Please Just Stop!

MikeB · January 2016

Please stop ruining places to grind out xp. If it gets to the point where I am forced to do quest to level a character I would rather just stop playing the game. I've done every single quest in the game once and while some quest were fun and the story OK most were dreadfully boring and the story horrible. I do enjoy the game with my friends despite the large amounts of issues that I wont go into here as I would take to much to type out and would take away from the intention of this post.

You've finally gotten around to nerfing the xp gain in cracked wood cave and have left very few other places to grind, if the other places are also nerfed I'm done. I'm already to the point that I've canceled my ESO plus and am only spending money on DLC. I do, along with many others, really want to enjoy this game but you are making it very hard to do. By the way, I know plenty of people that are still not getting their plus crowns.

Kammakazi · January 2016

MikeB wrote: »

Please stop ruining places to grind out xp. If it gets to the point where I am forced to do quest to level a character I would rather just stop playing the game. I've done every single quest in the game once and while some quest were fun and the story OK most were dreadfully boring and the story horrible. I do enjoy the game with my friends despite the large amounts of issues that I wont go into here as I would take to much to type out and would take away from the intention of this post.

You've finally gotten around to nerfing the xp gain in cracked wood cave and have left very few other places to grind, if the other places are also nerfed I'm done. I'm already to the point that I've canceled my ESO plus and am only spending money on DLC. I do, along with many others, really want to enjoy this game but you are making it very hard to do. By the way, I know plenty of people that are still not getting their plus crowns.

Since when did they nerf my second home Cracked Wood Cave?

leepalmer95 · January 2016

I'm not that bothered considering i'm a dc on ps4 eu and were so underpopulated we can only fill asura and don't have a buff campaign so i've never had access to it.

MikeB · January 2016

Kammakazi wrote: »

MikeB wrote: »

Please stop ruining places to grind out xp. If it gets to the point where I am forced to do quest to level a character I would rather just stop playing the game. I've done every single quest in the game once and while some quest were fun and the story OK most were dreadfully boring and the story horrible. I do enjoy the game with my friends despite the large amounts of issues that I wont go into here as I would take to much to type out and would take away from the intention of this post.

You've finally gotten around to nerfing the xp gain in cracked wood cave and have left very few other places to grind, if the other places are also nerfed I'm done. I'm already to the point that I've canceled my ESO plus and am only spending money on DLC. I do, along with many others, really want to enjoy this game but you are making it very hard to do. By the way, I know plenty of people that are still not getting their plus crowns.

Since when did they nerf my second home Cracked Wood Cave?

You havent noticed the reduction in xp? You used to be able to get ~6 pre-vet levels from 1 xp pot now you're lucky to get 3.

Tonnopesce · January 2016

I hate the grind, really but how i'm supposed to get 112 WAX 20 Kuta 32 Alloy 24 Rosin and all the mats required to do 2 full vet 16 gold equips?

Farming in circles is soooooo boring but this game require it...

Oldmanlawlor · January 2016

'Forced' to do quests?

Isn't that what MMO's usually.......

sadownik · January 2016

Oldmanlawlor wrote: »

'Forced' to do quests?

Isn't that what MMO's usually.......

No

shauny.gibbsb16_ESO · January 2016

sadownik wrote: »

Oldmanlawlor wrote: »

'Forced' to do quests?

Isn't that what MMO's usually.......

No

Well actually I'd say yes, from my gaming experience mmo's as a general rule give low mob xp and high quest XP, Korean games tend to be more grind oriented but it was a nice surprise to find ESO had another levelling option as I quickly get bored of questing. I've just reached vet1 and wow was I in for a shock, who on earth thought this would be fun, god knows how those that have alts have stayed sane.

Games should cater to all playstyles not limit options, I don't mean too easily either but I hate the trend games have with the really slow pvp levelling option, I wish pvp xp matched questing xp speed at least!

Islyn · January 2016

MikeB wrote: »

Kammakazi wrote: »

MikeB wrote: »

Please stop ruining places to grind out xp. If it gets to the point where I am forced to do quest to level a character I would rather just stop playing the game. I've done every single quest in the game once and while some quest were fun and the story OK most were dreadfully boring and the story horrible. I do enjoy the game with my friends despite the large amounts of issues that I wont go into here as I would take to much to type out and would take away from the intention of this post.

You've finally gotten around to nerfing the xp gain in cracked wood cave and have left very few other places to grind, if the other places are also nerfed I'm done. I'm already to the point that I've canceled my ESO plus and am only spending money on DLC. I do, along with many others, really want to enjoy this game but you are making it very hard to do. By the way, I know plenty of people that are still not getting their plus crowns.

Since when did they nerf my second home Cracked Wood Cave?

You havent noticed the reduction in xp? You used to be able to get ~6 pre-vet levels from 1 xp pot now you're lucky to get 3.

PRE VET LEVELS are higher amounts of XP per level, increasing each level so of course you will gain them slower than before the higher you get.

Didgerion · January 2016

MikeB wrote: »

Please stop ruining places to grind out xp. If it gets to the point where I am forced to do quest to level a character I would rather just stop playing the game. I've done every single quest in the game once and while some quest were fun and the story OK most were dreadfully boring and the story horrible. I do enjoy the game with my friends despite the large amounts of issues that I wont go into here as I would take to much to type out and would take away from the intention of this post.

You've finally gotten around to nerfing the xp gain in cracked wood cave and have left very few other places to grind, if the other places are also nerfed I'm done. I'm already to the point that I've canceled my ESO plus and am only spending money on DLC. I do, along with many others, really want to enjoy this game but you are making it very hard to do. By the way, I know plenty of people that are still not getting their plus crowns.

They are getting rid of VR levels . It will be much easier to grind your way to the top level(50) and the Enlightenment system will help you to advance your CPs quite fast just by doing fun daily activities.

sadownik · January 2016

shauny.gibbsb16_ESO wrote: »

sadownik wrote: »

Oldmanlawlor wrote: »

'Forced' to do quests?

Isn't that what MMO's usually.......

No

Well actually I'd say yes, from my gaming experience mmo's as a general rule give low mob xp and high quest XP, Korean games tend to be more grind oriented but it was a nice surprise to find ESO had another levelling option as I quickly get bored of questing. I've just reached vet1 and wow was I in for a shock, who on earth thought this would be fun, god knows how those that have alts have stayed sane.

Games should cater to all playstyles not limit options, I don't mean too easily either but I hate the trend games have with the really slow pvp levelling option, I wish pvp xp matched questing xp speed at least!

Well i dont know if you agree with me or disagree, but i must say as much as i understood what you typed - yes in mmos we have quests, no its not what mmos are about. MMO is about player interaction and the game itself is just a frame fro that.

ESO has few ways to get xp - quests, killing mobs, pvp, dungeons, trials, arena and now another arena but now single player (who needs other players in MMO right?)

Quests - some love to do the same mundane fully voiced quests over and over again - i dont. In fact most of them werent even fun for the first time, but they do give decent xp.
Mobs - find a good spot that isnt taken and grind away - just dont fall asleep on keyboard thats not good for you.
PvP - find an empty server and run pve quests undisturbed for decent xp, wait didnt you come to pvp to not do another dull pve quests? No matter quest away.
Dungeons - give decent xp only once per character up untill undauted pedges so its not a good way of farming xp
Trials - they are, oh sorry were max lvl activity and since Z. wisdom didnt change the lvl of them - extremely hard to find groups for that.
Arena - same problem as above
The greatest arena of them all, and something never seen in other MMOs (ESO is not like other mmos!) - let me just say that it was one of the most moronic decitions in MMO design i have seen for a long time and i stop here.

Overall its hard not to see that Z. is pushing players to do quests and it is really strange decision since those quests in my opnion are the weakest part of the game.

TheShadowScout · January 2016

MikeB wrote: »

Please stop ruining places to grind out xp...

Yeah, nerf grinding itself instead!

Just make the game look at what types of mobs a character has killed, and reduce XP gains for mere kills by 1% per kill. Since at the hundreth skeever it shoudl no longer be an "experience", but mere routine.

That's what I'd like anyhow.

And yes, I know its not bloody likely, since the grinders would get all huffy and whining about it.
Its an imperfect world... for both sides of the grinding argument...

SeventhCelestial · January 2016

There is a stupid amount of ways to get xp. And last time I check Cracked Wood Cave is still good. I was just there an hour ago.

Tors · January 2016

MikeB wrote: »

You havent noticed the reduction in xp? You used to be able to get ~6 pre-vet levels from 1 xp pot now you're lucky to get 3.

And this was a good thing?

Why play a game like this when you dont enjoy leveling?

shauny.gibbsb16_ESO · January 2016

sadownik wrote: »

shauny.gibbsb16_ESO wrote: »

sadownik wrote: »

Oldmanlawlor wrote: »

'Forced' to do quests?

Isn't that what MMO's usually.......

No

Well actually I'd say yes, from my gaming experience mmo's as a general rule give low mob xp and high quest XP, Korean games tend to be more grind oriented but it was a nice surprise to find ESO had another levelling option as I quickly get bored of questing. I've just reached vet1 and wow was I in for a shock, who on earth thought this would be fun, god knows how those that have alts have stayed sane.

Games should cater to all playstyles not limit options, I don't mean too easily either but I hate the trend games have with the really slow pvp levelling option, I wish pvp xp matched questing xp speed at least!

Well i dont know if you agree with me or disagree, but i must say as much as i understood what you typed - yes in mmos we have quests, no its not what mmos are about. MMO is about player interaction and the game itself is just a frame fro that.

ESO has few ways to get xp - quests, killing mobs, pvp, dungeons, trials, arena and now another arena but now single player (who needs other players in MMO right?)

Quests - some love to do the same mundane fully voiced quests over and over again - i dont. In fact most of them werent even fun for the first time, but they do give decent xp.
Mobs - find a good spot that isnt taken and grind away - just dont fall asleep on keyboard thats not good for you.
PvP - find an empty server and run pve quests undisturbed for decent xp, wait didnt you come to pvp to not do another dull pve quests? No matter quest away.
Dungeons - give decent xp only once per character up untill undauted pedges so its not a good way of farming xp
Trials - they are, oh sorry were max lvl activity and since Z. wisdom didnt change the lvl of them - extremely hard to find groups for that.
Arena - same problem as above
The greatest arena of them all, and something never seen in other MMOs (ESO is not like other mmos!) - let me just say that it was one of the most moronic decitions in MMO design i have seen for a long time and i stop here.

Overall its hard not to see that Z. is pushing players to do quests and it is really strange decision since those quests in my opnion are the weakest part of the game.

I agree with you, in my short playtime in ESO it feels that Z wants everyone questing to level, many are probably happy with that especially as many came from TES solo games, i just never understand the reasoning on limiting levelling options over increasing them.

Thevampirenight · January 2016

They need to buff quest exp by a lot, I want to quest I find questing my mood to do the content they made if the exp reward is good for each one, I don't care about overleveling a area I want to be able to get good exp from it now grinding is faster then questing.

Anzriel · January 2016

TheShadowScout wrote: »

MikeB wrote: »

Please stop ruining places to grind out xp...

Yeah, nerf grinding itself instead!

Just make the game look at what types of mobs a character has killed, and reduce XP gains for mere kills by 1% per kill. Since at the hundreth skeever it shoudl no longer be an "experience", but mere routine.

That's what I'd like anyhow.

And yes, I know its not bloody likely, since the grinders would get all huffy and whining about it.
Its an imperfect world... for both sides of the grinding argument...

No thank you, what they need to do is boost pvp xp gain so it's better. Some people don't want to quest through on all of their alts, reducing options only helps those who only want people to play they want to play.

shauny.gibbsb16_ESO · January 2016

Anzriel wrote: »

TheShadowScout wrote: »

MikeB wrote: »

Please stop ruining places to grind out xp...

Yeah, nerf grinding itself instead!

Just make the game look at what types of mobs a character has killed, and reduce XP gains for mere kills by 1% per kill. Since at the hundreth skeever it shoudl no longer be an "experience", but mere routine.

That's what I'd like anyhow.

And yes, I know its not bloody likely, since the grinders would get all huffy and whining about it.
Its an imperfect world... for both sides of the grinding argument...

No thank you, what they need to do is boost pvp xp gain so it's better. Some people don't want to quest through on all of their alts, reducing options only helps those who only want people to play they want to play.

Why can't PvP simply give similar xp to questing, 2hrs of PvP should give similar xp to 2hrs of questing, games that usually have a "You can level through plaing PvP content" option actually don't make this viable.

Dexter411 · January 2016

How much i hate grinders and grind they should not focus on quests to level up.
Keep nerfing grind spots without buffing other ways to get xp and so many people will leave ESOTU after major "balance" patch. Mobs in Craglorn give you so little xp it is kinda funny actually.
Cracked Wood Cave? There is nothing better then get 2 meteors in face when you are 20%hp and low on resources from other alliance players. Maybe i get unlucky but on PC EU i did not find any campaign where i could sit there for more then 30min without getting ganked. And there is no subbstitute for that place :'(

Refuse2GrowUp · January 2016

All non-vet grind spots are the same they have been for a little while now. For vet, simply grind the sewers. Some swear by Wrothgar public dungeons, but I personally don't know about that one

Lolssi · January 2016

shauny.gibbsb16_ESO wrote: »

Games should cater to all playstyles not limit options, I don't mean too easily either but I hate the trend games have with the really slow pvp levelling option, I wish pvp xp matched questing xp speed at least!

Naah different games should cater to different people. Having all games cater to everybody is just stupid and leads to crappy games.
Thankfully we have ESO

Lysette · January 2016

Lolssi wrote: »

shauny.gibbsb16_ESO wrote: »

Games should cater to all playstyles not limit options, I don't mean too easily either but I hate the trend games have with the really slow pvp levelling option, I wish pvp xp matched questing xp speed at least!

Naah different games should cater to different people. Having all games cater to everybody is just stupid and leads to crappy games.
Thankfully we have ESO

IMO Skyrim and Fallout 4 speak for the opposite - it is possible to create something, which caters to a lot of play styles.

Weberda · January 2016

If your idea of "fun" is to spend your time in a cave repetitively killing the same npc's over and over then I would seriously suggest you hit Alt +F4 and find something that's actually useful to do with your time.

DurzoBlint13 · January 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I'm not that bothered considering i'm a dc on ps4 eu and were so underpopulated we can only fill asura and don't have a buff campaign so i've never had access to it.

Im on PS4/NA and we DO have a buff campaign- Skull of Corruption. And it is almost always full. Why are you saying we are under-populated? We even take over Monncursed Blade sometimes. And almost every single night there are big 3-way PvP battles in the arena district. Never had trouble finding a group in Azura either

revonine · January 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I'm not that bothered considering i'm a dc on ps4 eu and were so underpopulated we can only fill asura and don't have a buff campaign so i've never had access to it.

We have a presence on Haderus now, I know a guild that spends quite a bit of time there. All those Former Emperors you see don't come from Azura's. I was quite surprised when I popped into Thornblade yesterday to relieve some reds of telvar stones that we owned a few keeps in there too.

willymchilybily · January 2016

IC / maelstrom on my most recent character from rank 20 something through to VR16. worked out well with stones for mats for end game gear, and maelstrom so i didnt have to waste time crafting new gear.

And lets be honest we all hope it wont be long before grinding an alt isn't required with VR removal. Stop getting upset over nothing.

Unsent.Soul · January 2016

DurzoBlint13 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I'm not that bothered considering i'm a dc on ps4 eu and were so underpopulated we can only fill asura and don't have a buff campaign so i've never had access to it.

Im on PS4/NA and we DO have a buff campaign- Skull of Corruption. And it is almost always full. Why are you saying we are under-populated? We even take over Monncursed Blade sometimes. And almost every single night there are big 3-way PvP battles in the arena district. Never had trouble finding a group in Azura either

You are on NA and the person you quoted is from EU.... different servers.......

On topic I just grinder my vet levels in a cyrodil cave, not CWC but a different one. It went faster than any other way to level. 2 vet levels took 3 hours, I've heard of people doing 1 level per hour roughly but I tend to go a little slower when solo.

Where did you even get the idea things were getting nerfed to cause you to create a post like this? Is this just a rumor or hearsay?

Lightninvash · January 2016

Oldmanlawlor wrote: »

'Forced' to do quests?

Isn't that what MMO's usually.......

from my experience in mmos it is normally geared for quests however every mmo I have ever played people always can the quests and grind out levels due to it being faster

DurzoBlint13 · January 2016

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

DurzoBlint13 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I'm not that bothered considering i'm a dc on ps4 eu and were so underpopulated we can only fill asura and don't have a buff campaign so i've never had access to it.

Im on PS4/NA and we DO have a buff campaign- Skull of Corruption. And it is almost always full. Why are you saying we are under-populated? We even take over Monncursed Blade sometimes. And almost every single night there are big 3-way PvP battles in the arena district. Never had trouble finding a group in Azura either

You are on NA and the person you quoted is from EU.... different servers.......

On topic I just grinder my vet levels in a cyrodil cave, not CWC but a different one. It went faster than any other way to level. 2 vet levels took 3 hours, I've heard of people doing 1 level per hour roughly but I tend to go a little slower when solo.

Where did you even get the idea things were getting nerfed to cause you to create a post like this? Is this just a rumor or hearsay?

Im sorry but where do you see he is on EU. I looked again and I don't see any mention of the server. If I missed it, I apologize. I have no idea about the nerf. I grind CP in Cyrodil delves all the time and it is one of the quickest easiest ways to do it.

Jumper45 · January 2016

shauny.gibbsb16_ESO wrote: »

sadownik wrote: »

Oldmanlawlor wrote: »

'Forced' to do quests?

Isn't that what MMO's usually.......

No

Well actually I'd say yes, from my gaming experience mmo's as a general rule give low mob xp and high quest XP, Korean games tend to be more grind oriented but it was a nice surprise to find ESO had another levelling option as I quickly get bored of questing. I've just reached vet1 and wow was I in for a shock, who on earth thought this would be fun, god knows how those that have alts have stayed sane.

Games should cater to all playstyles not limit options, I don't mean too easily either but I hate the trend games have with the really slow pvp levelling option, I wish pvp xp matched questing xp speed at least!

I'll have to disagree with most MMOs following the quest grind. Grind killing mobs has always been a stable way to gain xp. INFACT most of the time you'll have to look into the math for example.
If this quest give you 10k xp but you get 600xp from each mob kill. The quest requires you to kill 10. One can simply ask. If its faster to go back and turn in the quest to get another that directs you to another area or do you just stay and kill 15 more monsters.

Granted we arnt talking about doing exactly that but its a good point to show that grinding mobs = just as fast ( sometimes faster if youre AOEing mobs). Ontop of that other games have other things you can do like Dungeons for XP ( the XP from dungeons in ESO is LAUGHABLE) or PVP. ( XP from pvp is also laughable.) That leaves you two options. Grind or quest. If they effectively remove grinding that leaves you one VALID option. Quests.

The Simple fact is AOEing down 8 mobs is hell of a lot faster then running back and forth for quests but the game also needs to have an option for NON DPS users like healers to gain just as fast xp via questing.

The only exception to the rule is when a game like Everquest or WOW that has been around so long and has a bunch of expansions pushes their old content xp from quests to rocket the player to higher levels so they arnt stuck in the dumps for months.

Ruben · January 2016

DurzoBlint13 wrote: »

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

DurzoBlint13 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I'm not that bothered considering i'm a dc on ps4 eu and were so underpopulated we can only fill asura and don't have a buff campaign so i've never had access to it.

Im on PS4/NA and we DO have a buff campaign- Skull of Corruption. And it is almost always full. Why are you saying we are under-populated? We even take over Monncursed Blade sometimes. And almost every single night there are big 3-way PvP battles in the arena district. Never had trouble finding a group in Azura either

You are on NA and the person you quoted is from EU.... different servers.......

On topic I just grinder my vet levels in a cyrodil cave, not CWC but a different one. It went faster than any other way to level. 2 vet levels took 3 hours, I've heard of people doing 1 level per hour roughly but I tend to go a little slower when solo.

Where did you even get the idea things were getting nerfed to cause you to create a post like this? Is this just a rumor or hearsay?

Im sorry but where do you see he is on EU. I looked again and I don't see any mention of the server. If I missed it, I apologize. I have no idea about the nerf. I grind CP in Cyrodil delves all the time and it is one of the quickest easiest ways to do it.

Dude...

> I'm not that bothered considering i'm a dc on ps4 eu