ostrapz wrote: »

Some of you are simply lying in this thread, someone trying to say they have a 3k ward?? Gtfo. People complaining about ward isnt strong enough is simply a lie. I just saw a sorc named micha in richard stream with a 25k+ damage shield. You cant just run a good sorc outta stam and usually hide on mines which are unavoidable on lag. Hardened ward is the only ability that is gonna give u an instant 10k health reliably, and pull u out of execution range, the fact u cant crit sheilds makes some builds useless( wheres my briarheart heals on sorc). I havent played since launch but ive been given the impression nb was bad , got buffed, dk and templar nerfed and that sorc has always been fine

"Hardened ward is the only ability that is gonna give u an instant 10k health reliably, and pull u out of execution range..."

This is completely FALSE. Popping a Ward, no matter its size, does NOT pull you out of execution range. Other Sorcs can easily proc Mage's Fury on me if my health is low, the current size of my Ward makes no difference whatsoever.

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

ostrapz wrote: »

Some of you are simply lying in this thread, someone trying to say they have a 3k ward?? Gtfo. People complaining about ward isnt strong enough is simply a lie. I just saw a sorc named micha in richard stream with a 25k+ damage shield. You cant just run a good sorc outta stam and usually hide on mines which are unavoidable on lag. Hardened ward is the only ability that is gonna give u an instant 10k health reliably, and pull u out of execution range, the fact u cant crit sheilds makes some builds useless( wheres my briarheart heals on sorc). I havent played since launch but ive been given the impression nb was bad , got buffed, dk and templar nerfed and that sorc has always been fine

"Hardened ward is the only ability that is gonna give u an instant 10k health reliably, and pull u out of execution range..."

This is completely FALSE. Popping a Ward, no matter its size, does NOT pull you out of execution range. Other Sorcs can easily proc Mage's Fury on me if my health is low, the current size of my Ward makes no difference whatsoever.

You are correct, H.Ward will not get you out of execute range. Healing Ward however will, and of course, Sorcs are popping both...possibly Annulment as well

NightRibon23444 wrote: »

Nerf

buff sorcs

making shield 50% less effective doesn't actually nerf sorcerers that mutch, it evening the playfield. because all healing is nerfed 50% aswell it wouldn't make sense if shields got their full 100%.
p.s. all the sorcerers crying about nightblades gankinng doing alot of damage maybe, just maybe it has something to do about your armor.
let's not forget a sorc has more damage migrition then any other class without healthinvestment with lightarmor and ss

Just fix how shields stack and the problem is solved.

RatedChaotic wrote: »

The 3 shields and 70+ points in bastion is just awesome. I love it. I can take on bosses better than my tank and nb.

As a sorc I hardly use the dampen or harness nor do I use a healing staff and I do just fine in pvp or Pve. VMA or 1v1 pvp is fine without "stacking" shields.

Without hardened ward though or a lesser effective ward will probably kill the class though

RatedChaotic wrote: »

pronkg wrote: »

RatedChaotic wrote: »

The 3 shields and 70+ points in bastion is just awesome. I love it. I can take on bosses better than my tank and nb.

As a sorc I hardly use the dampen or harness nor do I use a healing staff and I do just fine in pvp or Pve. VMA or 1v1 pvp is fine without "stacking" shields.

Without hardened ward though or a lesser effective ward will probably kill the class though

Yes but the point is a sorc should not beable to tank better than a tank.

They don't...... Thats like say putting 100 points in reduce dodgeroll cost and tank a boss by dodgerolling with a nightblade you can go on endlessly like that.

A sorc can't tank a big group of mobs and a boss and survive by getting healed.

Stay realistic please.

Sorc is not overpowered. DK and Templar are underpowered.

Nerf sorc more and they'll be the easy kill in pvp

Dks were nerfed into the ground,
Temps who were always bad still keep getting nerfs

..... Your time Now
And nb's ..... Soon

Artjuh90 wrote: »

making shield 50% less effective doesn't actually nerf sorcerers that mutch, it evening the playfield. because all healing is nerfed 50% aswell it wouldn't make sense if shields got their full 100%.
p.s. all the sorcerers crying about nightblades gankinng doing alot of damage maybe, just maybe it has something to do about your armor.
let's not forget a sorc has more damage migrition then any other class without healthinvestment with lightarmor and ss

@Artjuh90 That would be true if armor and resistances were applied with a shield on...sadly it doesn't so your P.S. is invalid. The real reason is NBs do a crap-ton of damage regardless of the armor you're using due to armor penetration...armor doesn't really matter much in PvP since everyone has armor penetration or spell penetration.

pronkg wrote: »

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

pronkg wrote: »

RatedChaotic wrote: »

pronkg wrote: »

RatedChaotic wrote: »

The 3 shields and 70+ points in bastion is just awesome. I love it. I can take on bosses better than my tank and nb.

As a sorc I hardly use the dampen or harness nor do I use a healing staff and I do just fine in pvp or Pve. VMA or 1v1 pvp is fine without "stacking" shields.

Without hardened ward though or a lesser effective ward will probably kill the class though

Yes but the point is a sorc should not beable to tank better than a tank.

They don't...... Thats like say putting 100 points in reduce dodgeroll cost and tank a boss by dodgerolling with a nightblade you can go on endlessly like that.

A sorc can't tank a big group of mobs and a boss and survive by getting healed.

Stay realistic please.

Not sure what you are implying here. Sounds like you are suggesting a Sorcs shields should not be part of the equation in determining its 'tankiness'?

I'm implying that a sorc can't ever outtank stuff with its shields like a proper tank build can tank stuff. That's why you don't see magicka sorc tanks anywhere in game.

@pronkg I would like to point out that there are Sorc Magicka tanks (good ones, I might add) but their build is very specific for it and usually relies on only shield stacking with not much room for other supportive abilities and DPS, something that the proper tank build can usually afford to do.

Zinaroth wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Zinaroth wrote: »

Jaywics wrote: »

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

When did sorcerers get nerfed?

If you read patch notes at all....Every update lol...

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

When did sorcerers get nerfed?

Every couple months since the Beta.

I bet you're both console players otherwise you would remember how much sorcs grew in power from 1.5 to 1.6 along with the NBs.

The only classes that overall has been nerfed since beta are DKs and Templars, with DKs taking the biggest hit since they were insanely OP in the beginning.

The only class that has never had a time of domination in Cyrodiil are Templars.

DKs had 1.0 - 1.5
Sorcs had 1.6 - 1.7
NBs are currently now dominating since 1.8 with sorcs still being a very close second

This is the truth of it really, and you're both painting a skewered picture.

Stamina builds still hit stupidly hard, hardened ward takes 1 hit from most high dmg stam builds and it's gone/

Completely irrelevant.
I was quoting some guys claiming Sorcs have only revieved nerfs since beta and correcting them.

To answer you though: As a stamplar I can't recognize the scenario you're painting at all. For me it's very hard to get through a shield faster than it gets applied, especially since jabs damage is bugged against shields. I really don't care much for sorcs spamming conjured wards. And even if we could get through it in 1 hit, why is that not fair? One cast to apply and one cast to take down. I think all the sorcs in this thread is making a big fuss about an ability thay is already really strong. Give people power and they will ask for more I guess...

Your asking why someone getting through a class defensive ability in 1 hit is bad? Your know wb will cause cc by the time you get up you'll be hit again with 20% more. So 1 hit completely negates it? Your telling sorc to repeatedly cast hardened ward against stam build because 1 hit will remove it and without it they die.

If jabs wasn't bugged stamlars would do so much dmg to sorc.

Getting hit by a crystal frag from stealth seems highly unlikely lol

@Jar_Ek @Emma_Eunjung , im not saying a ward keeps an execution from proccing, but by the time u eat the ward away a sorc will have bolted away ,popped a pot or given theirself skme form of heal if their not stupid... And as far as ur saying with stam sorcs thats a whole diffrent thing. Obviously a atam sorc ward is weak as hell and a stam sorc shouldnt even run ward , its based off magicka. For the record i think stam sorcs should get a morph for dps somewhere.. And magicka sorcs need something done, idc what anyone says the wards are too strong. Make em crit or drop their total a bit less, we have all seen endless sorc duels where noone even gets past sheilds. Most sorcs are pure dps but they are fine just taking damage. Im sure most of you have watched a sypher stream and 3 or 4 people are in melee range dps-ing him and he doesnt even streak away, no this "glass cannon" build just stands their reapplying wards. Noone acheiving that much dps should b able to mitigate that much damage as well.