PvE vs PvP

nikigwil · January 2016

Frequently I see people getting really involved in discussions as to which is best, which is harder, which is pointless and a waste of their time.
I have one character she is not yet V16 ive been taking time questing and exploring the cadwells zones, imp city and wrothgar. I play both PvE and Pvp and enjoy them both for very different reasons.
Slowly trying to get as many achievements as possible. Just managed to finally get Saviour of Nirn title

I am still fairly new to Pvp but have enjoyed it immensely, feel text chat is needed hugely. I do t have all the skills I want in assault or support yet but slowly getting there.

I dont see that one is better than the other they are both as much fun as the other

Lenikus · January 2016

You are new to either MMOs, or RPGs. At least as far as the community forums are concerned.
Allow me to enlighten you as to what really happens :

Not all PvE'rs are like you. They hate the idea of having to fight non-predictable, non-dinamic based, real enemies. And the fact that in Imperial City, an ideal place to farm and grind materials (things PvE'rs love), is a PvP environment enfuriates them as they feel entitled to a free farm zone, even without other PvE'rs, so only they can profit.

PvP'rs on the other hand, ~love~ the easy score those clueless PvE'rs simply hand out to them by not having a build or spec's for PvP, while in a PvP zone, so they just troll and grief them further in the forums.

Meanwhile, the real ESo players, liek you and me, simply either take sides on the discussions that pop, or grab popcorn and watch as 2 sides of the same coin try to argue as to which should fall heads up when it's fliped.

SemiD4rkness · January 2016

Pve in this game is for the casuals there are a lot of games that have much better story and are more challenging and also more rewarding. The real deal is in this game's combat system (in pvp) id go as far as saying that's one of the best in MMOs history. Balance sucks though so this game will slowly fie becaude they're focusing way too much on the pve aspect of the game.

Artjuh90 · January 2016

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Pve in this game is for the casuals there are a lot of games that have much better story and are more challenging and also more rewarding. The real deal is in this game's combat system (in pvp) id go as far as saying that's one of the best in MMOs history. Balance sucks though so this game will slowly fie becaude they're focusing way too much on the pve aspect of the game.

another PvP player starting with PvE are casual. just keep spamming tht mutagen for that AP farm

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and this game will die out within a year or so on console if they don't adress the textchat issue. just watch, people didn't play skyrim (talking mostly about on consoles/pc without mods) after a year or so. For ZoS to think to make it last longer without decent way of communication is just naive

Zinaroth · January 2016

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Pve in this game is for the casuals there are a lot of games that have much better story and are more challenging and also more rewarding. The real deal is in this game's combat system (in pvp) id go as far as saying that's one of the best in MMOs history. Balance sucks though so this game will slowly fie becaude they're focusing way too much on the pve aspect of the game.

Okay. Please upload your no death run in vMA, kkthx.

nikigwil wrote: »

Frequently I see people getting really involved in discussions as to which is best, which is harder, which is pointless and a waste of their time.
I have one character she is not yet V16 ive been taking time questing and exploring the cadwells zones, imp city and wrothgar. I play both PvE and Pvp and enjoy them both for very different reasons.
Slowly trying to get as many achievements as possible. Just managed to finally get Saviour of Nirn title
I am still fairly new to Pvp but have enjoyed it immensely, feel text chat is needed hugely. I do t have all the skills I want in assault or support yet but slowly getting there.

I dont see that one is better than the other they are both as much fun as the other

I enjoy both PvP and PvE aswell, though I do tend to see a trend where the PvE community is trying to be rational about the PvE/PvP discussions and where PvPers act like 5 year olds who never learned how to present an argument. I think this happens because the PvP enviroment in general has more feelings involved since you're playing against other people, and this is prone to breed more toxic behaviour than PvE, though I do have to admit that guild versus guild beef is not uncommon in the competetive PvE scene.

A lot of the really good PvEers are also good PvPers because of their mastery of the class they play and in depth knowledge of the game mechanics. As such you will often see the best raiders in the game also PvP a lot, both styles of play have similar skills or personal attributes that you need to excel within each respective area.

Lately I have not been enjoying PvP as much as I used to, being a Templar and all, but I hope that will change soon. Had I rolled my main a nightblade I would've probably been too busy ganking in Cyrodiil at the moment to even have noticed this thread.

In any case don't let the haters dictate what is hardest, best or most skillful, play how you want to, as I am sure you already do.

RDMyers65b14_ESO · January 2016

Why choose? It is entirely possible to enjoy both parts of the game. I love the fact that it is an Elder Scrolls game as I love the lore of the series. I love the fighting along side with my PVP guild. It is not always so serious and it is a lot of fun. Where does it say that you have to do one or the other?

Gonza · January 2016

nikigwil wrote: »

Frequently I see people getting really involved in discussions as to which is best, which is harder, which is pointless and a waste of their time.
I have one character she is not yet V16 ive been taking time questing and exploring the cadwells zones, imp city and wrothgar. I play both PvE and Pvp and enjoy them both for very different reasons.
Slowly trying to get as many achievements as possible. Just managed to finally get Saviour of Nirn title
I am still fairly new to Pvp but have enjoyed it immensely, feel text chat is needed hugely. I do t have all the skills I want in assault or support yet but slowly getting there.

I dont see that one is better than the other they are both as much fun as the other

Thats perfect! The best way of getting those skills is enjoying the game with friends. Once, i tryied to grind everything but that is so boring so i had quit the game for some time. You dont need to grind, this isnt a race game. You dont need to have the same build of max dps, or the same gear, race.

Look for fun always. Good luck!!

nikigwil · January 2016

I am neither a casual player or new to this sort of game. I dedicate a large amount of time to it
Playing PvE has made me more aware of the different skills I can use also which ones are totally useless in Pvp which I have been slowly learning. Am running a magica Dk and enjoying it hugely

I am a console player but played Pc beta. Just prefer a console atm to pc

Steel_Brightblade · January 2016

Personally I prefer pve, find pvp irritating, not because of the game itself, though the balance issues and horrendous lag is a pain, but just the attitude and superiority complexes that a lot of pvp players have, as clearly shown by the condescending comments on this post alone.
And for those that go down the learn to play response, I do fine and happily hold my own in pvp, just don't find it that much fun.

Artjuh90 · January 2016

Steel_Brightblade wrote: »

Personally I prefer pve, find pvp irritating, not because of the game itself, though the balance issues and horrendous lag is a pain, but just the attitude and superiority complexes that a lot of pvp players have, as clearly shown by the condescending comments on this post alone.
And for those that go down the learn to play response, I do fine and happily hold my own in pvp, just don't find it that much fun.

worst part is that they don't get that ;s

daemonios · January 2016

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Pve in this game is for the casuals there are a lot of games that have much better story and are more challenging and also more rewarding. The real deal is in this game's combat system (in pvp) id go as far as saying that's one of the best in MMOs history. Balance sucks though so this game will slowly fie becaude they're focusing way too much on the pve aspect of the game.

Ah, that attitude... Didn't take long for one of these to crawl out from under a rock

I fully agree with OP. PvE and PvP are different play styles but both perfectly enjoyable. I just wish ZOS would fix lag in Cyrodiil and take a harder stance at cheating/exploits, which is why I now PvE 100% of my time.

BalticBlues · January 2016

I enjoy both PvE and PvP, but PvP in ESO suffers from

- horrendous lag leading to button mashing fights where usually Ping+DPS wins
- horrendous functionality where certain skills sometimes do not work at all
- horrendous crashes on consoles, sometimes forcing you into the waiting queue again
- horrendous balance due to OP permacloak+instagib NBs

Therefore, I currently prefer PvE.

PvE in ESO rewards skill
PvP in ESO rewards playing NB

Suprisingly, on console release PvP felt much better (only the crashing was worse).
Lag was not that bad, skills worked as intended and balance was mostly ok.
I would say that the last pc patches somehow crippled PvP on consoles.

nikigwil · January 2016

Oh the lag is appalling I play Azuras Eu server and its been unplayable for last few days.
Switched to Chillrend where we held the majority of the map to complete the Dolmens fnally without getting ganked every attempt I had previously made.
My boyf has sat watching me try and play with the lag and is amazed I can try and play like that at all.

DurzoBlint13 · January 2016

do we really want to open this can of worms again? They are both part of the same game. If you ignore either one of them, you are only cutting yourself short. Its a good game with great potential and I hope they fix some of the bugs and exploits that are running rampant right now. Glitches aside, both aspects are part of the game and both are fun and have their goods and bads. Can we please just leave it at that and say "To each his own"?

Zinaroth · January 2016

BalticBlues wrote: »

PvE in ESO requires skill.
PvP in ESO requires playing NB

Thanks for the laugh.

AtmaDarkwolf · January 2016

A player, who can excel in PvP (And one who has SOME ability to realize its a game, and respect others, EVEN those who are his opponents) usually does VERY well in pve. This applies to every game that has had both pvp and pve.

Sadly, there are (as has been pointed out above) those of either 'side' (And personally i don't see it as 2 'separate' parts of the game, and really, if it could be done, having the entire game world like cyrodiil would be awesome...) who develop an 'attitude' whereas they see the 'other side' as inferior. (Not realizing that they are cutting off a whole 1/2 of what they COULD experience)

There are members of both those groups, who seem to feel clicking 'post' and then proceed to spew the literacy form of diarrhea makes them appear 'greater' to others.

You can easily spot those

Septimus_Magna · January 2016

Lenikus wrote: »

You are new to either MMOs, or RPGs. At least as far as the community forums are concerned.
Allow me to enlighten you as to what really happens :

Not all PvE'rs are like you. They hate the idea of having to fight non-predictable, non-dinamic based, real enemies. And the fact that in Imperial City, an ideal place to farm and grind materials (things PvE'rs love), is a PvP environment enfuriates them as they feel entitled to a free farm zone, even without other PvE'rs, so only they can profit.

PvP'rs on the other hand, ~love~ the easy score those clueless PvE'rs simply hand out to them by not having a build or spec's for PvP, while in a PvP zone, so they just troll and grief them further in the forums.

Meanwhile, the real ESo players, liek you and me, simply either take sides on the discussions that pop, or grab popcorn and watch as 2 sides of the same coin try to argue as to which should fall heads up when it's fliped.

Most pvp players I kow like it when a player fights back, if they dont fight back its basically the same as pve.

Jaronking · January 2016

nikigwil wrote: »

Frequently I see people getting really involved in discussions as to which is best, which is harder, which is pointless and a waste of their time.
I have one character she is not yet V16 ive been taking time questing and exploring the cadwells zones, imp city and wrothgar. I play both PvE and Pvp and enjoy them both for very different reasons.
Slowly trying to get as many achievements as possible. Just managed to finally get Saviour of Nirn title
I am still fairly new to Pvp but have enjoyed it immensely, feel text chat is needed hugely. I do t have all the skills I want in assault or support yet but slowly getting there.

I dont see that one is better than the other they are both as much fun as the other

Personally if your having fun that's all that matters .Am personally a pure PVPEr in this game because I find the PVE irepetitive and boring and just not skillful since it just very easy.I would rather be in a laggy cyrodiil than doing any PVE content in this game.I will agree with farming Wrothgar is the only PVE I enjoy in this game since its soothing.Like I said if you find it fun that's all that matters and no matter what others say don't listen to the..

Aeeeek · January 2016

I prefer doing my PvE in Cyrodill

LoreRiley · January 2016

PvE is full of tard who scream in the mic and play music through it

Zinaroth · January 2016

LoreRiley wrote: »

PvE is full of tard who scream in the mic and play music through it

Oh yeah and this definately isn't the case in PvP.

BalticBlues · January 2016

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Most pvp players I kow like it when a player fights back.

Most PvP players I see like to strike from invisibility, from behind or when a victim is involved in a fight, so that the victim is dead before it can fight back. I have never seen more cowardly PvP fights than in ESO where even an entire DLC is designed to reward riskless ganking.

Robotmafia · January 2016

MMOs consist of both PVE and PVP... no discussion needed

kylewwefan · January 2016

I went to cyrodil the other day and ran into some HUGE groups of my same faction. It was awesome! There must have been 100+ of us smurfs riding horseback to this keep to do epic battle. My gear is all set up to PvE but I still had a blast being part of the Zerg.

I have found out using group finder for daily pledge; if takes 10 minutes to burn through the first couple trash mobs; just leave the group. It's not going to go well for you.

MrGigglypants · January 2016

I'd say the players you see on the vMA boards are the same players you hear guys going wow wtf that guys op in pvp. I think on one hand pvp could satisfy a competitiveness amongst players while PvE actually gives a sort of stop watch to you're build and damage while making sure you can learn from mistakes. So in that aspect their extremely similar and any good player will be good at both. This game has one of the best combat mechanics of any mmo and pve isn't simply a face smash like wow was so I'm not sure why ppl don't do both. there is no true competitive pvp so imo I don't think there are any "true pvp players" . That includes the list of baddie streamers out there using reverb you know the ones with s and r in there names.

Helgi_Skotina · January 2016

Kill all PvErs

JD2013 · January 2016

Helgi_Skotina wrote: »

Kill all PvErs

That escalated quickly.

I enjoy both PVE and PVE!

Can't put me in a fancy label box!

Aimora · January 2016

Primarily PvE with a sprinkle of PvP on the side - mainly for the skills and the giggles with guildies

nikigwil · January 2016

Helgi_Skotina wrote: »

Kill all PvErs

Ha ha ha ha ha oh dear

Tors · January 2016

One massive point you have missed.

PvE players foolishly see this online experiance as a game.

PvPers see through this and understand that it is more important than life, for some, it IS life.

This video produced by one guilds opponents shows the depth of feeling that some have

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idEFnkYcjV8

Aimora · January 2016

Yikes are hardcore pvpers like that?