When Does Vamprism Get a Buff?

Valrien · January 2016

Honest question. It's pretty underwhelming at the moment. Undeath passive doesn't work, Unnatural Resistance requires skills to be slotted (only one of which is worth it), Elusive Mist gives 75% damage reduction and some movement speed, but you can't block, sprint, attack, or dodge (CC immunity barely works), Drain is a "meh" skill but I suppose it's not THAT bad, and the main two redeeming factors are either morph of Bat Swarm and the Dark Stalker passive...yet those benefits are outweighed by the prevalence of the powerful Fighters' Guild abilities, the lack of health regen (detrimental to some builds, useless to others), and the weakness to fire which is a very comm damage type.

So I ask you guys, are buffs to vampirism being talked about by ZOS or could @ZOS_GinaBruno chime in? Is there any word on making the form more of a benefit than a drawback? I get that there have to be downsides but it seems like there's just too many. I continue to remain a vampire as I have since launch and this is the first time in two years I've contemplated dropping it....

DHale · January 2016

Can't wait for new siege fire, vamp should gone by... Three months ago.

Refuse2GrowUp · January 2016

Generally speaking, Vampires are powerful enough. I agree that the two regular skills need to be overhauled. However, Bats and sneak more than make Vamps a powerful option

Molag_Crow · January 2016

Not to mention that Mist Form's 75% damage taken is not working correctly, it's acting as if it's reducing damage taken by about 30% instead.... I can tell the difference from before and after IC.

Oh and the fact that you're so visible and gap-closer-spammable now while Mist Form, sucks too.

RAGUNAnoOne · January 2016

CrowsDescend wrote: »

Not to mention that Mist Form's 75% damage taken is not working correctly, it's acting as if it's reducing damage taken by about 30% instead.... I can tell the difference from before and after IC.

Oh and the fact that you're so visable and gap-closer-spammable now while Mist Form, sucks too.

UGH did you REALLY have to use that term @CrowsDescend

But at least remove the restriction on supernatural recovery unlike werewolves vampires ALWAYS have their negatives

Molag_Crow · January 2016

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

Not to mention that Mist Form's 75% damage taken is not working correctly, it's acting as if it's reducing damage taken by about 30% instead.... I can tell the difference from before and after IC.

Oh and the fact that you're so visable and gap-closer-spammable now while Mist Form, sucks too.

UGH did you REALLY have to use that term @CrowsDescend

But at least remove the restriction on supernatural recovery unlike werewolves vampires ALWAYS have their negatives

Which?... Gap-closer?!

hah

WalkingLegacy · January 2016

2000 and never

RAGUNAnoOne · January 2016

CrowsDescend wrote: »

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

Not to mention that Mist Form's 75% damage taken is not working correctly, it's acting as if it's reducing damage taken by about 30% instead.... I can tell the difference from before and after IC.

Oh and the fact that you're so visable and gap-closer-spammable now while Mist Form, sucks too.

UGH did you REALLY have to use that term @CrowsDescend

But at least remove the restriction on supernatural recovery unlike werewolves vampires ALWAYS have their negatives

Which?... Gap-closer?! hah

yea that is a swear to nighblades so no cussing'

PS I don't use teleport strike

Xjcon · January 2016

Death recap.

Steel Tornado
Steel Tornado
Bat Swarm
Steel Tornado
Bat Swarm

Should I say more?

leepalmer95 · January 2016

Xjcon wrote: »

Death recap.

Steel Tornado
Steel Tornado
Bat Swarm
Steel Tornado
Bat Swarm

Should I say more?

death recap:

Camo hunter

or death recap

Dawnbreaker

Need i say more.

Valrien · January 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Xjcon wrote: »

Death recap.

Steel Tornado
Steel Tornado
Bat Swarm
Steel Tornado
Bat Swarm

Should I say more?

death recap:

Camo hunter

or death recap

Dawnbreaker

Need i say more.

What he said. Bat Swarm is okay...that recap could just as easily be two more steel tornadoes and it'd be essentially the same (maybe even better).

DannyLV702 · January 2016

Xjcon wrote: »

Death recap.

Steel Tornado
Steel Tornado
Bat Swarm
Steel Tornado
Bat Swarm

Should I say more?

At least you have a chance to get away or heal. I don't even get a chance to react to camo hunter.

ShadowHvo · January 2016

Hopefully soon..

God, I wish and long for the day that ESO gives us the option to become a real TES vampire, and not only this watered-down version of a ES vampire.

One day.. hopefully.

Refuse2GrowUp · January 2016

DannyLV702 wrote: »

At least you have a chance to get away or heal. I don't even get a chance to react to camo hunter.

Magica Det + Bats + (insert your favorite aoe) can already wipe out a small zerg. You want to be able to do this without any weaknesses?! Really wish everyone would stop whining about Camo Hunter. In the patch notes for PCs patch a day or two ago, it mentioned they fixed whatever the 'double proc' issue was. Beyond that, everyone whining about Camo Hunter really needs to get off their soap box. Vampires can put together the most powerful burst combos in game. Sorry you have a weakness while doing so~

Thevampirenight · January 2016

I would like to see two more vampire abilties added to the skill line, then them giving vampires like 25 precent physical resistance for all stages then making vampires fire weakness 50% They need to add a disease system that adds diseases you can catch and vampires and werewolves would be immune to this, they could add so many diseases that could get worse over time if not cured they could add vampire dust as an ingredent for cure disease potions.

Wollust · January 2016

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

At least you have a chance to get away or heal. I don't even get a chance to react to camo hunter.

Magica Det + Bats + (insert your favorite aoe) can already wipe out a small zerg. You want to be able to do this without any weaknesses?! Really wish everyone would stop whining about Camo Hunter. In the patch notes for PCs patch a day or two ago, it mentioned they fixed whatever the 'double proc' issue was. Beyond that, everyone whining about Camo Hunter really needs to get off their soap box. Vampires can put together the most powerful burst combos in game. Sorry you have a weakness while doing so~

They failed to fix it. Just so you know. Camo hunter is completely broken, it can't be said differently. And yes, I know because I get one shotted more often than it's healthy and I do the exact same on my stamblade and one shot any vampire. That's not how it should work.

And the fighters guild skill line is massively overpowered against vampires currently. You have 3 active skills that are able to take a big part of a vampires (or transformed werewolf) health in one attack. Then you have a passive that gives you 9% more spell/weapondamage against vampires and werewolfs. Plus vampires have permanent fire weakness, which is quite massive located at 25%.

Vampires have multiple weaknesses while having not much else going for them. They definitely need some weaknesses, batswarm is powerful after all, but currently it's way too much. If at least supernatural recovery would apply without having to slot a skill, that would already help a bit.

Gilvoth · January 2016

i would love to be able to feed on people without having to go into sneak to do it, and during combat while facing them, And for it to actually cause serious damage and stunn.
and also: if the enemy lets me drink away all thier health and they die, that would be awesome also

Waseem · January 2016

CrowsDescend wrote: »

Not to mention that Mist Form's 75% damage taken is not working correctly, it's acting as if it's reducing damage taken by about 30% instead.... I can tell the difference from before and after IC.

Oh and the fact that you're so visible and gap-closer-spammable now while Mist Form, sucks too.

can i see your tests?

Shunravi · January 2016

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

i would love to be able to feed on people without having to go into sneak to do it, and during combat while facing them, And for it to actually cause serious damage and stunn.
and also: if the enemy lets me drink away all thier health and they die, that would be awesome also

yea, drain essence is a fun skill

Gilvoth · January 2016

Shunravi wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

i would love to be able to feed on people without having to go into sneak to do it, and during combat while facing them, And for it to actually cause serious damage and stunn.
and also: if the enemy lets me drink away all thier health and they die, that would be awesome also

yea, drain essence is a fun skill

no its not, and no, thats not what i was asking for.

i was asking for a new skill we dont have.

Knootewoot · January 2016

I don't care about the weaknesses and that camohunter is strong . I only wish the passives work correctly and that dawnbreaker of smithing cost more ultimate. It's a cheap nuke button now.

"Oh you almost loose from a melee vampire? Just press dawnbreaker of smithing". And then it feels like:

With 23k health your just.... dust.

Shunravi · January 2016

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

i would love to be able to feed on people without having to go into sneak to do it, and during combat while facing them, And for it to actually cause serious damage and stunn.
and also: if the enemy lets me drink away all thier health and they die, that would be awesome also

yea, drain essence is a fun skill

no its not, and no, thats not what i was asking for.

i was asking for a new skill we dont have.

well, its 3 out of 5 for what you were saying.... just saying...

Gilvoth · January 2016

Shunravi wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

i would love to be able to feed on people without having to go into sneak to do it, and during combat while facing them, And for it to actually cause serious damage and stunn.
and also: if the enemy lets me drink away all thier health and they die, that would be awesome also

yea, drain essence is a fun skill

no its not, and no, thats not what i was asking for.

i was asking for a new skill we dont have.

well, its 3 out of 5 for what you were saying.... just saying...

it does not do what i asked for, none of the things i asked for does it do.

Shunravi · January 2016

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

i would love to be able to feed on people without having to go into sneak to do it, and during combat while facing them, And for it to actually cause serious damage and stunn.
and also: if the enemy lets me drink away all thier health and they die, that would be awesome also

yea, drain essence is a fun skill

no its not, and no, thats not what i was asking for.

i was asking for a new skill we dont have.

well, its 3 out of 5 for what you were saying.... just saying...

it does not do what i asked for, none of the things i asked for does it do.

1. its a feed (graphically at least imo. from the hand, whatever)
2. its during combat (while facing them or not)
3. it stuns

it doesnt

4.cause serious damage
5.drink away all their health and they die

3/5

Gilvoth · January 2016

drain essence is weak and i hate the way it looks and acts during combat.
i have spent a long time trying to get into sneak during pvp battles with long enough time to actually be exactly behind a person while thier moving to get a perfect feed and it just really really hard.
so im asking for the following:

i would love to be able to feed on people without having to go into sneak to do it, and during combat while facing them
[for example]
grab them while facing them and bite into thier neck and feed

And for it to actually cause serious damage and stunn.
and also: if the enemy lets me drink away all thier health and they die, that would be awesome also

also: drain essence does not register that i fed on some one.
so the new skill would need to read that i did feed on some one.

Shunravi · January 2016

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

drain essence is weak and i hate the way it looks and acts during combat.
i have spent a long time trying to get into sneak during pvp battles with long enough time to actually be exactly behind a person while thier moving to get a perfect feed and it just really really hard.
so im asking for the following:

i would love to be able to feed on people without having to go into sneak to do it, and during combat while facing them, And for it to actually cause serious damage and stunn.
and also: if the enemy lets me drink away all thier health and they die, that would be awesome also

also: drain essence does not register that i fed on some one.
so the new skill would need to read that i did feed on some one.

I agree. Just had waaaay to much fun with that. sorry

Though I have had some amazing fun with the regular feed, it is indeed hard to line it up well. And it does no damage. But oh so fun when done right

To keep it from being to op, or maybe to implement it in the first place, how about some kind of mark that another skill applies. this mark will be called 'thralled' or something, and will allow for a lifedrain like you suggest?

Whatever is implemented, what you suggest is a very powerful skill. It needs to be able to be countered by more than just break free. So a purgeable mark, or even an ally activated break free synergy would go a ways to balance it while still doing what you want. What you are asking for here is a blend between agony/petrify and the healing morph of radiant destruction, radiant glory.

Brrrofski · January 2016

I think they're fine. The broken stuff needs fixing though. I still get targeted in Clouding swarm despite being "invisible".

Mist form doesn't mitigate the correct amount of damage.

Undead passive is broken.

I honestly don't find FG abilities to bad. But then again the vamp i mainly use is a magica NB, so good luck seeing me

Valrien · January 2016

Brrrofski wrote: »

I think they're fine. The broken stuff needs fixing though. I still get targeted in Clouding swarm despite being "invisible".

Mist form doesn't mitigate the correct amount of damage.

Undead passive is broken.

I honestly don't find FG abilities to bad. But then again the vamp i mainly use is a magica NB, so good luck seeing me

Honestly the FG abilities are pretty bad. Dawnbreakers from magicka NBs or magicka Templars (people who steal magic damage a lot) will do upwards of 20k and above, and from everyone else they can still hit for 17k+. And then Camo Hunter...which never got fixed, and then Silver Shards. Not had much experience with it but I'm told it hits pretty hard.

Valrien · January 2016

Can't edit my previous post on original, "bad" as in they're a problem. Currently they're too good :P

vamp_emily · January 2016

DHale wrote: »

Can't wait for new siege fire, vamp should gone by... Three months ago.

I will never be gone. Watch out for my bats because they don't like you.

Sallington · January 2016

God forbid a playstyle have a hard counter.

And people seem to always overlook one of the best passives in the whole game: sneak speed.

Or Elusive Mist for Templars and DKs since they have no class escapes.