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

I can now see how this is pay to win. So i will settle for potions or scrolls that give me 70% more gold from all sources. Pick up 100 gold, poof it is 170 gold. Sell something for 100k at the guild vendor. poof it is 170k.

No different then the 70% exp boost paying people can get. Since obviously that isnt pay to win. It is just convience.

There's a huge difference between someone getting to VR16 faster than you, and someone taking control of the entire market. Me getting to VR16 doesn't affect YOUR game. you level at your own pace. However, any monetary gain effects the marketplace, guild vendor prices, etc. So now the equipment YOU need is two or three times more expensive since theres SOOOO much gold out there. Also as a side note, a potion that gifted you an additional 70% is MEGA exploitable. I sell item in guild trader to a friend, for 100k, make 170k, he sells it for 170K, I buy it, he (with the potion) makes what? 289k? (I'm bad at math) and on it goes....

While I was joking about the 70%, I was mostly just using it to prove a point. So you are saying that paying for something that makes my actual character stronger faster isn't pay to win. Yet paying for something else that might be used to make my character stronger faster is definitely pay to win? You have to see why it is amusing right?

And in any game with pvp, your argument about how it doesn't affect other people is wrong.

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

ever since beta i have struggled to get ahead and have some decent gold in my account

davidtxr wrote: »

Sorry but that would be pay to win in my eyes

Asmodean wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

Asmodean wrote: »

Sylvyr wrote: »

How is this pay 2 win??? He could get the gold in game just doesn't enjoy or have time to do it. As the folks at ZoS would be quick to show this would simply be convenience .

Great idea.

The same could be said about literally anything else that's P2W. Levels?, Skill lines?, purchase AP, or CP?

But, but .. what if people don't want to spend time doing these things?. Just plop them on the cash store?. It's just "convenience" lol.

Actually yes, as nefarious as it would be it is still just a convenience factor...

While I'm against the idea simply because of how eso is structured, people need to understand the difference or rather the actual proper definition of "pay to win".

paying to expedite a grind is not p2w by defualt, but rather a morphed and mangled mentality of younger gen gamers.

P2w by its very definition was conceptualized from f2p games which offered player power via items that were not obtainable by regular in game methods. By today's mmo terms, said items would be BIS and impossible to earn in game or have any equal alternative, literally placing the player that chose to spend money at an advantage that non cash spending players could never match.

This would not be pay to win. But still since alot of valuable acc. are boe in this game, it would be a pretty scummy thing to do.

"Pay to win" may have started in the literal sense of the termination. But it has since been generalized into a basic term used, when games offer a way to pay real money for in-game items/services that cause the player who purchases the said services/items to gain advantages within the game over others who don't 'pay' for them. Or hinders players who don't make these 'real money' purchases.

Purchasing gold with real money would affect everyone who uses the said currency.

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Sounds to me like somebody trying to make an argument using literals, and paraphrasing statements to obfusticate the actual meaning of the post.

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

Asmodean wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

Asmodean wrote: »

Sylvyr wrote: »

How is this pay 2 win??? He could get the gold in game just doesn't enjoy or have time to do it. As the folks at ZoS would be quick to show this would simply be convenience .

Great idea.

The same could be said about literally anything else that's P2W. Levels?, Skill lines?, purchase AP, or CP?

But, but .. what if people don't want to spend time doing these things?. Just plop them on the cash store?. It's just "convenience" lol.

Actually yes, as nefarious as it would be it is still just a convenience factor...

While I'm against the idea simply because of how eso is structured, people need to understand the difference or rather the actual proper definition of "pay to win".

paying to expedite a grind is not p2w by defualt, but rather a morphed and mangled mentality of younger gen gamers.

P2w by its very definition was conceptualized from f2p games which offered player power via items that were not obtainable by regular in game methods. By today's mmo terms, said items would be BIS and impossible to earn in game or have any equal alternative, literally placing the player that chose to spend money at an advantage that non cash spending players could never match.

This would not be pay to win. But still since alot of valuable acc. are boe in this game, it would be a pretty scummy thing to do.

"Pay to win" may have started in the literal sense of the termination. But it has since been generalized into a basic term used, when games offer a way to pay real money for in-game items/services that cause the player who purchases the said services/items to gain advantages within the game over others who don't 'pay' for them. Or hinders players who don't make these 'real money' purchases.

Purchasing gold with real money would affect everyone who uses the said currency.

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Sounds to me like somebody trying to make an argument using literals, and paraphrasing statements to obfusticate the actual meaning of the post.

I guess when people misuse p2w, it gets under my skin.

The fact of the matter is that you have to be literal with it because otherwise you go down this ridiculous rabbit hole of what constitutes "winning" and how that varies wildly between players. Bob loves to play his mmo for the sole purpose of collecting cosmetics and vanity rewards. Nothing gives him greater joy and satisfaction then that.

Therefore in his eyes having exclusive costumes and pets in the cash shop that he cannot obtain in p2w. Frankly I'm annoyed having to even use its example but that is what ends up happening.

Swtor is alot of things but it is not pay 2 win, even though the things you can obtain from its cash shop can net you a very nice chunk of credits.

Paying to circumvent a grind is not pay 2 win period.

Um sorry but you don't the meaning of "p2w" and yes this topic may or may not be it but it still a terrible idea for if ZOS made it so you could buy gold in game with real money it would give players more gold than they know what to do with. So with extra gold hey would buy everything from the guild stores forcing them to re-stock and charge bigger prices cause they want gold too for there effort of finding the materials and that process will continue till eventually the only way to find materials is to either grind hours onto days at a time like we do now or spend real money to get in game gold to buy it from stores cause they charge way to much for it (like they do now).

So that is how players are getting p2w cause the only way to get the best end game gear would be either farm days on days (again we do now and nobody likes it) or spend real money to buy it.

Here's the scenario a player spends 50$USD to get say 5M gold they can now buy the gear and or materials they want and then say PvP. While players 2 doesn't spend real money for it and just wanna work for it like others but he/she doesn't wanna do it right now and wants to PvP so they go in. Player 2 meets player 1 and fights them players 2 thinks they'll win cause there good but ends up loosing cause the gear they are using is 5 levels below player 1s gear and is mixed between green and blue level while player 1 is full end game gold level armor.

You see how this can be a problem. It would make power gaps even bigger cause players could just buy it now while those who don't will be left further behind.