Shield breaker set/ Shield stacking

LizardThixvim · January 2016

Hello, sorry for long paragraph ;p

I have played Magicka Sorcerer since the beginning of game launch, but shield breaker destroys the whole Gameplay of playing any magicka build, the set was probably intended to counter shield stacking, which I agree with I hate shield stacking, I use 2 shield, healing ward, and conjured ward, which is now a death risk with shield breaker, so I tried replacing healing ward with other healing, blessing of restoration, healing springs, mutagen, dark deal, all of which are too insignificant to heal a guy spamming shield breaker at you, and if you don't use a shield you die, as stamina builds can hit you with a 13k+ uppercut, baring in mind, I am wearing, 1 heavy chest, medium pants, all rest light armor, for the undaunted passives, and to maximise defence, if I try use a shield to mitigate some of the damage they spam light attacks killing you in seconds, using shield breaker, bow with decrease health enchant, dealing additional 500+ unresistable damage to you. It doesn't just affect Sorcerer, magicka dk I use igneous shield to boost healing of blessing of restoration I die from shield breaker, Templar use radiant ward or sun shield die from shield breaker, magicka Night Blade healing ward to heal die from shield breaker, magicka sorc die from shield breaker.

Now is there anything that is planned for this set?

1) Add a cool down timer to the shield breaker, making it only hit you with a shield every 6 seconds or so.

2) Remove shield breaker completely and find an alternative option to shield stacking problem.

3) Remove shield breaker, and for damage shields why not add an option that only your strongest shield applies, for example if you have healing ward giving 7k shield, light armor skill giving 5k shield, and conjured ward giving 11k shield, then if you use all 3, you get the damage shield from conjured ward, get healing from healing ward (but no damage shield), and light armor skill you absorb magicka (but no damage shield) would solve a lot of shield stacking problems and there would be no need for shield breaker to exist anymore.

They are just some ideas to make the game more balanced and skill based and not have easy options to kill magicka builds by spamming light attack.

Thanks

@brianwheeler

@Wrobel

@GinaBruno

nordickittyhawk · January 2016

MMMM let me taste those sweet sorcs tears. Just remeber what that one dev said on eso live about it. "Why cant you put another heal on your bar thats not a shield"

LizardThixvim · January 2016

As I stated its not just sorcs, its ALL magicka builds, and all other healing, is too weak to heal any incoming damage combined with shield breaker, NB cried and cried until detection pots where nerfed now they don't last as long, the game is turning into Elder Stamina Builds Online, as only viable option anymore to go uppercut spamming my way through Cyrodiil, or you seem to be night blade, so you fear, and spam, Concealed weapons/ Surprise attack and if you stam nightblade spam Concealed with light attack weave shield breaker, always love hate messages from NB who QQ about me being a " detection pot noob"

RAGUNAnoOne · January 2016

It should I don't know break shields as in deal X extra damage to damage shields not kill players using one. I know they can do it they already made shields take damage and effects differently than regular players they just took the lazy rout with this one.

LizardThixvim · January 2016

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

It should I don't know break shields as in deal X extra damage to damage shields not kill players using one. I know they can do it they already made shields take damage and effects differently than regular players they just took the lazy rout with this one.

Agreed, light attacks should deal addition 2k or whatever the damage is to your "SHIELD" not your health bar, set should be called "Ignores shield and hits players Health...... breaker" so silly the way the set works now, when it was announced/ released I thought "oh that's fair, shields will break faster then normal, that's balanced I agree with that" turns out spamming light attacks now kills players as it ignores shields.

Forestd16b14_ESO · January 2016

How about no. I use shield breaker and shield users are still hard to kill cause once they realize there is a shield breaker user they run away or immediately gun down the shield breaker user. Shield breaker is not OP at all an extremely laughably easy to counter cause after all it only work with light and heavy attacks and bow light attacks only go so fast and go so far. Most skills in the game have father range than bow light attacks.

But if you're still against shield breaker and want different options than another one is shields become part of the major/minor were shields from skills are major shields and of course give bigger ones while shields from sets and enchantments are minor shields and not so powerful and like all major/minor skills you can have one major shield and one minor shield on at once.

LizardThixvim · January 2016

As I also said, your minor shield should not work only the major shield, would stop shield stacking then shields wont be a problem then shield breaker isn't needed but "SHIELD" breaker should break your shield not kill you ignoring your shield and hitting your health bar

would be funny to see a stealth breaker set, if that was added, all people in stealth around you take 2k unresistable damage the forums would explode, as the ESO player base is like 80% NBs and the set would be removed within the next hour

RAGUNAnoOne · January 2016

Casts_Many_Storms wrote: »

As I also said, your minor shield should not work only the major shield, would stop shield stacking then shields wont be a problem then shield breaker isn't needed but "SHIELD" breaker should break your shield not kill you ignoring your shield and hitting your health bar

would be funny to see a stealth breaker set, if that was added, all people in stealth around you take 2k unresistable damage the forums would explode, as the ESO player base is like 80% NBs and the set would be removed within the next hour

I heard of something like that wasn't it sentry or something? just add that to the last effect and boom instant ***storm

Cinnamon_Spider · January 2016

Shield breaker users are only a problem when they're standing behind their group of friends that are also attacking you. But if you're that outnumbered, you're lucky to live anyway.

1v1 they're no problem at all. Dodge their attack, pop a pot, and then burn them down without recasting a shield.

acw37162 · January 2016

You left out the information that even if someone is tagging you with shield breaker you can streak away and have a morph of streak that eats projectiles.

You also left out that the stamina build who is hitting you with 13 K uppercuts, can't crit your 25 K worth of shields, is improbable to weave a heavy or light into wreking blow as its a channel and you loose empower on the light attack and they burned there entire 30 K stamina pool to chase you down after 4 streaks and you still have magica left to shield up and proc a frag.

I'm not feeling a ton of sympathy for the magica sorcs they are one of the most tanky, hardest hitting, and most mobile classes in the game.

Your only hard counter is one set of gear not everyone has or a Zerg catching you low on magica.

CP5 · January 2016

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

MMMM let me taste those sweet sorcs tears. Just remeber what that one dev said on eso live about it. "Why cant you put another heal on your bar thats not a shield"

Isn't that as reliable as "People melt in wall of elements?"

Cinnamon_Spider · January 2016

acw37162 wrote: »

You left out the information that even if someone is tagging you with shield breaker you can streak away and have a morph of streak that eats projectiles.

Ball of Lightning only absorbs magic projectiles.

Master_Kas · January 2016

Either put a cost/regen penalty on SPAMMING shields not stacking them, spamming is the issue since it got NO penalty (except shieldbreaker atm) compared to other defensive manouvers like block (no stam regen at all) and rolldodge (cost increase by 33% after each roll)

I stopped using shieldbreaker because I prefer hundings rage to burst down all FOTM stamina builds running around, but when I see sorcs who can tank people longer than heavy armor tanks, then I cannot resist and equip shieldbreaker. Since ZOS decided it's best to put a penalty on stamina builds defensive actions and not on magicka builds, we'll have to get used to it until they fix the real issue instead of a bandaid fix (which shieldbreaker is)

My 2 cents, see you in game later today lizard !

Edit: also there are already multiple "cloak/stealth breaker" counters you can use vs cloak and stealth. And you don't even have to equip a 5 piece armor set to do it (pots, radiant magelight I love this ability, curse, inevtible deto, streak, and every other aoe that people use to break my cloak on a daily basis)

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Shield breaker users are only a problem when they're standing behind their group of friends that are also attacking you. But if you're that outnumbered, you're lucky to live anyway.

1v1 they're no problem at all. Dodge their attack, pop a pot, and then burn them down without recasting a shield.

Basiclly this, in 1v1 you have no issue outhealing the damage with critsurge/rapid regen or blessing of restoration. My blessing of resto does more heal than shieldbreaker does damage ^^

And 1vX , well, lets say you can forget 1vX in this patch xD Unless you're camoganking vampires, sneaking away or use invis pot/cloak and repeat, or fight really new PvE players in the sewers ^^

thelordoffelines · January 2016

I find it funny that stam builds got a set which completely negates the major defense of all light armor builds and more. Stam builds have vigor and rally and roll dodge and shuffle and mitigation from better armor ratings than light armor making them harder to kill than a sorc ever could be plus they have incredible damage and high damage dealing skills to busrt people down very quickly with no cp tree to help defend agaisnt. Yet on top of all this they need a set that directly bypasses light armor users only defense. Seems like pvp is pretty stam biased to me i wish they would give me a set to make things go through dodge roll.

Wreuntzylla · January 2016

Casts_Many_Storms wrote: »

As I stated its not just sorcs, its ALL magicka builds, and all other healing, is too weak to heal any incoming damage combined with shield breaker, NB cried and cried until detection pots where nerfed now they don't last as long, the game is turning into Elder Stamina Builds Online, as only viable option anymore to go uppercut spamming my way through Cyrodiil, or you seem to be night blade, so you fear, and spam, Concealed weapons/ Surprise attack and if you stam nightblade spam Concealed with light attack weave shield breaker, always love hate messages from NB who QQ about me being a " detection pot noob"

No. It's not.

Nobody using a 6sec shield is dying to 2k shield breaker light attacks unless they mindlessly spam the shield. You only use annulment if facing a magicka user and shield breaker is a medium armor stamina set. DK shield will break to a couple of light attacks unless you run 40k+ health. So the only half decent player in jeopardy of dying to shield breaker uses ... hardened ward.

So, yes, it's just sorcs.

A sorc build that is becoming more common in PvP by the day gives you 46k+ magicka, 3k+ spellpower, 21k health, 11k stamina. 21k health means 11 light attacks not factoring in any healing or health regen... Shield breaker is trivial if you even pay minimal attention to what's going on. If you want to make shield breaker completely insignificant, add some health, add one heal to your bar, use the permafrost set and run lightning form.

Most sorcs won't for the same reason most sorcs argue that making conjured ward health based is the wrong answer. Those sweet, sweet 10-17k overload light attacks while tanking like Boss Hawg...

KozawahGaming · January 2016

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Shield Breaker set have the 5th piece grant you irresistible damage? Which means it should by-pass the shield/ the damage of the weapon hits the shields but the 5 piece is dealing damage. Which I find fair, its one way to actually damage a shield stacker/spammer. If you can shield yourself up to were 95% of your health bar is shields, then are complaining about it, YOU are the problem not this one armor set. The only real way to kill someone who is half way intelligent is to use shield breaker, because their magicka pool is so high they can sustain and tank like a freaking Dragonknight before they got nerfed to oblivion.

Increase the amount of healing in PvP, and make it so any character can have 1 shield active and make shields react to health points not magicka points.

BEZDNA · January 2016

All ZoS needs to do is make shields work as it was befor - when you can't reaplay shield untill the previous damage shield completly disapears and then remove shieldbrekaer. Untill that happens shieldbreaker mush stay in game, because shield are way to strong.

LizardThixvim · January 2016

I use 1 shield conjured ward, which gives me about 5-7k damage shield, as my stats dont allow such high shielding, 32k mag, 26k health, and 16k stamina i have as my argonian sorc, with 2,7k spell dmg when using crit surge, still no where near enough to stand a chance against a guy using shield breaker, NB using it are the worst, now i tried, not using any shields at all, tried using bound armor for defense boost, blessing of resto for minor resistances, and used lightning form as well, increased my health, but a sorc without 1-2 shields is dead in seconds, as they have no defensive class passives, 0 shield against a stam build i never died so fast in my life, i took a 17k uppercut in my death recap, while i agree shield stack is annoying, they cant be crit etc, dont think a set that completely ignores your shield and hits your health bar is a good option, it should do "on light attack does x amount of extra damage to your shield", you know actually breaking your shield not killing, i want the return of update 1.5 shields, if i used conjured ward before it was fully depleted it wouldnt be at full strength, back when soft caps and stuff existed you needed a brain to play sorc and needed to know how to play sorc, right now you see 100s of pvp rank 1-5 sorcs tanking and killing groups of 3-4 people because they stack shields to triple their health bar, which is stupid, so

ZOS pls make only your largest shield give you a damage shield.

and 1 of 2 options for shield breaker change:

1)Make shield breaker do x amount of extra damage to your actual shield, breaking the shield quicker, not killing the guy using one.

2)Or add a cooldown of about 6 seconds

for shields:

1) Only major shielding gives you a damage shield

2) If i use a shield when its not fully depeleted make it reapply at a x% of the strength compared to if it was fully depleted it would come back 100%

LizardThixvim · January 2016

I miss the times when sorc needed a skilled player who knows what hes doing and knows how to play the class, unlike now anyone can reroll a sorc stack shields and be unkillable by 5 players until a shield breaker spammer comes up, remove shield breaker bring back old shields

Gilvoth · January 2016

KozawahGaming wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Shield Breaker set have the 5th piece grant you irresistible damage? Which means it should by-pass the shield/ the damage of the weapon hits the shields but the 5 piece is dealing damage. Which I find fair, its one way to actually damage a shield stacker/spammer. If you can shield yourself up to were 95% of your health bar is shields, then are complaining about it, YOU are the problem not this one armor set. The only real way to kill someone who is half way intelligent is to use shield breaker, because their magicka pool is so high they can sustain and tank like a freaking Dragonknight before they got nerfed to oblivion.

Increase the amount of healing in PvP, and make it so any character can have 1 shield active and make shields react to health points not magicka points.

well said!

bardx86 · January 2016

acw37162 wrote: »

You left out the information that even if someone is tagging you with shield breaker you can streak away and have a morph of streak that eats projectiles.

You also left out that the stamina build who is hitting you with 13 K uppercuts, can't crit your 25 K worth of shields, is improbable to weave a heavy or light into wreking blow as its a channel and you loose empower on the light attack and they burned there entire 30 K stamina pool to chase you down after 4 streaks and you still have magica left to shield up and proc a frag.

I'm not feeling a ton of sympathy for the magica sorcs they are one of the most tanky, hardest hitting, and most mobile classes in the game.

Your only hard counter is one set of gear not everyone has or a Zerg catching you low on magica.

This is completely false. Noone has 25k shield vs uppercuts. Against stamina users the sorc shield strength is around 10-14k most around 11k or less. Please stop spreading false information.

LizardThixvim · January 2016

Do that to sheilds, remove shield breaker and add physical resistance cp passive, and the game will feel more balanced.

Septimus_Magna · January 2016

Shieldbreaker is complete BS, I can kill sorcs with my stamina NB just fine without it.

If you cant burst through Hardened Ward as a stam build you're doing something wrong.

olsborg · January 2016

There are sorc builds out there that perform very well vs shieldbreaker. Altho this will only be vs one guy using shieldbreaker vs you. But it is quite possible. The issue starts when there is more then one guy using shieldbreakaer vs you.

bardx86 · January 2016

thelordoffelines wrote: »

I find it funny that stam builds got a set which completely negates the major defense of all light armor builds and more. Stam builds have vigor and rally and roll dodge and shuffle and mitigation from better armor ratings than light armor making them harder to kill than a sorc ever could be plus they have incredible damage and high damage dealing skills to busrt people down very quickly with no cp tree to help defend agaisnt. Yet on top of all this they need a set that directly bypasses light armor users only defense. Seems like pvp is pretty stam biased to me i wish they would give me a set to make things go through dodge roll.

Finally someone who gets it. Add cloak to the list. Also Ranged DPS is the easiest avoided damage in the game.

timidobserver · January 2016

Casts_Many_Storms wrote: »

As I stated its not just sorcs, its ALL magicka builds, and all other healing, is too weak to heal any incoming damage combined with shield breaker, NB cried and cried until detection pots where nerfed now they don't last as long, the game is turning into Elder Stamina Builds Online, as only viable option anymore to go uppercut spamming my way through Cyrodiil, or you seem to be night blade, so you fear, and spam, Concealed weapons/ Surprise attack and if you stam nightblade spam Concealed with light attack weave shield breaker, always love hate messages from NB who QQ about me being a " detection pot noob"

Nope it is just Sorcs. When I am running any of my characters other than my Sorc as Magicka, I have 99 problems, but shield breaker isn't one of them.

bardx86 · January 2016

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Shieldbreaker is complete BS, I can kill sorcs with my stamina NB just fine without it.

If you cant burst through Hardened Ward as a stam build you're doing something wrong.

Exactly! I have some pretty epic fights with NB's but most of the time I die as NB's damage is relentless and they have to many defensive moves.

FriedEggSandwich · January 2016

Shield-breaker is cheese. On the other hand, it doesn't do that much damage unless you let it. The key is not to panic when you hear it, dodge roll, immediately locate the offender and save that proc'd frags for them, or an overload light attack. I don't use overload light attacks against players, unless they are proccing that set on me. If you can't locate them then run between other friendly players; even if they have you targeted some light attacks will hit other players. If you can't do that then dodge roll more and pop a tripot, and run for cover. I only ever die to it when cc'd and out of stamina, and anything can kill you then.

The other thing is that it seems hardly anyone uses it any more, at least on eu pc, because people are either realising it's cheese, or that it's mostly a waste of a 5 slot.

Edit: With tripot it's possible to dodge attacks for around 6 seconds, which is how long it takes for healing ward to expire, so you can still use it as an emergency heal when being spammed, assuming you have stam and a tri-pot.

bowmanz607 · January 2016

Increase strength of shields, make shields take crit damage, and have shield breaker do like 4k extra damage to shields. Also, make it so shields have to be completely gone before they can be reapplied.

Yes I use shield breaker as one of my sets on one of my toons. Spamming it with a bow can be cheezy. However, it is just as cheezy as spamming shields so I have no sympathy for shield spammers. The above suggestion seems like an even way to fix the shield and shield breaker problem. Obviously numbers on shield and the shield breaker set would need to be tested.

Alorier · January 2016

Shield breaker best thing I've ever bought as Scorcs are OP atm

Johngo0036 · January 2016

I tried shield breaker on my NB and dropped it after a week.... for me not worth the effort.. I kill sorcs without it and it is really on the the good sorcs that get the better of me..