is there a reason why there isn't very many stamina moves for a stamina sorcerer

found1779 · January 2016

Why isn't there any moves for a stamina sorcerer hardly this is ridiculous. I like to be a sorcerer and a werewolf so I'm stamina based to give my werewolf strength. but thats about as far as it goes there are more magicka morphs for a sorcerer then there are stamina morphs. this is unacceptable people have different play styles and i feel only a certain play style is all you guys at zos care about magicka based. you expect us just to use weapon skills to get by on as a stamina sorcerer why is this more of the sorcerer abilities them selves need to have stamina morphs. I do not feel like having to switch my play style just cause you guys lack of options for a stamina sorcerer. heck even the assault skill line is a shared skill line for stamina players and magicka players yet there is only a magicka burst damage move in it there isn't no burst damage move for stamina players in even the assault line.why is only the weapon moves all we can use but nothing else.

SemiD4rkness · January 2016

They want you to be harry potter just like they want templars to be the nurses

Tavore1138 · January 2016

Without wanting to be flippant about it it is because magic and sorcery are fed by magicka not stamina in the same way that I, as a dual wielder do not have a magicka based version of my weapon skills because they are driven by by stamina.

found1779 · January 2016

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

They want you to be harry potter just like they want templars to be the nurses

Guess so it's ridiculous really being able to play the way you want is basically impossible I guess. unless someone wants to not be the strongest which is just dumb.

AzraelKrieg · January 2016

A stam sorc can be effective even with the minimal amount of stamina morphs the sorc skills have. Besides, if you aren't using all the resources you have you aren't being effective enough. Skills that a stam sorc would use that are magicka based include Crit Surge, Dark Deal, and Streak. It doesn't need a load of stam morphs because it barely uses the sorc skill lines anyway.

Kammakazi · January 2016

Why don't DKs have any Stamina moves?

Why don't DKs have any mobility?

Why don't Templars have any mobility?

The list goes on...

Drakilian · January 2016

Why do all the stam sorcerers complaining on the forums think they're special in this? Do none of them realize that ALL the classes have a much larger focus on magic than stam, which is made up for by the largely stamina-focused weapon skill lines?

Or how about the fact that if you want to play a stamina class, why in hell would you go for the one class in every piece of fiction that is universally mystical and magical in nature, I.e the sorcerer?

found1779 · January 2016

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

A stam sorc can be effective even with the minimal amount of stamina morphs the sorc skills have. Besides, if you aren't using all the resources you have you aren't being effective enough. Skills that a stam sorc would use that are magicka based include Crit Surge, Dark Deal, and Streak. It doesn't need a load of stam morphs because it barely uses the sorc skill lines anyway.

Exactly tho I just think more sorcerer abilities should have more stamina morphs is all. I mean nightblades have a bunch of stamina morphs for there abilities and also can use weapon skills but yet sorcerers only have a few I don't understand why

PainfulFAFA · January 2016

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

A stam sorc can be effective even with the minimal amount of stamina morphs the sorc skills have. Besides, if you aren't using all the resources you have you aren't being effective enough. Skills that a stam sorc would use that are magicka based include Crit Surge, Dark Deal, and Streak. It doesn't need a load of stam morphs because it barely uses the sorc skill lines anyway.

Pvp wise
Crit Surge is only good if you have at least 60%, but it shields cant be crit'ed and the most you'll see will probably be 6k hp.
Dark deal gives 1500 hp back and only 2.1k stam (barely enough for an extra stam ability) and can be easily interrupted.
Streak is a free cc immunity for my enemy, barely does dmg, and is probably good when you're in a groups and youre trying to cc enemy groups for a bomb

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

Without wanting to be flippant about it it is because magic and sorcery are fed by magicka not stamina in the same way that I, as a dual wielder do not have a magicka based version of my weapon skills because they are driven by by stamina.

Wouldnt it be interesting to see sorc abilities that boosted their stamina capabilities?
Something to do with lightning or perhaps something i can summon? Conjurated spear? idk something besides the crap they call pets.

Brrrofski · January 2016

Drakilian wrote: »

Why do all the stam sorcerers complaining on the forums think they're special in this? Do none of them realize that ALL the classes have a much larger focus on magic than stam, which is made up for by the largely stamina-focused weapon skill lines?

Or how about the fact that if you want to play a stamina class, why in hell would you go for the one class in every piece of fiction that is universally mystical and magical in nature, I.e the sorcerer?

Stam sorcs have 1 stam morph and it's a resistance buff that does horrible aoe damage. The movement speed buff is lower than the magica one so it eats up you stamina. So everyone uses the magica.

Granted DKs only have two DoTs, but templars have 3 I think (one being a very good spammable skill) and NBs have like 4 or 5 I think.

So stam sorcs do fall behind. If they ever nerf wrecking blow, stam sorcs are done

Jar_Ek · January 2016

To answer the OP, stamina sorcerers used to have even fewer stamina morphs because sorcerers abilities are pretty much all magical by design and when the game started on PC all class skills were magicka only. Zos realised that this would be an issue when soft caps were removed but did not add many stamina morphs to any class. NBs got the best stamina morphs as some abilities could easily be envisaged as non magical.

Now at launch with soft caps stamina sorcerers were an extremely viable option, now they are kinda niche as core sorcerer skills are hugely ineffective which is not always the case for other classes magicka morphs.

The best skills for stamina sorcerers are:
Critical surge, Boundless / Thunderous Presence, Streak, Bound Armaments.
You may also get some use from Clannfear and Encase.

Good luck and look up FENGRUSH for some more insight into playstyle.

found1779 · January 2016

Brrrofski wrote: »

Drakilian wrote: »

Why do all the stam sorcerers complaining on the forums think they're special in this? Do none of them realize that ALL the classes have a much larger focus on magic than stam, which is made up for by the largely stamina-focused weapon skill lines?

Or how about the fact that if you want to play a stamina class, why in hell would you go for the one class in every piece of fiction that is universally mystical and magical in nature, I.e the sorcerer?

Stam sorcs have 1 stam morph and it's a resistance buff that does horrible aoe damage. The movement speed buff is lower than the magica one so it eats up you stamina. So everyone uses the magica.

Granted DKs only have two DoTs, but templars have 3 I think (one being a very good spammable skill) and NBs have like 4 or 5 I think.

So stam sorcs do fall behind. If they ever nerf wrecking blow, stam sorcs are done

Exactly if they nerf wrecking blow it is the only freaking move available to a stamina sorcerer to be considered burst damage. stamina sorcerer would basically be useless they might as well take away the few abilities it does have and make them magicka morphs again. I'm glad to see someone else understands were I'm coming from stamina sorcerers need more stamina morphs cause the amount they have now is ridiculous and they kind if suck the ones available anyways lol.

found1779 · January 2016

I must have a nack for choosing the most unpopular play styles in a mmo or something.I use to play dcuo as a nature character but soon realized nature on there wasn't as strong as the other powers and it never hardly gets a update.and falls behind same thing on here I start playing eso on console wanting to be a werewolf so I become one thinking to myself oh I'll be able to play the way I want on here.just to be disappointed that a stamina sorcerer is like nature on dcuo it isn't very popular with the development. and has very few moves compared to a magicka sorcerer.omg why must I always choose the less popular options all the time lol

Alucardo · January 2016

Kammakazi wrote: »

Why don't DKs have any Stamina moves?

They have 2 stamina morphs of their DoTs. Unstable flame being one of the most powerful DoTs in the game

Kammakazi wrote: »

Why don't DKs have any mobility?

Because they are supposed to be able to stand their ground instead of fleeing out of cowardice like a Nightblade or Sorcerer. Keyword being "supposed".

Kammakazi wrote: »

Why don't Templars have any mobility?

Who gives a damn about Templars. They can just spam heals until help arrives.

Drakilian · January 2016

Now what's this crap about "free CC immunity" being granted with Streak?

Break free costs a hell of a lot of stamina, and if you're consistent with CCs like streak you can drain someone's stamin to the point that they can't break free that next time, and which point they have lost, because no stam=no break free=dead.

Besides, for a stam sorc streak should be used to throw off opponent targeting by streaking through them in the middle of a rotation before continuing your own, which helps you preserve stamina.

Tankqull · January 2016

Drakilian wrote: »

Now what's this crap about "free CC immunity" being granted with Streak?

Break free costs a hell of a lot of stamina, and if you're consistent with CCs like streak you can drain someone's stamin to the point that they can't break free that next time, and which point they have lost, because no stam=no break free=dead.

Besides, for a stam sorc streak should be used to throw off opponent targeting by streaking through them in the middle of a rotation before continuing your own, which helps you preserve stamina.

because with the true instant gapcloseres the 1sec it applies cc wears off before they have a second streak applied to get away - if they use streak to finish you off while being cced you have made a mistake beforehand anyway...

Ahzek · January 2016

@Drakilian the crap about free immunity is that streak only lasts 1.5 seconds, which is not enough in 99% of situations to actually achieve anything meaningful. Thus many decent players just let the streak CC run out and enjoy the 6secs of uppercut CC immunity.

@found1779 as a stam sorc WW myself, while it is not the top dog off classes, in this game you can make just about everything work (except hybrids) if you put enough effort and thought into it.

DschiPeunt · January 2016

Alucardo wrote: »

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Kammakazi wrote: »

Why don't Templars have any mobility?

Who gives a damn about Templars. They can just spam heals until help arrives.

Unless you have tried healing through someone spamming wrecking blow in your face, please don't act like a templar would be invincible. Even with a full healer setup, that doesn't work because of CC immunity and the need to break free from time to time.

Tomato · January 2016

Does Sorcerer sound like a stamina or magic class?

found1779 · January 2016

Tomato wrote: »

Does Sorcerer sound like a stamina or magic class?

Magicka but it doesn't matter tho your suppose to be able to play the way you want.but can not cause of limitations sorcerer has it needs more stamina morphs.

found1779 · January 2016

There isn't even a sorcerer morph for your pets thats stamina thats dumb.

Refuse2GrowUp · January 2016

found1779 wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

A stam sorc can be effective even with the minimal amount of stamina morphs the sorc skills have. Besides, if you aren't using all the resources you have you aren't being effective enough. Skills that a stam sorc would use that are magicka based include Crit Surge, Dark Deal, and Streak. It doesn't need a load of stam morphs because it barely uses the sorc skill lines anyway.

Exactly tho I just think more sorcerer abilities should have more stamina morphs is all. I mean nightblades have a bunch of stamina morphs for there abilities and also can use weapon skills but yet sorcerers only have a few I don't understand why

Create a NB then

Artjuh90 · January 2016

play's a niche build and goes cry -,-'
although i agree stamsorc could use some help it has as mutch stamina morphs as the other classes. only difference in them is they are more utilty based then damage

ScooberSteve · January 2016

I suggested going and doing some research. Sorcs make strong stamina builds now with the few stamina morphs they have. There few but effective

dday3six · January 2016

ESO has undergone several changes. Stamina wasn't supported as a dedicated build focus like it is today, and as such not every class has been completely converted to support it. Stamina Sorc is a relatively new build in the scheme of things. ZOS will likely support it more in the future.

Nova Sky · January 2016

Stamina-based sorcs. What's next? Magicka-based tanks? Part of me wishes that ZOS would simple create new classes to handle the players' wants/needs, rather than messing too much with "traditional" classes.

Alucardo · January 2016

ScooberSteve wrote: »

I suggested going and doing some research. Sorcs make strong stamina builds now with the few stamina morphs they have. There few but effective

The only decent stamina morph stam sorc has is bound armaments, which is a toggle you need on both bars. I can't afford that because my slots are full with weapon, armour and alliance skills that help me more.
Thundering presence is a stamina morph and it sucks big ones.
Stam sorc has some passives, but they rely on having specific abilities on your bar before they are active, which is near useless because like I said, they use a lot of non-sorc skills.

Forestd16b14_ESO · January 2016

All classes have like 2 stamina morphs.

Alucardo · January 2016

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

All classes have like 2 stamina morphs.

Except Nightblade.

Holycannoli · January 2016

found1779 wrote: »

There isn't even a sorcerer morph for your pets thats stamina thats dumb.

The pet stamina morphs should be some kind of bound weapon. Something that will enhance your current weapon not replace it, like Bound Armor does.

Waseem · January 2016

hybrid builds ^^