Terrible Customer Support Once Again *sigh*

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I've never ever dealt with a company that was so completely hit and miss with their customer support. Out of the times I've had to deal with ZOS CS I'd say around 40% of the time it's been good, with the issue resolved satisfactorily relatively quickly. The rest of the time it's absolutely terrible.

A few days ago I was leveling Clothing on one of my characters by deconstructing a bunch of stuff from my bank. This character didn't have any gear in his bag, and no gear that was in my bank was anything other than decon trash.

I finished deconstructing everything that was in my bank, and stepped away from the clothing station to notice that my character suddenly isn't wearing his helmet. I opened up his inventory and, sure enough, it's gone. It was never selected to be deconstructed because it's impossible to select equipped items for deconstruction. When I went to the clothing station he was wearing it, when I left the clothing station it was gone. Clearly a bug.

So I sent an in-game CS ticket (as well as submitting an in-game bug report) explaining the situation in detail, including the exact specs of the item destroyed.

2 days after submitting the ticket I got the first response:
ZOS wrote:
Greetings,

Thank you for contacting The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited support team. We are excited that you’re enjoying the game and reaching out to us for assistance. Online multi-player games are very complex and we understand that you might need a little extra help with your adventuring in Tamriel.

For most in-game issues such missing NPCs or quests not advancing correctly, you can resolve them yourself by logging out for five minutes then logging back in. This will load you into a new game instance and refresh your surroundings. Please make sure you’ve attempted that first!

If you have a question about gameplay such as how certain items or character abilities work, we encourage you to check our official forums which are a great resource for in-game mechanics: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en

There are also many wonderful unofficial community wikis which have a lot of helpful information about the game:

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Main_Page
http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_Wiki
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/

Please also be sure to visit our help portal where you can search for common issues and subscribe to individual articles for any updates about that information: https://help.elderscrollsonline.com.

If you are still experiencing issues after investigating the above suggestion, please feel free to respond back to this email so that our support team can give you further assistance.

Best Regards,
The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited Team

Perfectly unhelpful. I've been playing this game since launch, I'm very familiar with those resources, and if I had any issue that I wasn't 100% sure needed an actual person to look at in order to resolve it, I would have gone to those places first to see if I can fix it myself. But it's a canned response right? Automatically sent out to cut down on the number of CS tickets that actual people have to deal with right? Nope, this was sent 2 days after I submitted the ticket, so it clearly isn't an automated reply. Clearly someone had to look at my ticket, decide not to bother reading it (because if they had bothered to read it they would have known that the canned reply would be completely unhelpful), and send a copy-paste reply in the hopes that I would go away and stop bothering them.

Immediately after receiving that I got an automated survey email to see how they did with their customer service. You can imagine how I answered that.

So I replied to the useless CS response insisting that somebody actually read my ticket and replace the item destroyed by a bug. The next day I got this response:
ZOS wrote:
Greetings and Salutations!

Thank you for contacting The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited Team.

My name is Mia and I would be more than happy to answer any questions that you might have, Ben! We are unable to restore items that have been deconstructed and your understanding on this is appreciated.

If you would like to see a change in the way the system works, please send us your idea by typing /feedback into your chatbox. If there is anything else that we can look into for you, please respond back to this message and let us know. Your understanding on this is appreciated and I hope that you have a wonderful rest of your day!
Thank you for your continued interest and support!

Wishing you safe travels,
Mia The Bosmer Alchemist,
The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited Team

Also perfectly unhelpful. And also someone who clearly didn't bother to read the ticket I submitted, beyond seeing the word "deconstructed" in it. If they had read the ticket they would have seen that I have no interest in changing the way the system works. In the original ticket I submitted I explicitly said that if I had accidentally selected the wrong item to deconstruct then I wouldn't ask for it to be replaced, and that I was only submitting a ticket because I didn't select the item (and in fact I couldn't have selected the item even if I had wanted to), and yet due to a bug it was deconstructed anyway. I don't want the system changed - I want the system to work the way it's supposed to!

Naturally, by this point I'm pissed off with them. So I replied again, once again pointing out that the loss of the helmet was due to a bug, and that as a result I expected it to be replaced. I also pointed out that since clearly nobody had bothered to actually read my ticket up to this point, I wanted this escalated to a manager.

Here's the reply to that (this time I only had to wait a few hours for the reply instead of a day or two):
ZOS wrote:
Greetings!

Brian here from The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited Team.

I'm very sorry for the frustration caused by this issue and I thank you for your understanding. Normally issues like this arise when an add-on that auto deconstructs or auto-sells items when at a vendor is installed. Unfortunately as previously mentioned we are unable to restore items that have been deconstructed and your understanding on this is appreciated.

In the meantime, we’d also recommend you keep an eye on our official Facebook, Twitter, and website for upcoming news about The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited, including release-date info. You’ll find those pages here:

https://www.facebook.com/ElderScrollsOnline
http://twitter.com/TESOnline
http://elderscrollsonline.com

You may also want to check out our official ESOTU FAQ, found here: http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en/support

May the Eight bring you fortune and glory.

Warm regards,
Brian
The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited Support Team
https://help.elderscrollsonline.com

Once again, perfectly unhelpful. I'd like to know exactly how keeping an eye on the official FB, Twitter, and website for upcoming news, or how checking out the official FAQ could possibly be helpful or relevant to the ticket I submitted.

So again I had to reply that this wasn't acceptable, and that this has to be escalated. Finally I got a response that per my request this was being sent up for review.

tl;dr version: ZOS Customer Support is shockingly bad again. If I screw up and destroy something I wanted to keep, that's on me. If a bug beyond my control destroys something I wanted to keep, that's on you ZOS. It shouldn't be this damn hard to get ZOS to step up and make people whole when their bugs screw things up. I was once a customer service manager for about 5 years - this isn't how you do things, and this isn't how you train your staff to handle things.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom is there anyone you can pass this feedback on to? Changes seriously need to be made in ZOS CS.
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  • Praeficere
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    ZOS support used to be extremely good, although starting bad. Then they out-sourced their support.. and now it is being chipped away.
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  • Troneon
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    That's what happens when they fire all their support staff but can afford 1 million dollar contest...
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  • dimensional
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    Wow, that is pretty terrible. As much as I love ESO and what ZOS has done with this game, it is pretty undeniable that their customer support leaves a lot to be desired, and that is putting it very diplomatically.
  • UrQuan
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    The sad thing is that I don't even care particularly about the specific item (it was a purple Hunding's Rage helmet - it would take me negligible time and effort to replace it, and I've definitely got the mats to spare to do so), what I care about is getting ZOS CS to do the right thing.
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    Did you try logging out then logging back in?
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  • UrQuan
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    Necrelios wrote: »
    Did you try logging out then logging back in?

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  • Nutshotz
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    the funny fact is after u push and push and push zos to replace the item whether it be a bug or an accident on your end, they will replace it. you just have to keep pushing on the subject and in each email tell the exact same thing. I got my inferno v16 gold staff back after 5 emails, and yes sorry to say ZOS CS sucks. my 4 yr old son could do a better job than those nit wits
  • Teulisch
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    i hear ya man. not been able to play for over a day due to the game constantly crashing to login... no human response yet, only an automated response and a survey. i think they went on holiday....
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    the funny fact is after u push and push and push zos to replace the item whether it be a bug or an accident on your end, they will replace it. you just have to keep pushing on the subject and in each email tell the exact same thing. I got my inferno v16 gold staff back after 5 emails, and yes sorry to say ZOS CS sucks. my 4 yr old son could do a better job than those nit wits
    And as far as I'm concerned that's a major problem. There should be a clear rule: if something on your character/account (whether it be a piece of equipment or whatever) is screwed up as a result of a bug, it should be immediately fixed by the first person who receives your ticket (assuming it's something that doesn't require a bug fix be developed). If something is screwed up as a result of the player screwing up, then as a general rule it shouldn't be corrected by CS, but there should be the possibility of a judgment call on their part to fix things in some cases if they feel it is warranted (which may require escalation to a supervisor or something). None of this "you have to push and push and push" ***. This isn't rocket science - it's basic customer service 101.
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  • UrQuan
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    Cazzy wrote: »
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    This gif is much funnier when you read it in Moss's voice :D
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  • Lysette
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    Troneon wrote: »
    That's what happens when they fire all their support staff but can afford 1 million dollar contest...

    Well, it will cost them just 50k per year over the course of 20 years - read the small print.
  • hammayolettuce
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    Lysette wrote: »
    Troneon wrote: »
    That's what happens when they fire all their support staff but can afford 1 million dollar contest...

    Well, it will cost them just 50k per year over the course of 20 years - read the small print.

    so 1 persons avg salary..

    Its nothing new that ZOS has a terrible customer service history when it comes to submitting tickets. Unless its game breaking your very likely to get nowhere fast with them.

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    Edited by hammayolettuce on December 30, 2015 3:06AM
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  • UrQuan
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    Lysette wrote: »
    Troneon wrote: »
    That's what happens when they fire all their support staff but can afford 1 million dollar contest...

    Well, it will cost them just 50k per year over the course of 20 years - read the small print.
    Actually, a company like this would have bought an annuity from a bank or other company that provides them. If you check the contest rules it shows the approximate retail value of the 1 million dollar prize at $775K. ZOS would have paid the company they bought the annuity from an amount close to that ARV. For tax/accounting purposes they may or may not be able to amortize that one-time payment to the annuity company over more than one year, but they almost definitely would have straight-up bought an annuity rather than plan to make a payment every year for 20 years.

    In fact, I'm not 100% clear on the regulations on this, but I strongly suspect that they would have to buy an annuity for a contest like this, as regulations are usually designed to prevent companies from doing such contests and then declaring bankruptcy or otherwise collapsing before finishing paying the winners.

    Regardless, the cost of that contest wouldn't really make a big difference in CS. The problem here isn't that there aren't enough CS staff (that may or may not be a problem that they're having - if they are having that problem it's not really relevant to this issue I'm having with them), it's that they clearly don't have a proper CS system in place.

    What I mean by that is that they don't have an adequate system for training their CS staff, they don't have appropriate guidelines in place, they don't empower their CS staff to do anything other than parrot canned responses, and their entire approach is clearly designed around trying to get people to give up and stop bothering them, rather than actually trying to address any issues.
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  • Fruitmass
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    UrQuan wrote: »
    their entire approach is clearly designed around trying to get people to give up and stop bothering them, rather than actually trying to address any issues.

    Unless the volume of tickets they receive concerning said issue creates problems for them. In which case suddenly everyone's unwaveringly motivated to find the most spiteful and bass ackwards solution they can think of :unamused:
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    UrQuan wrote: »
    Necrelios wrote: »
    Did you try logging out then logging back in?

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  • Necrelios
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    Have you noticed how every time your character uses a clothing or blacksmith station they will unequip their helmet to wipe their brow?


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  • arcantonias
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    it took them 3 weeks to give me my first maelstrom weekly reward, after submitting a ticket with all the information they needed, every 2 or 3 days they just sent me automated messages asking for the information that was already in the original ticket.
  • Zyle
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    In my experiences, how much a company invests into their customer service directly correlates to how much they value their customers. In this case, I think it's obvious we're not of much value.

    EDIT: Holy hell didn't even notice this was a necro.
    Edited by Zyle on January 2, 2016 10:13AM

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    The helmet is always off when you go to crafting stations, but that's only visual, like when you go to dye stations you'll see your helmet always even when turned off in options.

    You probably accidentally deconstructed it. I've had that before. You'll probably also be customer nr72773 to contact ZoS about that
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    Best thing about that is, they are doing a bad job while you try to get your stuff fixed, and then they send you a *** Survey to ask if the Support was ok

    NO IT WAS NOT
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  • UrQuan
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    EDIT: Holy hell didn't even notice this was a necro.
    It's not really a necro - I only started the thread less than a week ago B)
    pronkg wrote: »
    The helmet is always off when you go to crafting stations, but that's only visual, like when you go to dye stations you'll see your helmet always even when turned off in options.

    You probably accidentally deconstructed it. I've had that before. You'll probably also be customer nr72773 to contact ZoS about that
    You can't accidentally deconstruct an item that's equipped. You can't even select an item that's equipped for deconstruction. The only way it can be deconstructed is by a bug causing it. If I accidentally selected the wrong thing for deconstruction and deconstructed it, I wouldn't contact CS about it. In fact, I actually have accidentally deconstructed the wrong thing numerous times, and never contacted CS about it.
    Alcast wrote: »
    Best thing about that is, they are doing a bad job while you try to get your stuff fixed, and then they send you a *** Survey to ask if the Support was ok

    NO IT WAS NOT
    No kidding...

    In the end they did replace the helmet for me "as an exception". As far as I'm concerned that's absolute ***. The whole point is that when it's a freaking bug in the game that causes an item to be lost it should be standard practice to replace it right away without all of this "let's just send them a canned reply again and hope this time they go away" garbage. If someone accidentally destroys/deconstructs the wrong thing and want it replaced, that's another story.
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  • SirAndy
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    Do a search here, this is a known bug that has been around for a long time.
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  • UrQuan
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    SirAndy wrote: »
    Do a search here, this is a known bug that has been around for a long time.
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    Oh I know. It's been around pretty much since PC launch. That's partly why I got pissed off the other day when I got this in a reply from CS:
    ZOS CS wrote:
    The issue that you have described does not sound like one that we are receiving any reports on previously, but I can certainly keep an eye out, just in case.
    Seriously? Even without doing a search on the forums I knew that this was a known bug that has been around for well over a year, because I remember having seen multiple threads about it. And yet CS has no idea that this is a known bug? For *** sake...
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  • Egonieser
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    That's what happens when you lay off 200+ customer service employees that clearly could've been used to help deal with these issues much more efficiently (because it's what they're employed to do, right).
    Maybe they would not be able to reinstate said item themselves, but at least there would be the manpower to actually read the ticket and submit to the appropriate departments...

    But nah - who needs that.
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  • SevenKingdoms
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    I, personally, think they may have rushed the release of this game. It's been out on consoles for a while now, and there's still a lot of things missing.

    I tried to call their customer service a few days ago, and it said their number was disconnected. That was kind of a red flag.
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    Alcast wrote: »
    Best thing about that is, they are doing a bad job while you try to get your stuff fixed, and then they send you a *** Survey to ask if the Support was ok

    NO IT WAS NOT

    To be fair to the CS, they are certainly not the only part of ZOS that is bad at their jobs.
    Edited by Jura23 on January 2, 2016 9:52PM
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  • daroule1982
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    Idk, after all this new content and all. It's like they've been putting their resources more toward the marketing then the customer support sector. I sure hope this doesn't turn into another WoW episode. The casual player won't have much say, and "we are all sheep now" type of deal. Please don't turn into a blizbattle-bethzeni, lol. One reason I left that mmo.
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  • eisberg
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    Sooo, were you using addons like the ones they mentioned in the last response to you?
  • UrQuan
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    eisberg wrote: »
    Sooo, were you using addons like the ones they mentioned in the last response to you?
    None that would have had any effect on it.
    Caius Drusus Imperial DK (DC)
    Bragg Ironhand Orc Temp (DC)
    Neesha Stalks-Shadows Argonian NB (EP)
    Falidir Altmer Sorcr (AD)
    J'zharka Khajiit NB (AD)
    Isabeau Runeseer Breton Sorc (DC)
    Fevassa Dunmer DK (EP)
    Manut Redguard Temp (AD)
    Tylera the Summoner Altmer Sorc (EP)
    Svari Snake-Blood Nord DK (AD)
    Ashlyn D'Elyse Breton NB (EP)
    Filindria Bosmer Temp (DC)
    Vigbjorn the Wanderer Nord Warden (EP)
    Hrokki Winterborn Breton Warden (DC)
    Basks-in-the-Sunshine Argonian Temp
    Someone stole my sweetroll
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