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Elder Scrolls Online - BEST MMORPG of 2015 (Staff Pick and Players' Choice)

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These forums are so damn toxic, way more than they should be, but I guess it's something the most popular MMOs will always have to deal with.
So I guess it's nice seeing once in a while, some positive news regarding ESO, even though they are coming from outside sources or our Reddit Site.
ESO has achieved so much in 2015, yet you'd think based on these forums it's the worst MMO ever created. Well I have news for you, the general public doesn't think that.

MAIN AWARDS:

Best MMO of 2015 (Staff Pick) - The Elder Scrolls Online, Runners up: WildStar, Guild Wars 2, SWTOR, FFXIV
Best MMO of 2015 (Players' Choice - MMORPG.com) - The Elder Scrolls Online, Runners Up: Guild Wars 2, FFXIV
Link: http://www.mmorpg.com/newsroom.cfm/read/37754/Our-Readers-Speak-Best-of-for-2015-Revealed.html

Top 3 Results:

#1 The Elder Scrolls Online - 25.1%

#2 Guild Wars 2 - 13.4%
#3 Final Fantasy XIV - 13.1%

Best MMO of 2015 (Players' Choice - Massively.com) - The Elder Scrolls Online, Runners Up: FFXIV, Guild Wars 2
Link:http://massivelyop.com/2015/12/18/massively-ops-best-of-2015-awards-mmo-of-the-year/

Top 3 Results:

#1 The Elder Scrolls Online - 39%

#2 Final Fantasy XIV - 16%
#3 Guild Wars 2 - 10%

OTHER AWARDS:

Most Improved MMO of 2015 (Players' Choice) - The Elder Scrolls Online, Runners Up: Wildstar, SWTOR
Link: http://massivelyop.com/2015/12/09/massively-ops-best-of-2015-awards-most-improved/

Top 3 Results:

#1 The Elder Scrolls Online - 25%

#2 Wildstar - 20%
#3 Star Wars: The Old Republic - 13%

Most Underrated MMO of 2015 (Players' Choice) - The Elder Scrolls Online, Runners Up: TSW, Elite: Dangerous
Link: http://massivelyop.com/2015/12/07/massively-ops-best-of-2015-awards-most-underrated-mmo/

Top 3 Results:

#1 The Elder Scrolls Online - 16%

#2 The Secret World - 13%
#3 Elite: Dangerous - 8%
  • Robbmrp
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    The sad thing is this, with some major fixes to the game, ESO COULD BE THE #1 MMO EACH YEAR.....

    The things ESO does really well are
    1- The graphics on this game are incredible!
    2- The Game Play Mechanics are incredible!
    3- The quests/story line are really fun and immersive!
    4- Dungeon/Delves are a lot of fun

    The things that need major improvement:
    1- Cyrodil Lag....THIS MUST BE A PRIORITY. There have been SOOOO many people that have left due to this.
    2- Broken Skills/exploits need to be fixed WEEKLY, not Quarterly IF they are fixed AT ALL.
    3- Class/Balance. There shouldn't be such a huge gap in class balance. CP and Gear should be the only thing that really gives someone a big advantage. With such huge differences, people flock to the "Meta" of the month and flip back and forth more than a fish out of water
    4- Server Stability. If you can't log on, you can't play.

    When @ZOS decides that the improvements listed are more important that weekly Crown Store updates, that's when our population explodes and ESO becomes the #1 MMO year after year....
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  • dimensional
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    Hey, all MMOs are a work in progress. Every company has missteps in the life of their product management, and ZOS is no different in that regard. As long as the community remains passionate and dedicated to preserving the integrity of the game and providing excellent critique for the devs, and as long as the devs keep listening and caring about its players, there can be no wrong done. I just wish some of the people in this community exercised a little more patience and tact when they voice their concerns. I love ESO and don't ever see myself quitting the game unless something very drastic happened. Here's to a kickass 2016!
  • Merry
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    I love how its the best game of the year AND the most underrated game.
    I didnt play enough of the nominees to have a legit vote but i voted based on the fact that eso is one of only 2 games I played seriously in 2015 so I figure if it kept me busy for the year its gotta be good lol.. Grats to ZOS tho..

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  • Bloodfang
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    Robbmrp wrote: »
    The sad thing is this, with some major fixes to the game, ESO COULD BE THE #1 MMO EACH YEAR.....

    The things ESO does really well are
    1- The graphics on this game are incredible!
    2- The Game Play Mechanics are incredible!
    3- The quests/story line are really fun and immersive!
    4- Dungeon/Delves are a lot of fun

    The things that need major improvement:
    1- Cyrodil Lag....THIS MUST BE A PRIORITY. There have been SOOOO many people that have left due to this.
    2- Broken Skills/exploits need to be fixed WEEKLY, not Quarterly IF they are fixed AT ALL.
    3- Class/Balance. There shouldn't be such a huge gap in class balance. CP and Gear should be the only thing that really gives someone a big advantage. With such huge differences, people flock to the "Meta" of the month and flip back and forth more than a fish out of water
    4- Server Stability. If you can't log on, you can't play.

    When @ZOS decides that the improvements listed are more important that weekly Crown Store updates, that's when our population explodes and ESO becomes the #1 MMO year after year....

    ESO was Players' Voted as the Best MMO in 2014 as well. With the Updates coming in 2016, I don't see a reason why ESO shouldn't win "The Best MMO" for the 3rd time straight too. As far as I'm concerned this was the hardest year to win, as GW2, FFXIV and SWTOR all had a new Expansion.

    Othervise I agree with you. ZOS really needs to get better at fixing issues. Here's to a great 2016, I have a good feeling about it.
  • Eztrelle
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    Personal thoughts.

    ESO is pulled through by the strength of the Elder Scrolls Lore and the quality of the questing and large scale PVP.

    Functionally, in terms of quality and features of the user interface ( specifically the console version) , support and stability of the platform.... FFIV is way superior.

    Ez
  • PBpsy
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    No one said that ESO is not the BEST MMORPG at the moment.It is, but who here gives a snip?. What we are saying is that it is a complete mess.


    "In our eyes, no other game has done more to improve its lot and deliver on the wants of its players than Elder Scrolls Online. Not only did Zenimax manage to launch ESO on XB1 and PS4 this year, but they also converted their game to the more viable Buy to Play model. Since then, two massive DLC packs have been released, bringing the Imperial City to life in ESO and just recently the lost Orc city of Orsinium. Since its launch, ESO has done nothing but improve,"

    LOL
    B2P - The moment when ZOS admitted that their game failed. Funny enough most people that left before B2P never actually came back.
    Each "Improvement" added just a bit more lag , a bit more imbalance and a bit more frustration for the players.
    Each "Improvement" drove away a few more players.
    Edited by PBpsy on January 4, 2016 8:01PM
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  • stewart.leslie76b16_ESO
    Bloodfang wrote: »

    ESO was Players' Voted as the Best MMO in 2014 as well. With the Updates coming in 2016, I don't see a reason why ESO shouldn't win "The Best MMO" for the 3rd time straight too. As far as I'm concerned this was the hardest year to win, as GW2, FFXIV and SWTOR all had a new Expansion.

    Othervise I agree with you. ZOS really needs to get better at fixing issues. Here's to a great 2016, I have a good feeling about it.

    I'm going to agree with you, however Pathfinder is still on the edge of the radar. In it's P&P format it has hurt D&D, a lot of my friends have moved over to that system. If Goblinworks got their act together in the first place and not used.... Probably be liable what I intend to say next, so I'll leave it to your imagination...

    However, we as players should be a pack of howling hyenas, and be prepared to keep the devs on their toes in order to keep them on top of their game. Give credit where credit is due, but go for the throat when they do wrong.
    I, as a loyal member of the Foamy Cult, do solemnly swear to live a logical life free of stupidity, ignorance and all round jack assery. I shall do my best to enlighten those in need of Squirrelly Wisdom in hope of one day ridding the world of human idiocy. This I swear.
  • Bloodfang
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    Eztrelle wrote: »
    Personal thoughts.

    ESO is pulled through by the strength of the Elder Scrolls Lore and the quality of the questing and large scale PVP.

    Functionally, in terms of quality and features of the user interface ( specifically the console version) , support and stability of the platform.... FFIV is way superior.

    Ez

    Yet those strengths of ESO, are the biggest weaknesses of FFXIV. You won't find great quests there, stories, or PvP. It's all of a very abysmal quality. Though most MMOs can't brag about that either.

    The fact is that FFXIV is running on the old school MMO concept -> filler grind content to max level + forced group endgame progression. FFXIV IS a WoW clone, though an anime eastern version of it. Yet I'd still say it's better than WoW today.

    It's just not what an RPG is supposed to be. It's also not what MMO gamers want today anymore. So it's not a surprise really that ESO outsold FFXIV on PS4 by a huge margin, while it also outsold FFXIV on Steam, even though FFXIV launched with Steam and had almost 1 year of headstart from ESO there.

    Besides when you show someone a picture of ESO user interface and the FFXIV one, they will tell you they don't want to see all that crap on the screen. Yes FFXIV might have more functionality as far as user interface goes, but who really wants that? Casuals/Majority for sure not. I'm all for more options, but if it's forced like there, it's plain ugly.

    Also FFXIV is definitively not a game for everyone. If you're looking for an adult game, then FFXIV is definitively not one of them. Those cute anime faces turn most of the Western players away instantly.
    Edited by Bloodfang on January 4, 2016 8:33PM
  • iamnotweakrwb17_ESO
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    I don't know what kind of rose colored glasses those reviewers had on. This game isn't worth an MMO of the year. In fact if it got one legitimately, it says a lot about the state of the industry in general.

    What exactly occurred in ESO this year?

    Buy to play - Game would likely be completely dead if not for this.
    Champion system grind - Abysmal failure. It completely imbalanced the game while reducing the game to nothing but a zombie grind. Caused a huge amount of players to quit
    Failed Imperial City - Worst DLC ever. Caused even more people to quit and unnecessarily enraged a good chunk of those who stayed.
    Successful Orsinium - The only thing truly positive about ESO last year.

    Cyrodil lag is still around after a good year of it being in the game.
    Cyrodil death bugs - Unable to interact after death, Unable to click left attack or CC break, etc,etc are still in the game and have been there since launch.
    Class balance - Nightblades and sorcs are still the best thing since sliced bread
    CC still rules PvP - The game is player vs stamina due to the fact all hard hitting spammable attacks mindlessly CC. Probably the worst thing about ESO combat and will likely continue to be.
    Cyrodil blanket 50% damage reduction, 50% healing nerf and 50% shield nerf rendered a good chunk of player abilities useless.




  • dimensional
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    Champion system grind - Abysmal failure. It completely imbalanced the game while reducing the game to nothing but a zombie grind. Caused a huge amount of players to quit
    Failed Imperial City - Worst DLC ever. Caused even more people to quit and unnecessarily enraged a good chunk of those who stayed.

    Sources? Other than just reading people whining here on the forums or making up "facts" on the spot. I'd like to see an actual poll of people who quit the game listing the reasons why, to validate these above claims.
  • Anzriel
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    rofl OP I feel sorry for you. This is what happens when you dare to say you enjoy ESO on the ESO forums. People come out in force to *** talk the game (That most of those complaining continue to play). If I was as angry as most people seem to be at the game I sure as hell wouldn't be trolling the forums, I'd be off playing another game, or going out with friends. I mean this thread was started to show that, whether you like it or not, people enjoy this game. That doesn't mean you can't be unhappy with ESO, I have a lot of issues with the game as well, but you do need post you're unhappy in every single thread. Show a little tact. There are plenty of ways to show you're upset. Posting in a positive thread just shows you can't let others have fun.
    Edited by Anzriel on January 4, 2016 9:02PM
  • dimensional
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    ^ Agreed. My first post in this thread pretty much echoes these sentiments.
  • Bloodfang
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    Champion system grind - Abysmal failure. It completely imbalanced the game while reducing the game to nothing but a zombie grind. Caused a huge amount of players to quit
    Failed Imperial City - Worst DLC ever. Caused even more people to quit and unnecessarily enraged a good chunk of those who stayed.

    Sources? Other than just reading people whining here on the forums or making up "facts" on the spot. I'd like to see an actual poll of people who quit the game listing the reasons why, to validate these above claims.

    It's just the way people are on the official forums.

    I know Steam ain't the best source for ESO player numbers, as multiple polls showed that less than 10% of all players bought ESO through Steam/or Launch ESO through Steam. However if you compare the numbers between December 2014 and December 2015, you'll see that ESO has grown 288% in 1 year.

    Either way, ESO might have lost some players, but they've at least tripled their numbers on PC in the last year.
    Edited by Bloodfang on January 4, 2016 9:11PM
  • Jura23
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    Most laggy PvP MMO of the year. Well done, you earned it.
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  • Aeladiir
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    Robbmrp wrote: »
    The sad thing is this, with some major fixes to the game, ESO COULD BE THE #1 MMO EACH YEAR.....

    The things ESO does really well are
    1- The graphics on this game are incredible!
    2- The Game Play Mechanics are incredible!
    3- The quests/story line are really fun and immersive!
    4- Dungeon/Delves are a lot of fun

    The things that need major improvement:
    1- Cyrodil Lag....THIS MUST BE A PRIORITY. There have been SOOOO many people that have left due to this.
    2- Broken Skills/exploits need to be fixed WEEKLY, not Quarterly IF they are fixed AT ALL.
    3- Class/Balance. There shouldn't be such a huge gap in class balance. CP and Gear should be the only thing that really gives someone a big advantage. With such huge differences, people flock to the "Meta" of the month and flip back and forth more than a fish out of water
    4- Server Stability. If you can't log on, you can't play.

    When @ZOS decides that the improvements listed are more important that weekly Crown Store updates, that's when our population explodes and ESO becomes the #1 MMO year after year....

    ESO has been #1 last year (2014) and #1 this year (2015). So it has been, as you said, #1 EACH YEAR. Now for the 2016...
  • iamnotweakrwb17_ESO
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    Sources.... Seriously? Do you honestly think people who quit are going to come back to these forums just to be poled. Why don't you try some basic observational skills and use a bit of common sense. How about starting with your friends list. How many people no longer log in? Mine is almost entirely offline and the bulk of them stopped playing just before IC. What about these forums? Are they as busy as ever? No... people don't even come here to *** that much anymore. If a thread is started, I can come back in 8 hours time and I don't even have to go looking for it. It will still be on the first page. What about cyrodil numbers? Do you remember when there were multiple campaigns up that were full. How many are full now? Like 1! What about blackwater blade? Back in march that was full a heck of a lot. It's now rarely at cap. Sources....
  • Eztrelle
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    Bloodfang wrote: »
    Eztrelle wrote: »
    Personal thoughts.

    ESO is pulled through by the strength of the Elder Scrolls Lore and the quality of the questing and large scale PVP.

    Functionally, in terms of quality and features of the user interface ( specifically the console version) , support and stability of the platform.... FFIV is way superior.

    Ez

    Yet those strengths of ESO, are the biggest weaknesses of FFXIV. You won't find great quests there, stories, or PvP. It's all of a very abysmal quality. Though most MMOs can't brag about that either.

    The fact is that FFXIV is running on the old school MMO concept -> filler grind content to max level + forced group endgame progression. FFXIV IS a WoW clone, though an anime eastern version of it. Yet I'd still say it's better than WoW today.

    It's just not what an RPG is supposed to be. It's also not what MMO gamers want today anymore. So it's not a surprise really that ESO outsold FFXIV on PS4 by a huge margin, while it also outsold FFXIV on Steam, even though FFXIV launched with Steam and had almost 1 year of headstart from ESO there.

    Besides when you show someone a picture of ESO user interface and the FFXIV one, they will tell you they don't want to see all that crap on the screen. Yes FFXIV might have more functionality as far as user interface goes, but who really wants that? Casuals/Majority for sure not. I'm all for more options, but if it's forced like there, it's plain ugly.

    Also FFXIV is definitively not a game for everyone. If you're looking for an adult game, then FFXIV is definitively not one of them. Those cute anime faces turn most of the Western players away instantly.

    Nice answer and I do agree with most of what you say. FF14 is a WoW clone and agree that ESO is a fresh look at the MMO genre. I still maintain that there are three issues and I am talking about the console version as I have no experience of the PC version, that ESO suffers from that stops making a good game absolutely great.

    1.) The UI should have had options. If you want buff bars to help you min/max just switch them on. If you want to socialise effectively inside the game .. Just turn text chat on. Voice chat for playing a four man dungeon is very good. Voice chat for socialising and making friends is impossible the way it is set up in ESO. Voice chat for organising large scale PvP is not possible the way it is set up. Just give us the option to turn it on if the player wants it.

    2.) Stability and infrastructure. This is very poor. I cite the lagging and log on issues. Not seen an MMO like it since Age of Conan was first released.

    3.) Support and Communication. In game through GMs and phone. It again is poor.

    These three points FF14 excels at.

    Ez





    Edited by Eztrelle on January 4, 2016 9:19PM
  • reften
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    Jura23 wrote: »
    Most laggy PvP MMO of the year. Well done, you earned it.

    So, name another MMO with PVP that features hundreds of players at once that isn't laggy?

    I've sunk more time in ESO than any other game I've played in the last 30 years.

    My guess is, that is the case for many other gamers too.

    they must be doing something right.
    Reften
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    Azuras & Trueflame. Mostly PvP, No alts.

    Semi-retired till the lag is fixed.

    Love the Packers, Bourbon, and ESO...one of those will eventually kill me.
  • PBpsy
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    reften wrote: »
    Jura23 wrote: »
    Most laggy PvP MMO of the year. Well done, you earned it.

    So, name another MMO with PVP that features hundreds of players at once that isn't laggy?

    ESO at PC launch.When there were actually "hundreds of players" and there was no lag.
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  • dimensional
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    There most certainly was lag.
  • PBpsy
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    There most certainly was lag.

    No . There wasn't . There were some fps drops on older machines and the usual performance issues when raining but the absurd lag came a few months after launch.
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  • dimensional
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    Yes. There was. There were many moments in 100+ man battles where the lag was unbearable during launch.
  • PBpsy
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    Yes. There was. There were many moments in 100+ man battles where the lag was unbearable during launch.

    I have never seen that. However a few months after you didn't need 100+ to get the lag. From then on, you just needed ~20.
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  • dimensional
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    Yeah, it's an ongoing process. A lot of the people who complain about the lag (rightfully so, of course; lag sucks) have no idea the amount of work that goes into figuring these problems out. Some seem to think it's a simple matter of changing some numerical values here and there; the game systems that all work together are so interconnected that changing one thing will impact 20 other flags and so forth. I have confidence in ZOS that the lag will be continuously worked on.
  • AllHailFred
    ESO only won the award because there's no other good MMO in 2015, this won't happen in 2016, since there are better MMO coming soon.
  • dimensional
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    ESO only won the award because there's no other good MMO in 2015, this won't happen in 2016, since there are better MMO coming soon.

    ...such as?
  • Anzriel
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    ESO only won the award because there's no other good MMO in 2015, this won't happen in 2016, since there are better MMO coming soon.

    ...such as?

    I assume he's referring to Black Desert, or Blade and Soul. Not sure which other MMO is anticipated next year off the top of my head.
  • Eztrelle
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    ESO only won the award because there's no other good MMO in 2015, this won't happen in 2016, since there are better MMO coming soon.

    ...such as?

    Double such as?

    Ez


  • Bloodfang
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    ESO only won the award because there's no other good MMO in 2015, this won't happen in 2016, since there are better MMO coming soon.

    2015 was one of the best years for MMOs actually. These 4 MMOs had a huge year:

    - ESO -> Update 6, PS4 and Xbox1 Release, Tamriel Unlimited + IC and Orsinium DLCs
    - GW2 -> Heart of Thorns Expansion
    - SWTOR -> Knights of the Fallen Empire Expansion
    - FFXIV -> Heavensward Expansion

    As for the future it doesn't look good. No new MMOs that are really AAA.
    The most hyped is Black Desert which is basically Archeage 2.0.
    Star Citizen doesn't look that good.
    While there are no news regarding EQ Next.
  • Eztrelle
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    Hmmmm Star Citizen....

    Now there's a game destined to fail from a project delivery perspective. No clear definition at concept stage... It seems to just organically grow with funding.

    Will be interesting to see what happens with it.

    Sorry to derail the thread.

    Ez
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