Detonation was better when it had a wind up time so 24 man trains couldnt put it in a rotation without screwing up mobility.

N1 zos

found1779 wrote: »

Just was wondering the last to skills you unlock in assault is caltraps and magicka detnation is caltraps suppose to be the skill that's suppose to be like magicka detnation is only for stamina builds and if it is then why is it not as powerful as magicka detnation caltraps should also be on the same performance level damage wise as magicka detnation but it isn't caltraps should get a damage increase for everyone that's in them also just like magicka detnation gets when your near the person who has it on them

Is your keyboard missing the period and comma keys?? I have seen others comment, after everyone of your posts, about punctuation. It genuinely is difficult to decipher what you are trying to say. If you put as much diligence into your learning the game's mechanics and getting the hang of PvP as you do writing your forum threads, then I can easily understand how you are having such a hard time with the game.

And no, they are two completely different skills with different purposes. Both are powerful and useful in their own right...but they are not, and should not be, the same.

Why would you want a crappy mag detonation on stam when you can spam steal tornado 6 or 7 times in the same time ? Without much concern of: people getting away from all of it , you accidental reseting the timers ,the direct magicka damage reduction champion perks and annulment.
Stamina players SMH.

found1779 wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

Why would you want a crappy mag detonation on stam when you can spam steal tornado 6 or 7 times in the same time ? Without much concern of: people getting away from all of it , you accidental reseting the timers ,the direct magicka damage reduction champion perks and annulment.
Stamina players SMH.

Cause it isn't like there really is a hard hitting move in the assult line for a stamina build except caltrops and it doesn't do very good damage unless someone is just standing in them which never hardly happens magicka detnation does alot of damage in a shorter amount of time i just don't understand why there isn't no good move in assult that goes off of weapon damage and stamina but yet the final skill you get in assult is magicka detnation how does this move even benefit a stamina player none at all and as such caltrops should do more damage in a short amount of time like magicka detnation does

No. Caltrops is a massively useful skill in and out of PVP. It doesn't need to be made better in any way. If you can't figure out how it benefits a stamina player, then you haven't spent any time at all thinking about it.

UrQuan wrote: »

found1779 wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

Why would you want a crappy mag detonation on stam when you can spam steal tornado 6 or 7 times in the same time ? Without much concern of: people getting away from all of it , you accidental reseting the timers ,the direct magicka damage reduction champion perks and annulment.
Stamina players SMH.

Cause it isn't like there really is a hard hitting move in the assult line for a stamina build except caltrops and it doesn't do very good damage unless someone is just standing in them which never hardly happens magicka detnation does alot of damage in a shorter amount of time i just don't understand why there isn't no good move in assult that goes off of weapon damage and stamina but yet the final skill you get in assult is magicka detnation how does this move even benefit a stamina player none at all and as such caltrops should do more damage in a short amount of time like magicka detnation does

No. Caltrops is a massively useful skill in and out of PVP. It doesn't need to be made better in any way. If you can't figure out how it benefits a stamina player, then you haven't spent any time at all thinking about it.

But yet magicka builds can magicka detnation and batswarm a whole group of ppl and wipe them out i do not see caltrops being able to do that i am just saying it isn't right the last skill you unlock is assult is magicka based and the other one caltrops doesn't do as much damage as magicka detnation does

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Someone take this kid's forum account away please.

Your rude please don't type

Caltrops and Magicka Det aren't parallels. Since you are basing your comparison on the AVA rank required to unlock the skills, understand that prior to IC Vigor was the final skill in the tree. Vigor is IMO a much more powerful skill than Magicka Det overall, but it serves a different purpose from Det as does Caltrops. You seem to be complaining however that Stamina builds don't get any high burst skills from the assault tree.

Well, stamina builds don't need it- by design they get high burst from the weapon trees that magicka builds do not. However, they lack proper heals. In contrast, magicka builds have great healing from their assigned weapon and class trees, but largely lack heavy burst (sans sorcs). So if you can put 2 and 2 together, it's fairly obvious to see that the alliance war trees serve to make each playstyle more rounded and unlock their full potential. Quite frankly, Stamina builds with a Stam det would be hella OP, and conversely a magicka vigor would make magicka builds hella OP. Hope that makes sense.

But just for future reference man, learn to use punctuation FFS.

Caltrops isn't meant to be a massive dps spell. It's VERY useful at what it does do. Asking for caltrops to have more damage is like saying that healing springs doesn't do enough dps. It's not what it's meant to do.

found1779 wrote: »

CyrusArya wrote: »

Caltrops and Magicka Det aren't parallels. Since you are basing your comparison on the AVA rank required to unlock the skills, understand that prior to IC Vigor was the final skill in the tree. Vigor is IMO a much more powerful skill than Magicka Det overall, but it serves a different purpose from Det as does Caltrops. You seem to be complaining however that Stamina builds don't get any high burst skills from the assault tree.

Well, stamina builds don't need it- by design they get high burst from the weapon trees that magicka builds do not. However, they lack proper heals. In contrast, magicka builds have great healing from their assigned weapon and class trees, but largely lack heavy burst (sans sorcs). So if you can put 2 and 2 together, it's fairly obvious to see that the alliance war trees serve to make each playstyle more rounded and unlock their full potential. Quite frankly, Stamina builds with a Stam det would be hella OP, and conversely a magicka vigor would make magicka builds hella OP. Hope that makes sense.

But just for future reference man, learn to use punctuation FFS.

I see what your saying but i still don't understand why magicka detnation is the ability in the assult line why even get the last skill it does nothing for stamina builds vigor might benefit stamina builds better then magicka but if you are trying to stack dps like i do vigor isn't even useful it seems they made magicka detnation and caltrops the 2 last skills to unlock so one would benefit a stamina build player and the other would benefit a magicka build player but the magicka skill is more op then the stamina one caltrops it's not fair that's why i'm compareing them

Magicka Detonation doesn't snare and doesn't even last 27 seconds. It has a puny area of effect. If anything caltrops is overpowered. It think they need to buff magicka detonation to be instant cast, pulse dot damage every second for 27 seconds in an area the size of caltrops and snare as well. Then they would both be equal, right?

redspecter23 wrote: »

Caltrops isn't meant to be a massive dps spell. It's VERY useful at what it does do. Asking for caltrops to have more damage is like saying that healing springs doesn't do enough dps. It's not what it's meant to do.

Since it's not meant to do massive damage then i don't understand why there isnt a skill in the assult line tho to do massive damage for a stamina player this is after all a skill line that should benefit both just like fighters guild abilitys help stamina and mages guild skills help magicka players all stamina players get is a heal from it that's not useful for a stamina damage player tho might be for a tank but not stamina dps

found1779 wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

Proxy det is way more practical than caltrops. Caltrops might be as good if it cost about 1/3 of the casting cost.

Yes and the damage it does per second is a joke the damage needs increased it does cause atm it hits light i literally see people just standing in them cause it does nothing hardly and this is suppose to benefit stamina builds ha idk how unless you just want an aoe that last for awhile you can throw down and get ap from i guess when there is a group of people going at it cause It's not very effective 1 vs 1

I refuse to read past the first few words as I cannot, and will not, kill brain cells trying to decipher your run-on mess.

Simply, Caltrops scales to weapon damage. Unless something in your build has changed, your w.dmg is extremely sub-optimal. Please keep in mind that the numbers you are seeing is not what the average player is seeing. If you fail to see the value of Caltrops as they are, then you will not find value in using the skill and really do not need to waste your time grinding for it since you have posted repeatedly how much you hate PvP and how broken it is for you. Tho, at am at a loss as to how you are even still playing the game since you posted you rage broke the game disc in half one of the times you failed to get a PvP win (or something along those lines).

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

found1779 wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

Proxy det is way more practical than caltrops. Caltrops might be as good if it cost about 1/3 of the casting cost.

Yes and the damage it does per second is a joke the damage needs increased it does cause atm it hits light i literally see people just standing in them cause it does nothing hardly and this is suppose to benefit stamina builds ha idk how unless you just want an aoe that last for awhile you can throw down and get ap from i guess when there is a group of people going at it cause It's not very effective 1 vs 1

I refuse to read past the first few words as I cannot, and will not, kill brain cells trying to decipher your run-on mess.

Simply, Caltrops scales to weapon damage. Unless something in your build has changed, your w.dmg is extremely sub-optimal. Please keep in mind that the numbers you are seeing is not what the average player is seeing. If you fail to see the value of Caltrops as they are, then you will not find value in using the skill and really do not need to waste your time grinding for it since you have posted repeatedly how much you hate PvP and how broken it is for you. Tho, at am at a loss as to how you are even still playing the game since you posted you rage broke the game disc in half one of the times you failed to get a PvP win (or something along those lines).

And i also refuse to read the rest of your post after you said the kill brain cells part jerk

Ruben wrote: »

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There you go, buddy.

You and trolls like you is what ruins the forums When someone post something on here and you guys come in like the annoyance you are and start bashing the post someone has made honestly if you do not like that i do not use periods and such you all have the option to block me that simple but instead you would rather come and bash every post i make god grow up and use the options you and ppl like you have

found1779 wrote: »

Ruben wrote: »

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There you go, buddy.

You and trolls like you is what ruins the forums When someone post something on here and you guys come in like the annoyance you are and start bashing the post someone has made honestly if you do not like that i do not use periods and such you all have the option to block me that simple but instead you would rather come and bash every post i make god grow up and use the options you and ppl like you have

Could you seriously please use basic grammer, full stop capital letter, commas? People will likely answer you more seriously.