Either you're exaggerating or this is just a lag spike. Snipe itself cannot hit you more than once in a second, however you can time a heavy attack, Camo Hunter and another skill to make them hit all at once.

@NightRibon23444 - There are many ways to drop people that fast in pvp, Snipe is just one of them, Heavy attack with dualwield and camohunter,

Heavy attack with bow, camohunter and silvershards,

These are just 2 cases however i have been hit many other ways....

Being a vamp does not help... lol

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Snipe needs looking at anyway, theres a serious balane issue with it.

60m skill that hits can 14k + consistently, it's hard to see and in a group vs group you usually cant see it or hear it.

The range in which it can be cast pretty much means your safe from harm as any other range skill doesn't come close to it, so i'm not sure why it's doing such high dmg.

The longer range a skill, the safer you are so the less dmg it should do.

The dmg needs toning down or the range does.

Any group vs group fights, sieges etc... snipers are untouchable unless your sniping yourself and they can kill you in 2 hits.

Just remember.... We can't hide bound armor because people need to know how to counter bound armor....... ,TRUE zos statement lolololol yet everything in this game says otherwise..... Just look at snipe

@leepalmer95 if they reduced snipes damage no one would use it. People only use what gives max benefits otherwise they don't care. Welcome to elderclones online: build diversity limited

Just dodge roll away from it. Im playing myself extremely squishy char so if I can do it anyone can. Snipes' dmg is just perfect, imho.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

Just dodge roll away from it. Im playing myself extremely squishy char so if I can do it anyone can. Snipes' dmg is just perfect, imho.

Most of the time you can't see it or hear it. Also magicka users can't really afford to roll dodge much. It's a unexplainable skill, 60m with more dmg than most 5m skills

Odd, I notice the first hit and when my health goes down, then I just dodge roll away.

Ive been playing actually PVP quite much recently and I think this game is much better when theres only 1 population bar for each alliance, when it goes to 3 bar (full), the lag starts.

I think they should add Campaigns with lower population like 1 bar for each alliance. Let players choose if they want to choose 3 bar lag or 1 bar fun.

Make it a charge up skill, full charge gives full damage with a long cooldown.

The spamming of it is the problem.

No skill should be spam spam spam dead.

Snipe was suppose to be for killing off low health players in a group, not insta killing ganking people from full health in stealth in 2 seconds...

The balance in this game sucks.

Lots of players just brainlessly spam snipe though. It's why I love playing my DK so much xD

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Snipe needs looking at anyway, theres a serious balane issue with it.

60m skill that hits can 14k + consistently, it's hard to see and in a group vs group you usually cant see it or hear it.

The range in which it can be cast pretty much means your safe from harm as any other range skill doesn't come close to it, so i'm not sure why it's doing such high dmg.

The longer range a skill, the safer you are so the less dmg it should do.

The dmg needs toning down or the range does.

Any group vs group fights, sieges etc... snipers are untouchable unless your sniping yourself and they can kill you in 2 hits.

Please stop spreading misinformation. The range is 35 m not 60 m.

Assuming you do not see or hear it incoming, there are signs that tell you to take action. If you are hit by the focused aim morph, you will have a column of light around you and your armor will be fractured. The lethal arrow morph makes a distinct acidic sizzling sound and likely has a visual tell as well for the healing debuff. Those are your clues to c break / dodge roll / block / heal / flappy wings / bolt escape / ward up / etc.

Without this skill the bow is essential unviable for everything but a dragonknight heavy attack build. Bow is the lowest damage stamina weapon. It does not offer ready access to major brutality.

Sausage wrote: »

Troneon wrote: »

Make it a charge up skill, full charge gives full damage with a long cooldown.

The spamming of it is the problem.

No skill should be spam spam spam dead.

Snipe was suppose to be for killing off low health players in a group, not insta killing ganking people from full health in stealth in 2 seconds...

The balance in this game sucks.

It isnt spammable if your opponent knows how to block or Dodge, and they should I think Tutorial teach that to everyone.

That's a lot of IF's there....especially since 90% of the time you never see it coming...that's like saying...

"It isn't spammable IF you start flying on your dragon and fly in the air to avoid something you can't see coming at you and killing you with multiple hits in a few seconds from full health"....

Nice try defending something that is obviously unbalanced...

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Dalsinthus wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Snipe needs looking at anyway, theres a serious balane issue with it.

60m skill that hits can 14k + consistently, it's hard to see and in a group vs group you usually cant see it or hear it.

The range in which it can be cast pretty much means your safe from harm as any other range skill doesn't come close to it, so i'm not sure why it's doing such high dmg.

The longer range a skill, the safer you are so the less dmg it should do.

The dmg needs toning down or the range does.

Any group vs group fights, sieges etc... snipers are untouchable unless your sniping yourself and they can kill you in 2 hits.

Please stop spreading misinformation. The range is 35 m not 60 m.

Assuming you do not see or hear it incoming, there are signs that tell you to take action. If you are hit by the focused aim morph, you will have a column of light around you and your armor will be fractured. The lethal arrow morph makes a distinct acidic sizzling sound and likely has a visual tell as well for the healing debuff. Those are your clues to c break / dodge roll / block / heal / flappy wings / bolt escape / ward up / etc.

Without this skill the bow is essential unviable for everything but a dragonknight heavy attack build. Bow is the lowest damage stamina weapon. It does not offer ready access to major brutality.

Focused aim, 43m + 8m in cyrodill? = 51m, a skill that hits 14k...?

I know plenty of builds that use a bow without snipe, it's just a cheese skill for group to safely cast without worry, or to gank people.

Venom? Volley for pve, bombard etc...? People even use a bow just to weave silver shards. A lot of skill lines don't offer major brutality/sorcery you get them elsewhere.

Not a cheese. Again, Z needs to fix lag so this works right. It's important to have good range abilities for defending keeps. It's easy to avoid this by not playing like a noob. The only time it is an issue is when it lags and hits you 4, 5, or 6 times in an instant due to lag. Noobs might also confuse lag for flight time or multiple NB's spamming it, but the difference is quite obvious.

Snipe spammers are THE ONLY reason why i continue playing with a Magika dk !


Snipe Spam? No problems Flappy Wings spam (with +35%dmg...)

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Dalsinthus wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Snipe needs looking at anyway, theres a serious balane issue with it.

60m skill that hits can 14k + consistently, it's hard to see and in a group vs group you usually cant see it or hear it.

The range in which it can be cast pretty much means your safe from harm as any other range skill doesn't come close to it, so i'm not sure why it's doing such high dmg.

The longer range a skill, the safer you are so the less dmg it should do.

The dmg needs toning down or the range does.

Any group vs group fights, sieges etc... snipers are untouchable unless your sniping yourself and they can kill you in 2 hits.

Please stop spreading misinformation. The range is 35 m not 60 m.

Assuming you do not see or hear it incoming, there are signs that tell you to take action. If you are hit by the focused aim morph, you will have a column of light around you and your armor will be fractured. The lethal arrow morph makes a distinct acidic sizzling sound and likely has a visual tell as well for the healing debuff. Those are your clues to c break / dodge roll / block / heal / flappy wings / bolt escape / ward up / etc.

Without this skill the bow is essential unviable for everything but a dragonknight heavy attack build. Bow is the lowest damage stamina weapon. It does not offer ready access to major brutality.

Focused aim, 43m + 8m in cyrodill? = 51m, a skill that hits 14k...?

I know plenty of builds that use a bow without snipe, it's just a cheese skill for group to safely cast without worry, or to gank people.

Venom? Volley for pve, bombard etc...? People even use a bow just to weave silver shards. A lot of skill lines don't offer major brutality/sorcery you get them elsewhere.

I understand that I am not going to change your mind about this skill. This is the internet after all. But for the second time, please stop with the misinformation. Focused Aim's range is 35 m. That can be extended in Cyrodiil by the Reach passive in the assault tree. Reach applies to all ranged powers with a base range of >15 m, so this criticism could be applied to just about any non-melee ability. It also takes a lot of PVP to get the full range extension. In any case, the total range is no where near the 60 m you claimed repeatedly in this thread, even with the benefit of passives that are eventually available to everyone.

Even with Reach, the total distance is narrowly outside of the range of gap closers. So the Snipe user has to be very carefully positioned in order to be safe from melee damage and there are plenty of ranged powers that can get him or her. And rarely are you actually attacking from maximum range - if so all the opponent has to do is back up a tiny bit and they are safe.

You obviously are correct that there is more to the bow than just Snipe. However, all the powers you mentioned are situational and are not going to proved consistent single target dps in PvP. Repeat casting of Venom arrow resets the DoT; you don't want to do this more than once every 10 seconds. Magnum is truly great, but it will quickly put you out of range for a second or third shot. Bombard is also great as an AoE and crowd control, but it is costly and will not do enough damage to win a 1v1 fight against any remotely competent opponent. Volley is also nice for PvE, but it is way too easy to avoid for PvP, except maybe at the breech of a keep. So if you want to DPS with a bow, that means a lot of Snipe and light/heavy attacks, mixed with the occasional use of other skills.

14k is achievable, but not easily in cyrodiil with the 50% damage reduction. In my experience it requires pretty optimized gear and buffs. And if this kind of damage constitutes cheese, well that argument could be applied to many other skills: wrecking blow, overload light attacks, crystal frags, etc.

Lightninvash wrote: »

Troneon wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

Troneon wrote: »

Make it a charge up skill, full charge gives full damage with a long cooldown.

The spamming of it is the problem.

No skill should be spam spam spam dead.

Snipe was suppose to be for killing off low health players in a group, not insta killing ganking people from full health in stealth in 2 seconds...

The balance in this game sucks.

It isnt spammable if your opponent knows how to block or Dodge, and they should I think Tutorial teach that to everyone.

That's a lot of IF's there....especially since 90% of the time you never see it coming...that's like saying...

"It isn't spammable IF you start flying on your dragon and fly in the air to avoid something you can't see coming at you and killing you with multiple hits in a few seconds from full health"....

Nice try defending something that is obviously unbalanced...

what does this bolded part even trying to say spammable because flying... snipe is just that its a snipe you aren't supposed to know where they are. that's like saying "oh no he went stealth and got away and I cant see him anymore" they should make it to where you can see their outlines or something"

a channeled skill isn't considered spammable something like jabs or basically any skill in the game that doesn't have a cast time is spammable. the slow projectile allows a few shots to be fired off before you are hit but once you are hit from no where block and look around you will see someone with a bow and charge...

You can spam jabs? you can spam wb, you can spam dark flare and you can spam frags, you can spam snipe?

Just because it has a cast time doesn't mean it isnt spam.