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Nightblades are the most balanced class
Shelgon
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This is mostly a discussion, but I added a poll cuz why not.
Poll Question: What do you think is most balanced class right now in this current patch?
Hah, you thought it was going to be a "Nightblades OP" thread huh, well it's not. Now, we tell the "NerfNB"ers to come up with reasons why the class is OP, but we never seem to tell that to those who say "keep NB's the same".
So there's your discussion, let's discuss why Nightblades are a balanced class.
Edited by Shelgon on January 8, 2016 2:59PM Poll Question: What do you think is most balanced class right now in this current patch?
Hah, you thought it was going to be a "Nightblades OP" thread huh, well it's not. Now, we tell the "NerfNB"ers to come up with reasons why the class is OP, but we never seem to tell that to those who say "keep NB's the same".
So there's your discussion, let's discuss why Nightblades are a balanced class.
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Nightblades are the most balanced class 52 votes
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Lenikus✭✭✭✭✭NightbladeNightblades indeed.
They are so Nightblade, they Nightblade all over the place.
Srsly tho', if a class can hit like a truck, but is rendered useless by one caltrops/flare/random aoe splash they are legit balanced.... Mai cave. >:311 -
robkrush✭✭✭✭✭This is mostly a discussion, but I added a poll cuz why not.
Poll Question: What do you think is most balanced class right now in this current patch?
Hah, you thought it was going to be a "Nightblades OP" thread huh, well it's not. Now, we tell the "NerfNB"ers to come up with reasons why the class is OP, but we never seem to tell that to those who say "keep NB's the same".
So there's your discussion, let's discuss why Nightblades are a balanced class.
Ill go first.
Nightblades can be considered balanced because when you come across an enemy in pvp there is a 95% chance it is another nightblade. Nothing more balanced than everyone playing the same class.
Edited by robkrush on January 8, 2016 3:14PMPS4-NA-DC
PSN: robkrush
The game's central concept of "PvP in PvP areas and be safe in safe areas" needs to stay the way it is.
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leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭There not.
/Close thread.Edited by leepalmer95 on January 8, 2016 3:05PMPS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...2 -
Resipsa131✭✭✭Cloak should be an Assault Skill available to all classes and in its place NB should get a magic based damage shield or any damage shield really.2 -
Lenikus✭✭✭✭✭Nightblade
You no fun >.>leepalmer95 wrote: »There not.
/Close thread.... Mai cave. >:30 -
Shelgon✭✭✭✭NightbladeResipsa131 wrote: »Cloak should be an Assault Skill available to all classes and in its place NB should get a magic based damage shield or any damage shield really.
thats... an idea, but not really relevant to the discussion
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mike.eso✭✭✭✭Resipsa131 wrote: »Cloak should be an Assault Skill available to all classes and in its place NB should get a magic based damage shield or any damage shield really.
lol what??4 -
I55UE5✭✭✭NightbladeBeen around since launch.. NB was the last class I made just a couple months ago.
Love it. Most balanced. Thanks.1 -
Lenikus✭✭✭✭✭Nightblade
Yes because it Cloak of shadow / Dark Cloak / Shadowy Disguise are totally skills that a Templar or DragonKnight should have access to.Resipsa131 wrote: »Cloak should be an Assault Skill available to all classes and in its place NB should get a magic based damage shield or any damage shield really.
Just like Nightblades and Sorceres need Breath of Life. and Reflective Scales.
Also we should give DragonKnights the Summon Attronach ultimate, as that class lacks pet skills.... Mai cave. >:35 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »They're* not.
/Close thread.
Why though. You have to prove it m8
Sigh:
Most bursty class in the game, stam blades do so much dmg and with vigor + dodgeroll + cloak they have a pretty solid defence.
Stam/Mag class gap closer, doesn't have a min range, mag morph gives 70% snare and snares are strong in this patch, other morth gives empower and a 1s imbolisation on top of the .5s stun all gap closers have.
Concealed/lotus high dmg easiily spammed class skill.
Cloak - dot's are useless vs nb's, your attacks lose target, can reset a fight, best (only) escape skill in game, magblades can inf cloak, stam blades build right can cloak enough with a dodge roll to make it hard to kill them.
15% hp/stam/mag regen
max hp passive
Max magicka passive
crit passive
Also have access to a really good healing skill tree... decent ranged dps/heal, great aoe dmg/heal....
They generate ult stupidly quickly, all their ult's are amazing. Soul harvest is such a cheap good ult, 50, for instant high dmg, 20% more dmg to target and major defile, and regen 10 ult when you kill an enemy...
Permanently have 5200 extra armour from a passive...
PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...7 -
Shelgon✭✭✭✭Nightbladeleepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »They're* not.
/Close thread.
Why though. You have to prove it m8
Sigh:
Most bursty class in the game, stam blades do so much dmg and with vigor + dodgeroll + cloak they have a pretty solid defence.
Stam/Mag class gap closer, doesn't have a min range, mag morph gives 70% snare and snares are strong in this patch, other morth gives empower and a 1s imbolisation on top of the .5s stun all gap closers have.
Concealed/lotus high dmg easiily spammed class skill.
Cloak - dot's are useless vs nb's, your attacks lose target, can reset a fight, best (only) escape skill in game, magblades can inf cloak, stam blades build right can cloak enough with a dodge roll to make it hard to kill them.
15% hp/stam/mag regen
max hp passive
Max magicka passive
crit passive
Also have access to a really good healing skill tree... decent ranged dps/heal, great aoe dmg/heal....
They generate ult stupidly quickly, all their ult's are amazing. Soul harvest is such a cheap good ult, 50, for instant high dmg, 20% more dmg to target and major defile, and regen 10 ult when you kill an enemy...
Permanently have 5200 extra armour from a passive...
idk dude that sounds pretty balanced if you ask me.V16 Templar - Shelgon - DC
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Lightninvash✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »They're* not.
/Close thread.
Why though. You have to prove it m8
Sigh:
Most bursty class in the game, stam blades do so much dmg and with vigor + dodgeroll + cloak they have a pretty solid defence.
Stam/Mag class gap closer, doesn't have a min range, mag morph gives 70% snare and snares are strong in this patch, other morth gives empower and a 1s imbolisation on top of the .5s stun all gap closers have.
Concealed/lotus high dmg easiily spammed class skill.
Cloak - dot's are useless vs nb's, your attacks lose target, can reset a fight, best (only) escape skill in game, magblades can inf cloak, stam blades build right can cloak enough with a dodge roll to make it hard to kill them.
15% hp/stam/mag regen
max hp passive
Max magicka passive
crit passive
Also have access to a really good healing skill tree... decent ranged dps/heal, great aoe dmg/heal....
They generate ult stupidly quickly, all their ult's are amazing. Soul harvest is such a cheap good ult, 50, for instant high dmg, 20% more dmg to target and major defile, and regen 10 ult when you kill an enemy...
Permanently have 5200 extra armour from a passive...
that's what the night blades were made for burst dps. I mean they are geared towards stealth killing which means bursting down your enemy before you are noticed. hence all the stealth passives and bonuses while in stealth. that's like complaining that Templars are imbalanced because they heal too good >.>1 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »They're* not.
/Close thread.
Why though. You have to prove it m8
Sigh:
Most bursty class in the game, stam blades do so much dmg and with vigor + dodgeroll + cloak they have a pretty solid defence.
Stam/Mag class gap closer, doesn't have a min range, mag morph gives 70% snare and snares are strong in this patch, other morth gives empower and a 1s imbolisation on top of the .5s stun all gap closers have.
Concealed/lotus high dmg easiily spammed class skill.
Cloak - dot's are useless vs nb's, your attacks lose target, can reset a fight, best (only) escape skill in game, magblades can inf cloak, stam blades build right can cloak enough with a dodge roll to make it hard to kill them.
15% hp/stam/mag regen
max hp passive
Max magicka passive
crit passive
Also have access to a really good healing skill tree... decent ranged dps/heal, great aoe dmg/heal....
They generate ult stupidly quickly, all their ult's are amazing. Soul harvest is such a cheap good ult, 50, for instant high dmg, 20% more dmg to target and major defile, and regen 10 ult when you kill an enemy...
Permanently have 5200 extra armour from a passive...
idk dude that sounds pretty balanced if you ask me.
Oh yeah it see it now, how could i of missed it, it's so balanced.
But sorc having 20% more hp regen when a pet is on their bar is op .PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...0 -
Resipsa131✭✭✭
Yes because it Cloak of shadow / Dark Cloak / Shadowy Disguise are totally skills that a Templar or DragonKnight should have access to.Resipsa131 wrote: »Cloak should be an Assault Skill available to all classes and in its place NB should get a magic based damage shield or any damage shield really.
Just like Nightblades and Sorceres need Breath of Life. and Reflective Scales.
Also we should give DragonKnights the Summon Attronach ultimate, as that class lacks pet skills.
Why shouldn't the other classes have access to cloak? They have access to a potion that mimics cloak other than the purge with is available to the other classes in one form or fashion so they've already got access to cloak via potions.
BoL and Reflective scales aren't definitive class skills Templars and DKs aren't balanced around those two abilities.
What sorc uses anything other than overload or an occasional bubble?
Nightblades are balanced around the cloak ability. NB would still be able to utilize better synergies with cloak but DKs could Cloak Wrecking Ball spam if they wanted to and Templars could Cloak Jabs Spam; the end result is that everyone runs counters to cloak all the time so the meta eventually shifts away from using cloak and NBs could get an ability that allows them to stand in the pocket and trade.
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leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Resipsa131 wrote: »
Yes because it Cloak of shadow / Dark Cloak / Shadowy Disguise are totally skills that a Templar or DragonKnight should have access to.Resipsa131 wrote: »Cloak should be an Assault Skill available to all classes and in its place NB should get a magic based damage shield or any damage shield really.
Just like Nightblades and Sorceres need Breath of Life. and Reflective Scales.
Also we should give DragonKnights the Summon Attronach ultimate, as that class lacks pet skills.
Why shouldn't the other classes have access to cloak? They have access to a potion that mimics cloak other than the purge with is available to the other classes in one form or fashion so they've already got access to cloak via potions.
BoL and Reflective scales aren't definitive class skills Templars and DKs aren't balanced around those two abilities.
What sorc uses anything other than overload or an occasional bubble?
Nightblades are balanced around the cloak ability. NB would still be able to utilize better synergies with cloak but DKs could Cloak Wrecking Ball spam if they wanted to and Templars could Cloak Jabs Spam; the end result is that everyone runs counters to cloak all the time so the meta eventually shifts away from using cloak and NBs could get an ability that allows them to stand in the pocket and trade.
Stam sorc doesn't use overload?
This is still a terrible idea, you don't give a clas abillity to every other class, why would anyone go a nb then?PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...0 -
Shelgon✭✭✭✭NightbladeLightninvash wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »They're* not.
/Close thread.
Why though. You have to prove it m8
Sigh:
Most bursty class in the game, stam blades do so much dmg and with vigor + dodgeroll + cloak they have a pretty solid defence.
Stam/Mag class gap closer, doesn't have a min range, mag morph gives 70% snare and snares are strong in this patch, other morth gives empower and a 1s imbolisation on top of the .5s stun all gap closers have.
Concealed/lotus high dmg easiily spammed class skill.
Cloak - dot's are useless vs nb's, your attacks lose target, can reset a fight, best (only) escape skill in game, magblades can inf cloak, stam blades build right can cloak enough with a dodge roll to make it hard to kill them.
15% hp/stam/mag regen
max hp passive
Max magicka passive
crit passive
Also have access to a really good healing skill tree... decent ranged dps/heal, great aoe dmg/heal....
They generate ult stupidly quickly, all their ult's are amazing. Soul harvest is such a cheap good ult, 50, for instant high dmg, 20% more dmg to target and major defile, and regen 10 ult when you kill an enemy...
Permanently have 5200 extra armour from a passive...
that's what the night blades were made for burst dps. I mean they are geared towards stealth killing which means bursting down your enemy before you are noticed. hence all the stealth passives and bonuses while in stealth. that's like complaining that Templars are imbalanced because they heal too good >.>
As a matter of fact, templars do heal too good in pvp, breath of life is probably getting nerfed.V16 Templar - Shelgon - DC
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MikeB✭✭✭✭✭As someone that has a V16 stam NB I can first hand say that at least stam is not OP. If you don't get the jump on someone and keep them locked down (stunned/feared), unless your opponent is just bad, you've lost. Are they annoying as an opponent? Yes. There's nothing more frustrating in this game than almost killing a Stam NB just to have them run away.
As someone who has fought Mag NB's at V16 I can say they are very strong. All they have to do in 1v1 is cast a spell, cloak, cast a spell, cloak and you can never target them enough for it to matter. Yes, AoE's bring them out of cloak but you have to get close enough to them first and with their mobility its near impossible.Edited by MikeB on January 8, 2016 3:34PM1 -
Resipsa131✭✭✭Stam Sorcs don't use atronachs which was the point I was responding to stop the collateral attack and respond to the main point which is cloak should be on the assault line.
Every other class has access to a potion that mimics cloak, sure you can't spam it but neither can Stam NB. Every other class gets a damage shield, NB don't because they are expected to Cloak and get away. If everyone gets access to cloak everyone can abuse it and everyone will be forced to run counters to it.
I went NB because I wanted to cripple opponents, sap their energy, and funnel their health.Edited by Resipsa131 on January 8, 2016 3:43PM1 -
Artjuh90✭✭✭✭✭
✭Nightbladeleepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »They're* not.
/Close thread.
Why though. You have to prove it m8
Sigh:
Most bursty class in the game, stam blades do so much dmg and with vigor + dodgeroll + cloak they have a pretty solid defence.
Stam/Mag class gap closer, doesn't have a min range, mag morph gives 70% snare and snares are strong in this patch, other morth gives empower and a 1s imbolisation on top of the .5s stun all gap closers have.
Concealed/lotus high dmg easiily spammed class skill.
Cloak - dot's are useless vs nb's, your attacks lose target, can reset a fight, best (only) escape skill in game, magblades can inf cloak, stam blades build right can cloak enough with a dodge roll to make it hard to kill them.
15% hp/stam/mag regen
max hp passive
Max magicka passive
crit passive
Also have access to a really good healing skill tree... decent ranged dps/heal, great aoe dmg/heal....
They generate ult stupidly quickly, all their ult's are amazing. Soul harvest is such a cheap good ult, 50, for instant high dmg, 20% more dmg to target and major defile, and regen 10 ult when you kill an enemy...
Permanently have 5200 extra armour from a passive...
idk dude that sounds pretty balanced if you ask me.
Oh yeah it see it now, how could i of missed it, it's so balanced.
But sorc having 20% more hp regen when a pet is on their bar is op .
magicka sorc have no reason to complain. they are the top class in both PvE and PvP while stam NB in PvE is more like the what the magicka dk is in PvPEdited by Artjuh90 on January 8, 2016 3:40PM0 -
TheShadowScout✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭But of course nightblades are the most balanced class. They balance on ledges all the time, looking for unwary players to gank! if they weren#t balanced, they'd fall down, and give the ambush away! Since that pretty much never happens, they obviously -must- be the most balanced class, right?!?
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Ra'Shtar✭✭✭✭✭
✭NightbladeI agree i wish templar had the level of balance nightblade has sorc and dk needs to be at nightblade level of balance as well they are the most well balanced class in the game except for a few small things from weapon skill lines but that is an issue of its own.Some of my favorite screenshots
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SemiD4rkness✭✭✭✭✭Nightblades indeed.
They are so Nightblade, they Nightblade all over the place.
Srsly tho', if a class can hit like a truck, but is rendered useless by one caltrops/flare/random aoe splash they are legit balanced.
LOL stupid pve hero. I use caltrops in all my builds and believe me it only counters bad nigtblades (90% of them) Come on one roll dodge and nb is out of it.0 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Nightblades are the most well put together class. There is actual synergy between each move is diverse and allows for multiple successful combinations.
A sorc does not have such synergy. The only similar synergy is exploitation giving you 3% more crit if you use a dark spell first. Each move is a stand alone, if I use mines, frag, and velacious curse it makes absolutely no difference if I change the order to curse, frag, mines.
A NB gains different effects based on the previous move, there are combos for different situations. As for a Sorc the only thing is to throw as many Haymakers as possible and hope they die.
As for balance within the class, yes NB is the most balanced. As for class balance out side it's own class, no way, no other class has the same synergy and diversity that NBs have.
All magicka sorcs run 4 out of 5 the same moves.2 -
Lenikus✭✭✭✭✭Nightblade
LOL stupid entitled non-reader 1337 wannabe pvp'rSemiD4rkness wrote: »
LOL stupid pve hero. I use caltrops in all my builds and believe me it only counters bad nigtblades (90% of them) Come on one roll dodge and nb is out of it.Srsly tho', if a class can hit like a truck, but is rendered useless by one caltrops/flare/random aoe splash they are legit balanced.
But also, if one skill effectively counters 90% of players from one class, i'd say that class really needs a Buff then.... Mai cave. >:31 -
TiberX✭✭✭✭Too bad u cannot get a ban for such a topic
You can see how balanced NBs are when u see that 50% in PVP are NBs.
Stun-Damage-Fear-Damage-If gets tough disappear and Repeat.
and BTW, best class passives Edited by TiberX on January 8, 2016 4:48PMOfficer of Ghosts and Goblins0 -
SnuggleMePlease✭✭✭NightbladeI thought Templars were pretty imbalanced this patch.
Cheers,
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