Can someone explain to me what's good about a 64 bit client? No IT knowledge here

alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »

This might be a stupid question but when the 64 bit client comes out does it mean re-downloading the entire game or will there be a patch

Most of the game that is downloaded consists of data files. The actual game client is pretty small compared to that. My guess is that you will not have to download the entire game, just the new client. In that respect, it will be a typical update.

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Wollust wrote: »

Can someone explain to me what's good about a 64 bit client? No IT knowledge here

It can use more memory for data, not that the game client will use more memory for data. That remains to be seen. Just because they can use more memory does not mean they will.

I would like to know if we can choose between 32-bit and 64-bit. The 64-bit one might be a lot buggier and crash more than the 32-bit one. If I can choose, I will stay on the older and more mature platform while others test 64-bit and wait for them to roll out fixes over the next several months.

Anet also has a better client, better servers and better software engineers.

I'm sure ESO will make us download a separate client

moesmaker wrote: »

You must be kidding. Take a look on their forums. It's client crashes all over the place. And have you tried playing GW2 on a mac? It's a buggy mess.

Your mistake is trying to play games on MAC.

@danno8, how much of an improvement was GW2 after going from 32 to 64 bit? Was it a pretty noticeable difference?

danno8 wrote: »

GW2 added a 64-bit client a few months back and all you had to do was download a few hundred MB or so and just replace the old GW2.exe with the GW2-64.exe. It was pretty easy.

Aside from the a few widespread problems on the first day it has otherwise been pretty smooth. Personally I have had no issues with it at all.

However, to be fair ANET is far, far, far better at finding bugs and squashing them fast, and they seem to be able to just push out patches to the servers on the fly, even while people are still playing. In fact their whole server/client system is superior to any other MMO I have played.

There terrible terrible terrible about hackers and account thefts, Specially once they merged in China ESO by far a better at squashing that crap

treborrealb14_ESO wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

GW2 added a 64-bit client a few months back and all you had to do was download a few hundred MB or so and just replace the old GW2.exe with the GW2-64.exe. It was pretty easy.

Aside from the a few widespread problems on the first day it has otherwise been pretty smooth. Personally I have had no issues with it at all.

However, to be fair ANET is far, far, far better at finding bugs and squashing them fast, and they seem to be able to just push out patches to the servers on the fly, even while people are still playing. In fact their whole server/client system is superior to any other MMO I have played.

There terrible terrible terrible about hackers and account thefts, Specially once they merged in China ESO by far a better at squashing that crap

No fooling there was a great game at one time but even now read there forums look at all the hacks that have happend to the player base there LOL

But not to derail the topic @Zos a bit more info so the customer base here can better understand how the 64 bit will better our game play experience Please?

Capraid wrote: »

moesmaker wrote: »

You must be kidding. Take a look on their forums. It's client crashes all over the place. And have you tried playing GW2 on a mac? It's a buggy mess.

Your mistake is trying to play games on MAC.

/sigh

Did I say I have problems with other games than GW2?

Robbmrp wrote: »

sadownik wrote: »

Robbmrp wrote: »

@danno8, how much of an improvement was GW2 after going from 32 to 64 bit? Was it a pretty noticeable difference?

new maps were quite resource heavy - some people where simply crushing to desktop so after a week or so Anet introduced a beta version of 64 - it helps because it allows for higher memory usage nothing else/

Right, but using more memory should allow for a smoother playability as it should remove the bottleneck there. So were people not able to play at all as they would just crash? I'm looking for information on how the game actually played on 32 bit vs 64 bit. Did it help at all? Not that the exact same thing would happen with ESO, we won't know what it'll do until we get it.

Well i never crash in g2 to be honest even on new maps but people say in chat i helps. When it comes to the gameplay i see a difference in culling amount - on big events more people are loading with their skins than generic culling skins if thats what you asked for.

Robbmrp wrote: »

@danno8, how much of an improvement was GW2 after going from 32 to 64 bit? Was it a pretty noticeable difference?

Well for me personally I noticed nearly no difference. But I had very few problems in the first place. I mainly switched to it to avoid potential problems. Same reason I will use the 64- bit ESO when it comes. Not because I have any memory management issues, but more to prevent any future issues of that specific type.

For GW2, load screens were always fast for me (never more than 5-10 seconds), even getting in game to a playable character from sign in is under 25 seconds for me so improvements are less likely to be noticeable.

But like @sadownik has mentioned, some people saw a large difference. If the game is coded to take advantage of extra RAM, in addition to fewer "out of memory/low on memory" issues you could potentially see things like:

- far less loading screens in and out of buildings
- quicker loading of textures for other characters / players
- less "on the fly" loading of terrain/objects
- less hard drive thrashing, although tbh I really don't currently notice any

But the game needs to be coded for this stuff, that is to say it needs to be told not to unload assets from ram as aggressively as it does now.

If the 64-bit client is released and you don't see a change in the minimum specs for RAM accompanied with it, don't expect to see any of the improvements listed above (aside from the low memory issues). It would mean the developers are likely rewriting the code to use the 64 bit binaries for stability, not for visual improvements.

danno8 wrote: »

Robbmrp wrote: »

@danno8, how much of an improvement was GW2 after going from 32 to 64 bit? Was it a pretty noticeable difference?

Well for me personally I noticed nearly no difference. But I had very few problems in the first place. I mainly switched to it to avoid potential problems. Same reason I will use the 64- bit ESO when it comes. Not because I have any memory management issues, but more to prevent any future issues of that specific type.

For GW2, load screens were always fast for me (never more than 5-10 seconds), even getting in game to a playable character from sign in is under 25 seconds for me so improvements are less likely to be noticeable.

But like @sadownik has mentioned, some people saw a large difference. If the game is coded to take advantage of extra RAM, in addition to fewer "out of memory/low on memory" issues you could potentially see things like:

- far less loading screens in and out of buildings
- quicker loading of textures for other characters / players
- less "on the fly" loading of terrain/objects
- less hard drive thrashing, although tbh I really don't currently notice any

But the game needs to be coded for this stuff, that is to say it needs to be told not to unload assets from ram as aggressively as it does now.

If the 64-bit client is released and you don't see a change in the minimum specs for RAM accompanied with it, don't expect to see any of the improvements listed above (aside from the low memory issues). It would mean the developers are likely rewriting the code to use the 64 bit binaries for stability, not for visual improvements.

@danno8 thank you for the detailed information. Hopefully for ESO the 64 Bit client will help out a lot. Even if it just takes care of Cyrodil loading screens I will be happy. Mine usually aren't more than 5-10 seconds either but last night in Cyro they were taking forever.

Robbmrp wrote: »

@danno8 thank you for the detailed information. Hopefully for ESO the 64 Bit client will help out a lot. Even if it just takes care of Cyrodil loading screens I will be happy. Mine usually aren't more than 5-10 seconds either but last night in Cyro they were taking forever.

I would not expect the 64-bit client to resolve loading screen issues, in general.

The next gen consoles are 64bit architecture, Xbox One just received the Windows 10 OS for it's UI. I wonder if the next gen consoles support 64 bit clients, and if ESO is providing this 64 bit client to console also?

Got 12 gigs of RAM little man, I put that *** in yo hand.

Bout time they give us a 64bit client.

uberkull wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Got 12 gigs of RAM little man, I put that *** in yo hand.

Bout time they give us a 64bit client.

No games.on the market use over 8gig of system ram. Most run under 6gig. Unless you are running a browser in the background with 65 tabs open...

FO4 can use more than 8GB, but only with mods. In fact their minimum requirement is 8 GB. It uses around 6 GB during gameplay.