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I really think overload needs a nerf. Big time.
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✭imredneckson wrote: »Infinite12 wrote: »20-30k damage regukarly from this attack, from a class that's already op. Kinda ridiculous.
Easy ways to counter overload
DKs-reflective scales, shuffle, defensive stance, stack shields, roll dodge
Templar- shuffle, defensive stance, eclipse, stack shields, roll dodge
NB- cloak, shuffle, double take, defensive stance, stack shields, roll dodge
Sorcs-shuffle, defensive stance, stack shields, roll dodge
Why does this sound like a 1v1 perspective ? You can very well do all of this but the story changes when you're in a big fight facing multiple people. One guy is shooting overload , the other is spamming focused aim while someone else is trying to uppercut your face off.
Easy counter
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✭CatchMeTrolling wrote: »imredneckson wrote: »Infinite12 wrote: »20-30k damage regukarly from this attack, from a class that's already op. Kinda ridiculous.
Easy ways to counter overload
DKs-reflective scales, shuffle, defensive stance, stack shields, roll dodge
Templar- shuffle, defensive stance, eclipse, stack shields, roll dodge
NB- cloak, shuffle, double take, defensive stance, stack shields, roll dodge
Sorcs-shuffle, defensive stance, stack shields, roll dodge
Why does this sound like a 1v1 perspective ? You can very well do all of this but the story changes when you're in a big fight facing multiple people. One guy is shooting overload , the other is spamming focused aim while someone else is trying to uppercut your face off.
Easy counter
well if this is the case you are out of Position and should be dead anyway.
the same would happen when two are sniping you and one is wreckingblowing you.
the same would happen when two are Jesus beaming you and one is suprise attacking you#makemagickadkgreataigan
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✭✭✭✭WreckfulAbandon wrote: »Look at the facts
- It's one of the slowest moving projectiles in the game (with the exception of those undaunted orb things)
- It produces a noticeable sound when shot
- It can be reflected
- It's an ultimate
I don't play magicka sorc, at all, but I think based on these facts it's not bad as is.
You're not wrong, but it's this in addition to its other aspects that puts it over the top (mana return, third bar, huge capacity).
The ultimate is what keeps sorcs competitive in pve though. You can stack high spell damage with slightly low regen thanks to the magica return.
I don't use it in pvp. Timing a combo with ice comet if far more effective. Or dawnbreaker of smiting0 -
Decado✭✭✭✭Please stop this, overload is the only thing keeping sorcs competitive in PvE and if your dying to this in PvP it's a learn to play issue, the sorc putting on overload shows you what he's doing, it's an obvious animation and that's just switching it on, he then had to light attack you, then it has to travel to you, how much more warning do you need? If you can't dodge/ reflect that then that's your problem, and trust me when I say it hurts if you reflect it back, I don't even use it in PvP anymore, I tried it for a few days and I spent more time dodging my own attacks, yeah I killed a few noobs who stood there and took it but I could kill them without it.
As for getting hit with it in a group, this is the same as any class spamming snipe into a group, it may kill you but the sniper is also taking a risk of hitting a DK with his wings up or someone using S+B and defensive, also when your hidden in a group it's really hard to target the same person multiple times,
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✭CatchMeTrolling wrote: »imredneckson wrote: »Infinite12 wrote: »20-30k damage regukarly from this attack, from a class that's already op. Kinda ridiculous.
Easy ways to counter overload
DKs-reflective scales, shuffle, defensive stance, stack shields, roll dodge
Templar- shuffle, defensive stance, eclipse, stack shields, roll dodge
NB- cloak, shuffle, double take, defensive stance, stack shields, roll dodge
Sorcs-shuffle, defensive stance, stack shields, roll dodge
Why does this sound like a 1v1 perspective ? You can very well do all of this but the story changes when you're in a big fight facing multiple people. One guy is shooting overload , the other is spamming focused aim while someone else is trying to uppercut your face off.
Easy counter
well if this is the case you are out of Position and should be dead anyway.
the same would happen when two are sniping you and one is wreckingblowing you.
the same would happen when two are Jesus beaming you and one is suprise attacking you
There's no out of position on a open field battle, sounds like your view is one sided rather than looking at it from different perspectives but I'm not surprised.
And no the same wouldn't happen, that I know from experience. Sounds like most of you are hardly ever in big battles to be honest.
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Learn to use the environment to your advantage. If you expect to just stand in the open and not die, I really don't know what to say. See you at the other end of an overload, I guess.CatchMeTrolling wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »imredneckson wrote: »Infinite12 wrote: »20-30k damage regukarly from this attack, from a class that's already op. Kinda ridiculous.
Easy ways to counter overload
DKs-reflective scales, shuffle, defensive stance, stack shields, roll dodge
Templar- shuffle, defensive stance, eclipse, stack shields, roll dodge
NB- cloak, shuffle, double take, defensive stance, stack shields, roll dodge
Sorcs-shuffle, defensive stance, stack shields, roll dodge
Why does this sound like a 1v1 perspective ? You can very well do all of this but the story changes when you're in a big fight facing multiple people. One guy is shooting overload , the other is spamming focused aim while someone else is trying to uppercut your face off.
Easy counter
well if this is the case you are out of Position and should be dead anyway.
the same would happen when two are sniping you and one is wreckingblowing you.
the same would happen when two are Jesus beaming you and one is suprise attacking you
There's no out of position on a open field battle, sounds like your view is one sided rather than looking at it from different perspectives but I'm not surprised.
And no the same wouldn't happen, that I know from experience. Sounds like most of you are hardly ever in big battles to be honest.
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✭Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »
Learn to use the environment to your advantage. If you expect to just stand in the open and not die, I really don't know what to say. See you at the other end of an overload, I guess.CatchMeTrolling wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »imredneckson wrote: »Infinite12 wrote: »20-30k damage regukarly from this attack, from a class that's already op. Kinda ridiculous.
Easy ways to counter overload
DKs-reflective scales, shuffle, defensive stance, stack shields, roll dodge
Templar- shuffle, defensive stance, eclipse, stack shields, roll dodge
NB- cloak, shuffle, double take, defensive stance, stack shields, roll dodge
Sorcs-shuffle, defensive stance, stack shields, roll dodge
Why does this sound like a 1v1 perspective ? You can very well do all of this but the story changes when you're in a big fight facing multiple people. One guy is shooting overload , the other is spamming focused aim while someone else is trying to uppercut your face off.
Easy counter
well if this is the case you are out of Position and should be dead anyway.
the same would happen when two are sniping you and one is wreckingblowing you.
the same would happen when two are Jesus beaming you and one is suprise attacking you
There's no out of position on a open field battle, sounds like your view is one sided rather than looking at it from different perspectives but I'm not surprised.
And no the same wouldn't happen, that I know from experience. Sounds like most of you are hardly ever in big battles to be honest.
Do you not know what open field means? Nvm..
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✭CatchMeTrolling wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »imredneckson wrote: »Infinite12 wrote: »20-30k damage regukarly from this attack, from a class that's already op. Kinda ridiculous.
Easy ways to counter overload
DKs-reflective scales, shuffle, defensive stance, stack shields, roll dodge
Templar- shuffle, defensive stance, eclipse, stack shields, roll dodge
NB- cloak, shuffle, double take, defensive stance, stack shields, roll dodge
Sorcs-shuffle, defensive stance, stack shields, roll dodge
Why does this sound like a 1v1 perspective ? You can very well do all of this but the story changes when you're in a big fight facing multiple people. One guy is shooting overload , the other is spamming focused aim while someone else is trying to uppercut your face off.
Easy counter
well if this is the case you are out of Position and should be dead anyway.
the same would happen when two are sniping you and one is wreckingblowing you.
the same would happen when two are Jesus beaming you and one is suprise attacking you
There's no out of position on a open field battle, sounds like your view is one sided rather than looking at it from different perspectives but I'm not surprised.
And no the same wouldn't happen, that I know from experience. Sounds like most of you are hardly ever in big battles to be honest.
dude stop, i run through the red farm zergs at allesia brigde go to the top to the oil, cast a few skills and ultis kill a few noobs which doesnt go out of the siege and die in honor cause my Stamina is at 0#makemagickadkgreataigan
#givemeaexecute
#ineedheal
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What do you think it means? Because the way you described your fighting, I pictured you standing with a bow just plinking away without a care in world until a big bad sorc comes along.CatchMeTrolling wrote: »Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »
Learn to use the environment to your advantage. If you expect to just stand in the open and not die, I really don't know what to say. See you at the other end of an overload, I guess.CatchMeTrolling wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »imredneckson wrote: »Infinite12 wrote: »20-30k damage regukarly from this attack, from a class that's already op. Kinda ridiculous.
Easy ways to counter overload
DKs-reflective scales, shuffle, defensive stance, stack shields, roll dodge
Templar- shuffle, defensive stance, eclipse, stack shields, roll dodge
NB- cloak, shuffle, double take, defensive stance, stack shields, roll dodge
Sorcs-shuffle, defensive stance, stack shields, roll dodge
Why does this sound like a 1v1 perspective ? You can very well do all of this but the story changes when you're in a big fight facing multiple people. One guy is shooting overload , the other is spamming focused aim while someone else is trying to uppercut your face off.
Easy counter
well if this is the case you are out of Position and should be dead anyway.
the same would happen when two are sniping you and one is wreckingblowing you.
the same would happen when two are Jesus beaming you and one is suprise attacking you
There's no out of position on a open field battle, sounds like your view is one sided rather than looking at it from different perspectives but I'm not surprised.
And no the same wouldn't happen, that I know from experience. Sounds like most of you are hardly ever in big battles to be honest.
Do you not know what open field means? Nvm..
Edited by Cinnamon_Spider on January 14, 2016 12:41PMCinn #SorcLivesMatter
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✭CatchMeTrolling wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »imredneckson wrote: »Infinite12 wrote: »20-30k damage regukarly from this attack, from a class that's already op. Kinda ridiculous.
Easy ways to counter overload
DKs-reflective scales, shuffle, defensive stance, stack shields, roll dodge
Templar- shuffle, defensive stance, eclipse, stack shields, roll dodge
NB- cloak, shuffle, double take, defensive stance, stack shields, roll dodge
Sorcs-shuffle, defensive stance, stack shields, roll dodge
Why does this sound like a 1v1 perspective ? You can very well do all of this but the story changes when you're in a big fight facing multiple people. One guy is shooting overload , the other is spamming focused aim while someone else is trying to uppercut your face off.
Easy counter
well if this is the case you are out of Position and should be dead anyway.
the same would happen when two are sniping you and one is wreckingblowing you.
the same would happen when two are Jesus beaming you and one is suprise attacking you
There's no out of position on a open field battle, sounds like your view is one sided rather than looking at it from different perspectives but I'm not surprised.
And no the same wouldn't happen, that I know from experience. Sounds like most of you are hardly ever in big battles to be honest.
dude stop, i run through the red farm zergs at allesia brigde go to the top to the oil, cast a few skills and ultis kill a few noobs which doesnt go out of the siege and die in honor cause my Stamina is at 0
Cool
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✭Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »
What do you think it means? Because the way you described your fighting, I pictured you standing with a bow just plinking away without a care in world until a big bad sorc comes along.CatchMeTrolling wrote: »Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »
Learn to use the environment to your advantage. If you expect to just stand in the open and not die, I really don't know what to say. See you at the other end of an overload, I guess.CatchMeTrolling wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »imredneckson wrote: »Infinite12 wrote: »20-30k damage regukarly from this attack, from a class that's already op. Kinda ridiculous.
Easy ways to counter overload
DKs-reflective scales, shuffle, defensive stance, stack shields, roll dodge
Templar- shuffle, defensive stance, eclipse, stack shields, roll dodge
NB- cloak, shuffle, double take, defensive stance, stack shields, roll dodge
Sorcs-shuffle, defensive stance, stack shields, roll dodge
Why does this sound like a 1v1 perspective ? You can very well do all of this but the story changes when you're in a big fight facing multiple people. One guy is shooting overload , the other is spamming focused aim while someone else is trying to uppercut your face off.
Easy counter
well if this is the case you are out of Position and should be dead anyway.
the same would happen when two are sniping you and one is wreckingblowing you.
the same would happen when two are Jesus beaming you and one is suprise attacking you
There's no out of position on a open field battle, sounds like your view is one sided rather than looking at it from different perspectives but I'm not surprised.
And no the same wouldn't happen, that I know from experience. Sounds like most of you are hardly ever in big battles to be honest.
Do you not know what open field means? Nvm..
First off I'm a Templar, I wish a sorc would be so silly but at the same time I'm not one sided nor do I lack the ability to think of more than one scenario than my own.
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✭CatchMeTrolling wrote: »Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »
What do you think it means? Because the way you described your fighting, I pictured you standing with a bow just plinking away without a care in world until a big bad sorc comes along.CatchMeTrolling wrote: »Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »
Learn to use the environment to your advantage. If you expect to just stand in the open and not die, I really don't know what to say. See you at the other end of an overload, I guess.CatchMeTrolling wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »imredneckson wrote: »Infinite12 wrote: »20-30k damage regukarly from this attack, from a class that's already op. Kinda ridiculous.
Easy ways to counter overload
DKs-reflective scales, shuffle, defensive stance, stack shields, roll dodge
Templar- shuffle, defensive stance, eclipse, stack shields, roll dodge
NB- cloak, shuffle, double take, defensive stance, stack shields, roll dodge
Sorcs-shuffle, defensive stance, stack shields, roll dodge
Why does this sound like a 1v1 perspective ? You can very well do all of this but the story changes when you're in a big fight facing multiple people. One guy is shooting overload , the other is spamming focused aim while someone else is trying to uppercut your face off.
Easy counter
well if this is the case you are out of Position and should be dead anyway.
the same would happen when two are sniping you and one is wreckingblowing you.
the same would happen when two are Jesus beaming you and one is suprise attacking you
There's no out of position on a open field battle, sounds like your view is one sided rather than looking at it from different perspectives but I'm not surprised.
And no the same wouldn't happen, that I know from experience. Sounds like most of you are hardly ever in big battles to be honest.
Do you not know what open field means? Nvm..
First off I'm a Templar, I wish a sorc would be so silly but at the same time I'm not one sided nor do I lack the ability to think of more than one scenario than my own.
and you allways die cuz some random sorc is trowing some overload at you but you never die when someone is sniping you?
wth does overload have somekinde of 100% healreduction? ohhh w8 lethal arrow has.
Edited by BuggeX on January 14, 2016 12:52PM#makemagickadkgreataigan
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Everyone focuses the healer. You could get all skills nerfed and you would still be focused down. Overload isn't your issue, its the huge bullseye painted on your back.CatchMeTrolling wrote: »Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »
What do you think it means? Because the way you described your fighting, I pictured you standing with a bow just plinking away without a care in world until a big bad sorc comes along.CatchMeTrolling wrote: »Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »
Learn to use the environment to your advantage. If you expect to just stand in the open and not die, I really don't know what to say. See you at the other end of an overload, I guess.CatchMeTrolling wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »imredneckson wrote: »Infinite12 wrote: »20-30k damage regukarly from this attack, from a class that's already op. Kinda ridiculous.
Easy ways to counter overload
DKs-reflective scales, shuffle, defensive stance, stack shields, roll dodge
Templar- shuffle, defensive stance, eclipse, stack shields, roll dodge
NB- cloak, shuffle, double take, defensive stance, stack shields, roll dodge
Sorcs-shuffle, defensive stance, stack shields, roll dodge
Why does this sound like a 1v1 perspective ? You can very well do all of this but the story changes when you're in a big fight facing multiple people. One guy is shooting overload , the other is spamming focused aim while someone else is trying to uppercut your face off.
Easy counter
well if this is the case you are out of Position and should be dead anyway.
the same would happen when two are sniping you and one is wreckingblowing you.
the same would happen when two are Jesus beaming you and one is suprise attacking you
There's no out of position on a open field battle, sounds like your view is one sided rather than looking at it from different perspectives but I'm not surprised.
And no the same wouldn't happen, that I know from experience. Sounds like most of you are hardly ever in big battles to be honest.
Do you not know what open field means? Nvm..
First off I'm a Templar, I wish a sorc would be so silly but at the same time I'm not one sided nor do I lack the ability to think of more than one scenario than my own.
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✭CatchMeTrolling wrote: »Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »
What do you think it means? Because the way you described your fighting, I pictured you standing with a bow just plinking away without a care in world until a big bad sorc comes along.CatchMeTrolling wrote: »Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »
Learn to use the environment to your advantage. If you expect to just stand in the open and not die, I really don't know what to say. See you at the other end of an overload, I guess.CatchMeTrolling wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »imredneckson wrote: »Infinite12 wrote: »20-30k damage regukarly from this attack, from a class that's already op. Kinda ridiculous.
Easy ways to counter overload
DKs-reflective scales, shuffle, defensive stance, stack shields, roll dodge
Templar- shuffle, defensive stance, eclipse, stack shields, roll dodge
NB- cloak, shuffle, double take, defensive stance, stack shields, roll dodge
Sorcs-shuffle, defensive stance, stack shields, roll dodge
Why does this sound like a 1v1 perspective ? You can very well do all of this but the story changes when you're in a big fight facing multiple people. One guy is shooting overload , the other is spamming focused aim while someone else is trying to uppercut your face off.
Easy counter
well if this is the case you are out of Position and should be dead anyway.
the same would happen when two are sniping you and one is wreckingblowing you.
the same would happen when two are Jesus beaming you and one is suprise attacking you
There's no out of position on a open field battle, sounds like your view is one sided rather than looking at it from different perspectives but I'm not surprised.
And no the same wouldn't happen, that I know from experience. Sounds like most of you are hardly ever in big battles to be honest.
Do you not know what open field means? Nvm..
First off I'm a Templar, I wish a sorc would be so silly but at the same time I'm not one sided nor do I lack the ability to think of more than one scenario than my own.
and you allways die cuz some random sorc is trowing some overload at you but you never die when someone is sniping you?
wth does overload have somekinde of 100% healreduction? ohhh w8 lethal arrow has.
When did I say I die at all? Don't add your own thing because I don't agree it's always an easy counter as you would think or suggest because it isn't , simply because every battle isn't the same nor is the location.
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✭Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »
Everyone focuses the healer. You could get all skills nerfed and you would still be focused down. Overload isn't your issue, its the huge bullseye painted on your back.CatchMeTrolling wrote: »Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »
What do you think it means? Because the way you described your fighting, I pictured you standing with a bow just plinking away without a care in world until a big bad sorc comes along.CatchMeTrolling wrote: »Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »
Learn to use the environment to your advantage. If you expect to just stand in the open and not die, I really don't know what to say. See you at the other end of an overload, I guess.CatchMeTrolling wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »imredneckson wrote: »Infinite12 wrote: »20-30k damage regukarly from this attack, from a class that's already op. Kinda ridiculous.
Easy ways to counter overload
DKs-reflective scales, shuffle, defensive stance, stack shields, roll dodge
Templar- shuffle, defensive stance, eclipse, stack shields, roll dodge
NB- cloak, shuffle, double take, defensive stance, stack shields, roll dodge
Sorcs-shuffle, defensive stance, stack shields, roll dodge
Why does this sound like a 1v1 perspective ? You can very well do all of this but the story changes when you're in a big fight facing multiple people. One guy is shooting overload , the other is spamming focused aim while someone else is trying to uppercut your face off.
Easy counter
well if this is the case you are out of Position and should be dead anyway.
the same would happen when two are sniping you and one is wreckingblowing you.
the same would happen when two are Jesus beaming you and one is suprise attacking you
There's no out of position on a open field battle, sounds like your view is one sided rather than looking at it from different perspectives but I'm not surprised.
And no the same wouldn't happen, that I know from experience. Sounds like most of you are hardly ever in big battles to be honest.
Do you not know what open field means? Nvm..
First off I'm a Templar, I wish a sorc would be so silly but at the same time I'm not one sided nor do I lack the ability to think of more than one scenario than my own.
If I'm a healer trust me I'm the last person you want to focus. I'll lead the charge just so randoms can focus me, you forget Templars can be tanky as well.
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✭CatchMeTrolling wrote: »Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »
Everyone focuses the healer. You could get all skills nerfed and you would still be focused down. Overload isn't your issue, its the huge bullseye painted on your back.CatchMeTrolling wrote: »Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »
What do you think it means? Because the way you described your fighting, I pictured you standing with a bow just plinking away without a care in world until a big bad sorc comes along.CatchMeTrolling wrote: »Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »
Learn to use the environment to your advantage. If you expect to just stand in the open and not die, I really don't know what to say. See you at the other end of an overload, I guess.CatchMeTrolling wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »imredneckson wrote: »Infinite12 wrote: »20-30k damage regukarly from this attack, from a class that's already op. Kinda ridiculous.
Easy ways to counter overload
DKs-reflective scales, shuffle, defensive stance, stack shields, roll dodge
Templar- shuffle, defensive stance, eclipse, stack shields, roll dodge
NB- cloak, shuffle, double take, defensive stance, stack shields, roll dodge
Sorcs-shuffle, defensive stance, stack shields, roll dodge
Why does this sound like a 1v1 perspective ? You can very well do all of this but the story changes when you're in a big fight facing multiple people. One guy is shooting overload , the other is spamming focused aim while someone else is trying to uppercut your face off.
Easy counter
well if this is the case you are out of Position and should be dead anyway.
the same would happen when two are sniping you and one is wreckingblowing you.
the same would happen when two are Jesus beaming you and one is suprise attacking you
There's no out of position on a open field battle, sounds like your view is one sided rather than looking at it from different perspectives but I'm not surprised.
And no the same wouldn't happen, that I know from experience. Sounds like most of you are hardly ever in big battles to be honest.
Do you not know what open field means? Nvm..
First off I'm a Templar, I wish a sorc would be so silly but at the same time I'm not one sided nor do I lack the ability to think of more than one scenario than my own.
When did I say I die at all? Don't add your own thing because I don't agree it's always an easy counter as you would think or suggest because it isn't , simply because every battle isn't the same nor is the location.
so why the matter then at all?Edited by BuggeX on January 14, 2016 1:03PM#makemagickadkgreataigan
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I regularly play a magicka Templar, so I'm pretty familiar with them. But when fighting a group, you need to take the healer down, or your DPS means nothing.CatchMeTrolling wrote: »Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »
Everyone focuses the healer. You could get all skills nerfed and you would still be focused down. Overload isn't your issue, its the huge bullseye painted on your back.CatchMeTrolling wrote: »Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »
What do you think it means? Because the way you described your fighting, I pictured you standing with a bow just plinking away without a care in world until a big bad sorc comes along.CatchMeTrolling wrote: »Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »
Learn to use the environment to your advantage. If you expect to just stand in the open and not die, I really don't know what to say. See you at the other end of an overload, I guess.CatchMeTrolling wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »imredneckson wrote: »Infinite12 wrote: »20-30k damage regukarly from this attack, from a class that's already op. Kinda ridiculous.
Easy ways to counter overload
DKs-reflective scales, shuffle, defensive stance, stack shields, roll dodge
Templar- shuffle, defensive stance, eclipse, stack shields, roll dodge
NB- cloak, shuffle, double take, defensive stance, stack shields, roll dodge
Sorcs-shuffle, defensive stance, stack shields, roll dodge
Why does this sound like a 1v1 perspective ? You can very well do all of this but the story changes when you're in a big fight facing multiple people. One guy is shooting overload , the other is spamming focused aim while someone else is trying to uppercut your face off.
Easy counter
well if this is the case you are out of Position and should be dead anyway.
the same would happen when two are sniping you and one is wreckingblowing you.
the same would happen when two are Jesus beaming you and one is suprise attacking you
There's no out of position on a open field battle, sounds like your view is one sided rather than looking at it from different perspectives but I'm not surprised.
And no the same wouldn't happen, that I know from experience. Sounds like most of you are hardly ever in big battles to be honest.
Do you not know what open field means? Nvm..
First off I'm a Templar, I wish a sorc would be so silly but at the same time I'm not one sided nor do I lack the ability to think of more than one scenario than my own.
If I'm a healer trust me I'm the last person you want to focus. I'll lead the charge just so randoms can focus me, you forget Templars can be tanky as well.
When I group up with my PVP guild on my sorc, my main job for the group is to focus healers.
Edited by Cinnamon_Spider on January 14, 2016 1:16PMCinn #SorcLivesMatter
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✭CatchMeTrolling wrote: »Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »
Everyone focuses the healer. You could get all skills nerfed and you would still be focused down. Overload isn't your issue, its the huge bullseye painted on your back.CatchMeTrolling wrote: »Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »
What do you think it means? Because the way you described your fighting, I pictured you standing with a bow just plinking away without a care in world until a big bad sorc comes along.CatchMeTrolling wrote: »Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »
Learn to use the environment to your advantage. If you expect to just stand in the open and not die, I really don't know what to say. See you at the other end of an overload, I guess.CatchMeTrolling wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »imredneckson wrote: »Infinite12 wrote: »20-30k damage regukarly from this attack, from a class that's already op. Kinda ridiculous.
Easy ways to counter overload
DKs-reflective scales, shuffle, defensive stance, stack shields, roll dodge
Templar- shuffle, defensive stance, eclipse, stack shields, roll dodge
NB- cloak, shuffle, double take, defensive stance, stack shields, roll dodge
Sorcs-shuffle, defensive stance, stack shields, roll dodge
Why does this sound like a 1v1 perspective ? You can very well do all of this but the story changes when you're in a big fight facing multiple people. One guy is shooting overload , the other is spamming focused aim while someone else is trying to uppercut your face off.
Easy counter
well if this is the case you are out of Position and should be dead anyway.
the same would happen when two are sniping you and one is wreckingblowing you.
the same would happen when two are Jesus beaming you and one is suprise attacking you
There's no out of position on a open field battle, sounds like your view is one sided rather than looking at it from different perspectives but I'm not surprised.
And no the same wouldn't happen, that I know from experience. Sounds like most of you are hardly ever in big battles to be honest.
Do you not know what open field means? Nvm..
First off I'm a Templar, I wish a sorc would be so silly but at the same time I'm not one sided nor do I lack the ability to think of more than one scenario than my own.
When did I say I die at all? Don't add your own thing because I don't agree it's always an easy counter as you would think or suggest because it isn't , simply because every battle isn't the same nor is the location.
so why the matter then at all?
Well maybe because I know every scenario isnt the same therefore someone saying it's an easy counter just tells me they're looking at it from one perspective.
I can sit here and be a know it all saying "oh you can just los" but that would just mean I'm acting as if I'll always be able to do so, albeit that isn't the case. I can say you can do this & that but everyone doesn't run the same bars or I can act as if you're never put into a position where you're outnumbered so it isn't as "easy" to counter when you're also countering more than one person.
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Explaining the many counters to a skill is not creating a one sided argument.CatchMeTrolling wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »
Everyone focuses the healer. You could get all skills nerfed and you would still be focused down. Overload isn't your issue, its the huge bullseye painted on your back.CatchMeTrolling wrote: »Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »
What do you think it means? Because the way you described your fighting, I pictured you standing with a bow just plinking away without a care in world until a big bad sorc comes along.CatchMeTrolling wrote: »Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »
Learn to use the environment to your advantage. If you expect to just stand in the open and not die, I really don't know what to say. See you at the other end of an overload, I guess.CatchMeTrolling wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »imredneckson wrote: »Infinite12 wrote: »20-30k damage regukarly from this attack, from a class that's already op. Kinda ridiculous.
Easy ways to counter overload
DKs-reflective scales, shuffle, defensive stance, stack shields, roll dodge
Templar- shuffle, defensive stance, eclipse, stack shields, roll dodge
NB- cloak, shuffle, double take, defensive stance, stack shields, roll dodge
Sorcs-shuffle, defensive stance, stack shields, roll dodge
Why does this sound like a 1v1 perspective ? You can very well do all of this but the story changes when you're in a big fight facing multiple people. One guy is shooting overload , the other is spamming focused aim while someone else is trying to uppercut your face off.
Easy counter
well if this is the case you are out of Position and should be dead anyway.
the same would happen when two are sniping you and one is wreckingblowing you.
the same would happen when two are Jesus beaming you and one is suprise attacking you
There's no out of position on a open field battle, sounds like your view is one sided rather than looking at it from different perspectives but I'm not surprised.
And no the same wouldn't happen, that I know from experience. Sounds like most of you are hardly ever in big battles to be honest.
Do you not know what open field means? Nvm..
First off I'm a Templar, I wish a sorc would be so silly but at the same time I'm not one sided nor do I lack the ability to think of more than one scenario than my own.
When did I say I die at all? Don't add your own thing because I don't agree it's always an easy counter as you would think or suggest because it isn't , simply because every battle isn't the same nor is the location.
so why the matter then at all?
Well maybe because I know every scenario isnt the same therefore someone saying it's an easy counter just tells me they're looking at it from one perspective.
I can sit here and be a know it all saying "oh you can just los" but that would just mean I'm acting as if I'll always be able to do so, albeit that isn't the case. I can say you can do this & that but everyone doesn't run the same bars or I can act as if you're never put into a position where you're outnumbered so it isn't as "easy" to counter when you're also countering more than one person.
That's the point, to not give a one sided opinion.
It is because of these counters that most other sorcs I know refuse to run Overload in PVP. I've been told multiple times that only scrubs use it and only scrubs die to it.Cinn #SorcLivesMatter
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✭u didnt undertand me right, why the matter at all with overload beeing to strong when in all case you dont die.
overload is easy to avoid in 1v1, overload will make high pressure if you are outnummbered, but any other spamable dmg skill will do the same as overload.
1 Jesus beam will harm me more than 1 overload, cause im a dk and can flap it back, you as a temp can purge the Jesus beam, i also dont yell arround nerf Jesus beam ist to stronk when im outnumbered, would you like a nerfed Jesus beam?#makemagickadkgreataigan
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✭u didnt undertand me right, why the matter at all with overload beeing to strong when in all case you dont die.
overload is easy to avoid in 1v1, overload will make high pressure if you are outnummbered, but any other spamable dmg skill will do the same as overload.
1 Jesus beam will harm me more than 1 overload, cause im a dk and can flap it back, you as a temp can purge the Jesus beam, i also dont yell arround nerf Jesus beam ist to stronk when im outnumbered, would you like a nerfed Jesus beam?
Jesus beam is nowhere near its former glory, I don't even slot this move anymore. Go ahead nerf it , it's nothing like pre 1.6, wouldn't be a surprise if they nerfed it anyways. All the best Templar moves get nerfed...
By the way I never agreed about nerfing it.Edited by CatchMeTrolling on January 14, 2016 1:34PM0 -
Barlthump✭✭✭avid_mdb16_ESO wrote: »Infinite12 wrote: »20-30k damage regukarly from this attack, from a class that's already op. Kinda ridiculous.
The Ultra High damage is OK. What is not OK is ultra high damage and ultra high survivability on top of that.
I'll gladly have Overload damage reduced to 0 for ultra high survivability.
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✭I have way more problems with Focused Aim/heavy sneak attack, gap closers immobilize spam and the Uppercuts in PvP. They aren't even Ultimates like Overload, but kills me way faster.
So I dont get is why Overload is the problem. It's also mitigated by CP and has no secondary effects or cc. I just spam light armor shield personally if I cant LoS or need to save stamina.
Overload is also cursed by the "projectile travelling times v.s performance v.s moving targets" phenomena in PvP. Half the time the bolt wont even reach or connect to it's target.
But I do think Overload is a bit over-tuned in PvE. It allows even mediocre dps to use force tactics on bosses and ignore mechanics. Like, if you want use force tactic with other classes the dps needs to be tight with perfectly timed rotation. Sorc's can suck and still pull it of as long as they saved 1000 ulti. But it's not like the NPC's are going to complain about it lol.
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✭✭✭✭Johngo0036 wrote: »@DannyLV702 - lol.. don't cast it towards DK's or anyone running Defensive posture..
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You Will NUKE yourself.
This is probably the best thing about playing a DK aside from dragon leap. I have gotten some decent players to overload themselves to death.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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✭timidobserver wrote: »Johngo0036 wrote: »@DannyLV702 - lol.. don't cast it towards DK's or anyone running Defensive posture..
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You Will NUKE yourself.
This is probably the best thing about playing a DK aside from dragon leap. I have gotten some decent players to overload themselves to death.
the funniest Thing about beeing dk is when a few of a zerg castin at the same time Meteor at you and you wipe them all
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