AP Should be bankable

TheShadowScout · January 2016

Ourorboros wrote: »

I could buy the "AP=aid the war effort" if you could only buy items from the quartermaster with AP. But you can also use gold.

So? You think no quatermaster in history (especially in hisotry, before things got all reglemented and documented) has given out something for a bit of gold in their palm??

Ourorboros wrote: »

This does not address the core of the thread, that an ACCOUNT has enough AP over several characters to purchase something like a 500k AP Akavari motif, but not enough on a single character.

Ah, so you want account wide AP... you mean, like when your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate makes it to the rank of general, you get the same benefits??
Doesn't work that way.
Even worse, AP earned on different alliances would technically counter each other. Imagine IF AP were a currency, and you tried to pay the AD quatermaster with EP coin. Your character would be spending the rest of their gamelife being "questioned" in Ayrenns dungeon...

Ourorboros wrote: »

Would you feel differently if having account wide AP allowed you to be able to buy upcoming Monster Helms that are likely to be 1000k AP?

And nope, I wouldn't.
For me its about the principle, not any PvP stuff, or PvE stuff.
ESO already offers more account wide stuff then any other game I played, and will give out even more come the final champion phase. If it went beyond that, it'd leech all the effort out of it, give people their rewards far too easily, and then we'd get all the "nothing to do" and "boring" and "f'#@k this, I'm outta here" threads.

Smolt · January 2016

Ap, like all the other currencies... Should be bankable. It'd be great to be able to switch to whatever character would benefit the group your running with without having to consider the need to amass large sums of ap for a high ticket item.

bowmanz607 · January 2016

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Ourorboros wrote: »

I could buy the "AP=aid the war effort" if you could only buy items from the quartermaster with AP. But you can also use gold.

So? You think no quatermaster in history (especially in hisotry, before things got all reglemented and documented) has given out something for a bit of gold in their palm??

Ourorboros wrote: »

This does not address the core of the thread, that an ACCOUNT has enough AP over several characters to purchase something like a 500k AP Akavari motif, but not enough on a single character.

Ah, so you want account wide AP... you mean, like when your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate makes it to the rank of general, you get the same benefits??
Doesn't work that way.
Even worse, AP earned on different alliances would technically counter each other. Imagine IF AP were a currency, and you tried to pay the AD quatermaster with EP coin. Your character would be spending the rest of their gamelife being "questioned" in Ayrenns dungeon...

Ourorboros wrote: »

Would you feel differently if having account wide AP allowed you to be able to buy upcoming Monster Helms that are likely to be 1000k AP?

And nope, I wouldn't.
For me its about the principle, not any PvP stuff, or PvE stuff.
ESO already offers more account wide stuff then any other game I played, and will give out even more come the final champion phase. If it went beyond that, it'd leech all the effort out of it, give people their rewards far too easily, and then we'd get all the "nothing to do" and "boring" and "f'#@k this, I'm outta here" threads.

just to be clear this thread is not advocating for ranks and skills unlocked on one toon should be transferable to others. Just the AP as currency.

Also, what if all your toons are on one alliance? Then there would be no issue of a quarter master needing to take ep "coin"

Sharee · January 2016

UrQuan wrote: »

I think the reason AP can't be banked is because you could have characters in different alliances, and they didn't want it to be possible for you to go and do a ton of PVP on your AD character, bank the AP, and then have your DC character take out all of the AP and buy a ton of stuff to use in order to do PVP against AD.

Right now, you can earn tons of AP on AD character, buy ton of stuff for it with the AD character, bank it, then pick it up with your DC character and use it against AD.

There is nothing that the AD character could by with AP that wouldn't be shared between all characters on the account anyway.

dodgehopper_ESO · January 2016

bowmanz607 wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

I think the reason AP can't be banked is because you could have characters in different alliances, and they didn't want it to be possible for you to go and do a ton of PVP on your AD character, bank the AP, and then have your DC character take out all of the AP and buy a ton of stuff to use in order to do PVP against AD.

Now is that a legitimate issue? Beats me. I don't PVP enough to really have an informed opinion on this matter.

in your situation a player could simply buy the items on the AD toon and then bank the items for the DC toon. That said, this issue wouldnt make sense. Why limit a player because they chose a different faction. That is the point of the game. To play differently and switch factions if you so choose to.

I have to agree with bowman. If they didn't want people to play on different factions they shouldn't have let us make characters on multiple factions. That being said I really wish all of my alts were on one faction. My reason for having alts in another faction were to play with friends in the early game. After all the character development I've done there is no way I would delete anything... but it still hurts. I really wish I could buy approximately 4 more character slots too, which is slightly related (I have other reasons for wanting more slots as well, either for different race-class mixes, or to have a stam/mag build for each class, which I currently do not).

UrQuan · January 2016

Sharee wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

I think the reason AP can't be banked is because you could have characters in different alliances, and they didn't want it to be possible for you to go and do a ton of PVP on your AD character, bank the AP, and then have your DC character take out all of the AP and buy a ton of stuff to use in order to do PVP against AD.

Right now, you can earn tons of AP on AD character, buy ton of stuff for it with the AD character, bank it, then pick it up with your DC character and use it against AD.

There is nothing that the AD character could by with AP that wouldn't be shared between all characters on the account anyway.

Aren't siege weapons faction-specific? And I know forward camps used to be faction-specific and couldn't be banked.

bowmanz607 · January 2016

UrQuan wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

I think the reason AP can't be banked is because you could have characters in different alliances, and they didn't want it to be possible for you to go and do a ton of PVP on your AD character, bank the AP, and then have your DC character take out all of the AP and buy a ton of stuff to use in order to do PVP against AD.

Right now, you can earn tons of AP on AD character, buy ton of stuff for it with the AD character, bank it, then pick it up with your DC character and use it against AD.

There is nothing that the AD character could by with AP that wouldn't be shared between all characters on the account anyway.

Aren't siege weapons faction-specific? And I know forward camps used to be faction-specific and couldn't be banked.

forward camps and siege are bankable

Decado · January 2016

This used to be a non issue when it was just siege weapons and things like that, but now they are making AP a proper currency with the motifs and gear becoming as expensive as they are, most of us are expecting this vendor to be outrageously overpriced and it would punish people for playing alts, people will stop playing Pvp for fun and start playing for the items, they will think I have to stay on my main I need to earn 500k more to buy the head piece I want and if I used my alt it would be time wasted,

I would much rather, I fancy playing on my sorc today, or maybe I wanna play a healer for a while and not have to worry about which char I'm earning the AP on,

I know some people need the grind to feel like they are working towards something and that's fine a perfectly valid way of measuring your progress, but it's not for us all, I would feel a fool if these head/shoulders cost a million AP, I have about 7 million AP and couldn't even buy one set piece.

Long story short, they want to make AP an actual currency to buy your end game gear with you should be able to bank it.

As for people saying max CP chars running around BwB I would suggest that since ZoS has plans to make a non CP campaign I think BwB should be non CP as standard, it's a low level
Beginners campaign last thing they need is to be farmed by high CP chars with OP battle levelling

Sheezabeast · January 2016

I want AP to be bankable but be accessed by your characters in that faction. I could have my EP characters share AP and my DC sides could share their AP. My EP couldn't access my DC AP, I think that makes it fair.

UrQuan · January 2016

bowmanz607 wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

I think the reason AP can't be banked is because you could have characters in different alliances, and they didn't want it to be possible for you to go and do a ton of PVP on your AD character, bank the AP, and then have your DC character take out all of the AP and buy a ton of stuff to use in order to do PVP against AD.

Right now, you can earn tons of AP on AD character, buy ton of stuff for it with the AD character, bank it, then pick it up with your DC character and use it against AD.

There is nothing that the AD character could by with AP that wouldn't be shared between all characters on the account anyway.

Aren't siege weapons faction-specific? And I know forward camps used to be faction-specific and couldn't be banked.

forward camps and siege are bankable

Hmm, well there was something I couldn't do with my forward camps way back when i had a couple and was trying to manage my inventory. Maybe you can't withdraw them on a character of the wrong alliance? I don't know, I ended up destroying them. I probably could have sold them, but whatever.

wayfarerx · January 2016

They let you bank tel var stones. You can farm up a bunch of TV on AD and then turn around and buy EP-themed gear with it. Don't see why you can't do the same with AP.

Pchela · January 2016

I have a rank 50 NB who's ready to take a well earned pvp vacation. He has the most AP on him, and with the annoucement of the purchasable monster helms, I wish I could put his AP in the bank to combine it with my other alts' AP gains. For now I play my NB to hoard more AP in the hopes that the prices won't be too high, but want to be on safe side.

bowmanz607 · January 2016

Sheezabeast wrote: »

I want AP to be bankable but be accessed by your characters in that faction. I could have my EP characters share AP and my DC sides could share their AP. My EP couldn't access my DC AP, I think that makes it fair.

why? what is the reasoning for keeping ap per faction toon?

Sheezabeast · January 2016

I just think it would be fair that's all, I would feel a little weird buying stuff on my EP that my DC earned, so segregating the bank into faction AP makes sense to me.

Sharee · January 2016

UrQuan wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

I think the reason AP can't be banked is because you could have characters in different alliances, and they didn't want it to be possible for you to go and do a ton of PVP on your AD character, bank the AP, and then have your DC character take out all of the AP and buy a ton of stuff to use in order to do PVP against AD.

Right now, you can earn tons of AP on AD character, buy ton of stuff for it with the AD character, bank it, then pick it up with your DC character and use it against AD.

There is nothing that the AD character could by with AP that wouldn't be shared between all characters on the account anyway.

Aren't siege weapons faction-specific? And I know forward camps used to be faction-specific and couldn't be banked.

forward camps and siege are bankable

Hmm, well there was something I couldn't do with my forward camps way back when i had a couple and was trying to manage my inventory. Maybe you can't withdraw them on a character of the wrong alliance? I don't know, I ended up destroying them. I probably could have sold them, but whatever.

As far as i know, the only thing that isn't bankable(that you can buy with AP) are unopened PvP bags.

Brrrofski · January 2016

I hope they do before the monster helm come in.

I pvp with 6 characters. I earn the ap fair an square. So I earn bits on all of them.

I wouldn't even mind if the bounties/capture quests were capped at 4 per account rather than character, so people won't feel they are being punished for having one toon.

Brrrofski · January 2016

Lenikus wrote: »

Good things that come from this :
You can farm ap in non-vet with your 501 CP lv 40 magicka nightblade, then bank the earnings for you to buy the Vr16 stuff that's coming.

Bad Things that come from this :
People WILL farm ap in non-vet with a 501 CP lv 40 magicka nightblade, then bank the earnings for them to buy the Vr16 stuff that's coming.

Can't speak for pc or ps4, but it doesn't work on xbox.

People are easy to kill, but it takes forever to find people, forever to siege anything because nobody has siege, nobody has soul gems to res you so it's a long ride back.

The ap gain is way lower than taking your noob into a proper campaign and just spamming heals.

Islyn · January 2016

TheShadowScout wrote: »

I always saw AP as a mere clumsy way for the game to represent "requisitions". The more you aid the war effort, the more you get to requisition from the military quatermaster.

Now... how'd you bank "aiding the war reffort"???

PvP for the AP, buy the stuff you want, bank the stuff you want, withdraw it on the alt you want it for. Problem solved.

UNLESS YOU HAVE IT SPREAD OVER SEVERAL CHARACTERS. All they want to do is consolidate their spread out AP.

Actual problem not even remotely solved.

Xantaria · January 2016

no.

DRXHarbinger · January 2016

No it shouldn't be. All that means is getting on your magika class spamming mutagen at a siege raking in 10s of k AP and transferring it to a stam player where it's harder to earn.
Like all PVP boys say...earn it.

Septimus_Magna · January 2016

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

No it shouldn't be. All that means is getting on your magika class spamming mutagen at a siege raking in 10s of k AP and transferring it to a stam player where it's harder to earn.
Like all PVP boys say...earn it.

If I earn 250k on my sorcs and 250k on my NB why cant I buy something thats worth 500k AP?

Following your logic there's also need to make gold bankable, just earn it with the char you will spend it with.

Also if you make a new char and want to pvp, you need to enter a campaign on you main, buy siege, bank the siege, relog to your new char and take the siege out of the bank before you can use it. It would be a lot easier if you could just take AP out of the bank and buy siege.

Olivierko · January 2016

Agreed, seems like a good idea.

After all, the Tel Var stones are bankable and the direction the game is going regarding currencies with gold and tel var stones seems to fit into the same scope as for alliance points.

tennant94 · January 2016

I agree. I have 1m on one character and 1m on another so if the monster helms are like 2m i'm screwed

leepalmer95 · January 2016

Seems like a good idea with no real downsides, i'd like that as well always feel like the ap i get on alts isn't going to be used because there all sitting at about 300k ap while my sorc is at nearly 1m.

TX12001rwb17_ESO · January 2016

With this though people could theoretically use this to gain emperor ship by gaining AP and banking it away just before the campaign ends so they do not lose it and the moment the campaign resets they grab it back out and then instant 5 million AP above everyone else and all they need to do is take the emperor keeps which from my experience all you need is 2 or 3 skilled players to take one. then once they do that they are crowned emperor of cyrodiil.

If Zenimax did this we would have people running around with 1,000,000,000 AP and if you are just starting out you may never ever be emperor because of it so really its a bad idea unless they split AP into 2 categories which you would gain both at the same time, 1 being AP currency which could be bankable and be used to buy things but have no effect on the leaderbord and other Being Leaderbored AP which isn't bankable or spendable but increases your rank on the leaderbored.

leepalmer95 · January 2016

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

With this though people could theoretically use this to gain emperor ship by gaining AP and banking it away just before the campaign ends so they do not lose it and the moment the campaign resets they grab it back out and then instant 5 million AP above everyone else and all they need to do is take the emperor keeps which from my experience all you need is 2 or 3 skilled players to take one.

If Zenimax did this we would have people running around with 1,000,000,000 AP and if you are just starting out you may never ever be emperor because of it so really its a bad idea unless they split AP into 2 categories which you would gain both at the same time, 1 being AP currency which could be bankable and be used to buy things but have no effect on the leaderbord and other Being Leaderbored AP which isn't bankable or spendable but increases your rank on the leaderbored.

Did you even read it, not the ap that levels you in pvp but the currency the one you spend, it doesn't matter if you take it in or out it won't change your pvp rank.

Maybe your confused or something you won't lose your pvp rank or position on the leaderboard if you spend the ap. The leadboard and pvp rank is the amount you've earned it doesn't go down.

Sharee · January 2016

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

No it shouldn't be. All that means is getting on your magika class spamming mutagen at a siege raking in 10s of k AP and transferring it to a stam player where it's harder to earn.
Like all PVP boys say...earn it.

As pointed out above, you already can earn tons of AP on a magicka class, then buy the stuff the stamina class needs and give it to him. Allowing the AP to be transfered (instead of the items) would change nothing in the particular case you described.

Alucardo · January 2016

Doesn't touch skill lines or ranks, so I have no qualms about it. Considering my bank slots are full and I don't really have the option to buy siege, wall repair kits and store them, this wouldn't be a bad option.

bowmanz607 · January 2016

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

No it shouldn't be. All that means is getting on your magika class spamming mutagen at a siege raking in 10s of k AP and transferring it to a stam player where it's harder to earn.
Like all PVP boys say...earn it.

That doesn't even make sense. You ate talking about farming ao on one toon. This means that all your apps is on one toon anyway and so you can buy what you want and bank it anyway. This does not even relate to the situation I am talking abiut.

bowmanz607 · January 2016

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

With this though people could theoretically use this to gain emperor ship by gaining AP and banking it away just before the campaign ends so they do not lose it and the moment the campaign resets they grab it back out and then instant 5 million AP above everyone else and all they need to do is take the emperor keeps which from my experience all you need is 2 or 3 skilled players to take one. then once they do that they are crowned emperor of cyrodiil.

If Zenimax did this we would have people running around with 1,000,000,000 AP and if you are just starting out you may never ever be emperor because of it so really its a bad idea unless they split AP into 2 categories which you would gain both at the same time, 1 being AP currency which could be bankable and be used to buy things but have no effect on the leaderbord and other Being Leaderbored AP which isn't bankable or spendable but increases your rank on the leaderbored.

AP gained as "experience" for leader boards 8s separate from AP as "currency." You would still have to earn ap on a toon for leader board purposes.