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Triple Camo Hunter Proc. Too oppressive?

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SanTii.92
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Simple question. Example on a mob, easily extrapoleted to pvp.

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Edited by SanTii.92 on January 3, 2016 9:30PM
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Triple Camo Hunter Proc. Too oppressive? 70 votes

No, I love one shoting stuff!
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Yes, is that Daedroth made of butter?
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  • ssewallb14_ESO
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    Yes, is that Daedroth made of butter?
    Nah 116k burst DPS seems fine. Daedroth just needs to l2p.
    Edited by ssewallb14_ESO on January 3, 2016 8:33PM
  • Baconfat79
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    PvP'ers will tell you it's fine, and he should have dodge-rolled.
  • leepalmer95
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    Yes, is that Daedroth made of butter?
    The 1 hit exploiters are ok with this of course/
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  • timidobserver
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    No, I love one shoting stuff!
    I think ZOS said somewhere that it is an intended consequence of being a vampire. I don't really agree that being a vampire should be an immediate oneshot, but oh well.
    Edited by timidobserver on January 3, 2016 8:55PM
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  • Alcast
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    No, I love one shoting stuff!
    Well, the sneak proc does not have a cooldown. So it is "working as intended"

    My guess is they just forgot to put a 2.5s cooldown on the sneakproc like the normal proc . GG Zos
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  • Malmai
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    No, I love one shoting stuff!
    sAnn92 wrote: »
    Simple question. Example on a mob, easily extrapoleted to pvp.

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    LoL so what its PvE + Sneak and 10 buffs and whatever...
  • SanTii.92
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    Yes, is that Daedroth made of butter?
    Malmai wrote: »
    sAnn92 wrote: »
    Simple question. Example on a mob, easily extrapoleted to pvp.

    LoL so what its PvE + Sneak and 10 buffs and whatever...

    Not that many honestly. Rally, Relentless focus and that's it, camo hunter crit chance of course. I don't even have the warrior or the shadow. I got 2.4k stam regen with the serpent
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  • Wollust
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    Yes, is that Daedroth made of butter?
    Malmai wrote: »
    sAnn92 wrote: »
    Simple question. Example on a mob, easily extrapoleted to pvp.

    pxI4Iry.png

    LoL so what its PvE + Sneak and 10 buffs and whatever...

    Yes, because it's so super freaking hard to sneak (or cloak) on a target and pull the exact same combination off. I've done it countless time, resulting in +35k dps. Same goes from safe distance. Snipe, heavy attack and silver shard together with camou hunter will kill any vampire instantly.

    While I agree there needs to be downsides for being a vampire, this is simply too much. Especially if you consider you don't even get the regen anymore if you don't slot a vampire skill on the bars (which I think they should revert, but hey, it's ZoS).
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  • SanTii.92
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    Yes, is that Daedroth made of butter?
    Wollust wrote: »
    Malmai wrote: »
    sAnn92 wrote: »
    Simple question. Example on a mob, easily extrapoleted to pvp.

    pxI4Iry.png

    LoL so what its PvE + Sneak and 10 buffs and whatever...

    Yes, because it's so super freaking hard to sneak (or cloak) on a target and pull the exact same combination off. I've done it countless time, resulting in +35k dps. Same goes from safe distance. Snipe, heavy attack and silver shard together with camou hunter will kill any vampire instantly.

    While I agree there needs to be downsides for being a vampire, this is simply too much. Especially if you consider you don't even get the regen anymore if you don't slot a vampire skill on the bars (which I think they should revert, but hey, it's ZoS).

    Agreed. And to add to that both Camo Hunter and Dawnbreaker have particulary strong secondary effects on them. If the pressure on vampires wasn't enough they still got a 10% crit chance and 8% weapon power vs everyone else. And they, or we, also swarm trough IC mobs.

    Tldr; Fighter's guild skills are too reliable to be such a strong counter.
    Edited by SanTii.92 on January 3, 2016 9:30PM
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    All I know is that there's a Nightblade in the Arboretum with 2k stones. brb
  • Alcast
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    No, I love one shoting stuff!
    Alucardo wrote: »
    All I know is that there's a Nightblade in the Arboretum with 2k stones. brb

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  • SanTii.92
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    Yes, is that Daedroth made of butter?
    Alucardo wrote: »
    All I know is that there's a Nightblade in the Arboretum with 2k stones. brb

    Come get them broh, I didn't want people to start claiming I can only pwn butter Daedroths anyways :wink:
    Edited by SanTii.92 on January 3, 2016 10:28PM
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  • lolo_01b16_ESO
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    As far as I remember there was a zos statement a few weeks ago, that multiple procs from stealth are not intended and will be changed in a future update.
  • GreenSoup2HoT
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    Yes, is that Daedroth made of butter?
    @sAnn92

    I do agree, double "stealth damage proc's" are a problem. There need's to be an internal cool-down so only 1 proc is possible.

    The 15% chance proc that happens after your heavy attack from the surprise attack is not that big of deal, just a rng thing when i look at it.

    HOW THE HECK ARE YOU HITTING 35K WITH A HEAVY ATTACK?!
    DO YOU HAVE 100% CRITICAL CHANCE?!

    These two thing's are what really caught me off guard. We know Camo hunter is a problem already and is going to get looked into....but look at that heavy attack. Am i missing something? That's almost one shot heavy attack damage without camo hunter in pvp.

    I'm not gonna ask for build detail's or anything like that but are you specifically CP'd into heavy attack's? Full on critical build or something? I know you can get some absurd weapon damage if you stack it correctly but i dunno that seem's too good to be true.




    Edited by GreenSoup2HoT on January 4, 2016 3:00AM
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  • Nifty2g
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    Alcast wrote: »
    Well, the sneak proc does not have a cooldown. So it is "working as intended"

    My guess is they just forgot to put a 2.5s cooldown on the sneakproc like the normal proc . GG Zos
    @Alcast Its because Dual Wield heavy attack is considered two attacks so they screwed their own combat system up and didn't think twice about camo hunter to put it bluntly
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  • Lylith
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    Yes, is that Daedroth made of butter?
    "HOW THE HECK ARE YOU HITTING 35K WITH A HEAVY ATTACK?!
    DO YOU HAVE 100% CRITICAL CHANCE?!"

    in i.c., no less.
  • SanTii.92
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    Yes, is that Daedroth made of butter?
    GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »
    @sAnn92

    HOW THE HECK ARE YOU HITTING 35K WITH A HEAVY ATTACK?!
    DO YOU HAVE 100% CRITICAL CHANCE?!

    These two thing's are what really caught me off guard. We know Camo hunter is a problem already and is going to get looked into....but look at that heavy attack. Am i missing something? That's almost one shot heavy attack damage without camo hunter in pvp.

    I'm not gonna ask for build detail's or anything like that but are you specifically CP'd into heavy attack's? Full on critical build or something? I know you can get some absurd weapon damage if you stack it correctly but i dunno that seem's too good to be true.

    Honestly, I'm not that deep on weapon power here. This could be pushd up for sure.

    That pic was taken with 5 hunding's and 4 Morkuldin, serpant mundus, 340 cps, standard distribution, major and minor brutality buffs on. So my stats looks something like 4200 or so wp (with stealth bonus) and only 60% crit chance. This was a lucky rotation 100% crit procs, but still almost every open on daedroth is at least 90% one shot.

    There is no shadow or the warrior mundus, no +stamina food buff, no 3-p night mother's + kena. You can see what I mean.

    Heavy attacks on players don't hit nearly as hard as that. The dmge reduction from battle spirit applies. But a stealth, camo proc, bash rotation on a 21-22k health player is an almost one shot, you still need to sneak there though.

    Sorry for formating, mobile.
    Edited by SanTii.92 on January 4, 2016 7:48AM
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  • SanTii.92
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    Yes, is that Daedroth made of butter?
    Nifty2g wrote: »
    Alcast wrote: »
    Well, the sneak proc does not have a cooldown. So it is "working as intended"

    My guess is they just forgot to put a 2.5s cooldown on the sneakproc like the normal proc . GG Zos
    @Alcast Its because Dual Wield heavy attack is considered two attacks so they screwed their own combat system up and didn't think twice about camo hunter to put it bluntly

    This right here. Camo is proccing three times, two for Dual Wield and the one for the morph. I don't think anyone can argumentatively deny this needs to be addressed.
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  • Alcast
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    No, I love one shoting stuff!
    Nifty2g wrote: »
    Alcast wrote: »
    Well, the sneak proc does not have a cooldown. So it is "working as intended"

    My guess is they just forgot to put a 2.5s cooldown on the sneakproc like the normal proc . GG Zos
    @Alcast Its because Dual Wield heavy attack is considered two attacks so they screwed their own combat system up and didn't think twice about camo hunter to put it bluntly
    sAnn92 wrote: »
    Nifty2g wrote: »
    Alcast wrote: »
    Well, the sneak proc does not have a cooldown. So it is "working as intended"

    My guess is they just forgot to put a 2.5s cooldown on the sneakproc like the normal proc . GG Zos
    @Alcast Its because Dual Wield heavy attack is considered two attacks so they screwed their own combat system up and didn't think twice about camo hunter to put it bluntly

    This right here. Camo is proccing three times, two for Dual Wield and the one for the morph. I don't think anyone can argumentatively deny this needs to be addressed.

    Hm ye, but what bugs me the most is, people always *** QQ that Camo is broken. But it is not that camo is broken but the *** sneak mechanics and the DW HA are. But people like to treat symptoms, then trying to fix the core issues. Bandaiding for the *** win
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  • Draxys
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    Yes, is that Daedroth made of butter?
    Baconfat79 wrote: »
    PvP'ers will tell you it's fine, and he should have dodge-rolled.

    No, gankers that just want easy mode will tell you it's fine. Vampires already take 9% extra damage, and multi-proccing an already strong guaranteed proc (I think it's guaranteed on first hit from stealth?) is just overboard. One is fine, multiple in less than a second for double anyone's health is not ok.

    Furthermore, one-shotting any player with any combo is not balanced. Getting insta killed for being a vampire isn't "justice", or whatever the smarmy d-bags are saying these days.

    Edit: and no, I'm not a vampire or werewolf.
    Edited by Draxys on January 4, 2016 8:52AM
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    timidobserver wrote: »
    I think ZOS said somewhere that it is an intended consequence of being a vampire. I don't really agree that being a vampire should be an immediate oneshot, but oh well.

    Then again we've all watched vampire movies things that kill vampires tend to be a one shot kill blade , hellsing, stoker etc a one shot kill vs the 20+players killed before said vampire died
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    Yes, is that Daedroth made of butter?
    i would kill to see your build
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    Alucardo wrote: »
    All I know is that there's a Nightblade in the Arboretum with 2k stones. brb

    LOL go get them tiger!
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  • SanTii.92
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    Yes, is that Daedroth made of butter?
    iosis13 wrote: »
    i would kill to see your build

    I'll share it with you later today, but honestly nothing that impressive.

    Edit.
    Edit2. There's a 12% weapon dmge missing here, from Flawless Dawnbreaker.
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    Edited by SanTii.92 on January 9, 2016 8:47AM
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