Add Major Mending buff to Thundering Presence

Alucardo · January 2016

I might actually use it then.

Jar_Ek · January 2016

No. Thunderous Presence isn't great for anyone as for stamina builds it saps stamina too fast and for magicka it la is utility, but I don't think major mnding is the way to go here.

Alucardo · January 2016

Jar_Ek wrote: »

No. Thunderous Presence isn't great for anyone as for stamina builds it saps stamina too fast and for magicka it la is utility, but I don't think major mnding is the way to go here.

Not even magicka builds use it because the major expedition is too short and they need their stam to break CC. It's useless for everyone at the moment. If it at least had major mending, personally I would definitely consider using it.

Waffennacht · January 2016

Alucardo wrote: »

I might actually use it then.

It's almost as if their changes didn't really change anything (except they switched the names so we had to train thunderous instead of boundless)

But it definitely needs a tweak. The stam one should provide expedition while the magicka one should provide some sort of buff. Makes sense imo

Edit: I mean come on, stam sorc, the only build that could use it... doesn't

Refuse2GrowUp · January 2016

Although it would make the skill more useful, i think it would be a bit broken. Currently, most Sorcs stack Hardened and Healing Ward...and this (shield stacking) is one of the largest sources of contention for many players. Making it so that Healing Ward heal gets buffed would probably further tip the balance scales...

...even tho my mag sorc would love it

DDemon · January 2016

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

Although it would make the skill more useful, i think it would be a bit broken. Currently, most Sorcs stack Hardened and Healing Ward...and this (shield stacking) is one of the largest sources of contention for many players. Making it so that Healing Ward heal gets buffed would probably further tip the balance scales...

...even tho my mag sorc would love it

I believe they are talking about the stamina morph. And as a magica user, you absolutely do not want to use a skill that uses stamina you can use to break out of a CC. So I doubt it'll be used by magica sorcs.

As for a buff, perhaps the damage it does could somehow get turned into a self heal like puncturing sweep?

Refuse2GrowUp · January 2016

DDemon wrote: »

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

Although it would make the skill more useful, i think it would be a bit broken. Currently, most Sorcs stack Hardened and Healing Ward...and this (shield stacking) is one of the largest sources of contention for many players. Making it so that Healing Ward heal gets buffed would probably further tip the balance scales...

...even tho my mag sorc would love it

I believe they are talking about the stamina morph. And as a magica user, you absolutely do not want to use a skill that uses stamina you can use to break out of a CC. So I doubt it'll be used by magica sorcs.

As for a buff, perhaps the damage it does could somehow get turned into a self heal like puncturing sweep?

I would consider a couple Heijeko (sp?) glyphs and using the skill ~ theory craft of course.

But, the idea of damage heals would probably be a bit more receptive by the devs and community. Would synergize well with StamSorc builds as they are generally reliant on damage/crit heals. I like it

Alucardo · January 2016

DDemon wrote: »

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

Although it would make the skill more useful, i think it would be a bit broken. Currently, most Sorcs stack Hardened and Healing Ward...and this (shield stacking) is one of the largest sources of contention for many players. Making it so that Healing Ward heal gets buffed would probably further tip the balance scales...

...even tho my mag sorc would love it

I believe they are talking about the stamina morph. And as a magica user, you absolutely do not want to use a skill that uses stamina you can use to break out of a CC. So I doubt it'll be used by magica sorcs.

As for a buff, perhaps the damage it does could somehow get turned into a self heal like puncturing sweep?

Yep, the stamina one. In its current state it's useless. For the high stamina cost, short major expedition, it's really not worth it. Your idea about the buff sounds pretty good, but I'd still prefer major mending I think. You can utilise the healing bonus even when getting shot at from range then.
Considering stam sorcs only defence is the resistance buff from boundless/thundering (which can be nulled by a quick jab of pierce armor), I think major mending is a decent compromise.

RAGUNAnoOne · January 2016

Too much, minor I could deal with but not major... PS: would that affect crit surge? if so definitely too strong

Waffennacht · January 2016

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

Too much, minor I could deal with but not major... PS: would that affect crit surge? if so definitely too strong

It's amazing how the move sucks, but with one minor change becomes OP. Talk about a thin line.

Personally stam should be like: dmg boost, aoe effect, armor, and speed.
Mag: armor buff, more aoe dmg ticks, and a resource boost.

That would be cool imo

Alucardo · January 2016

Waffennacht wrote: »

Personally stam should be like: dmg boost, aoe effect, armor, and speed.
Mag: armor buff, more aoe dmg ticks, and a resource boost.

That would be cool imo

Funnily enough it's backwards at the moment. Thundering gives you more damage from the AoE and less duration on the speed, but I agree with you. Magicka builds need higher ticks to keep melee users under pressure, and stam needs mobility and some kind of defence. For such a high costing stamina ability, we're getting squat.
Just gonna give up on stam sorc and roll a Nightblade like 80% of the ESO population.

Waffennacht · January 2016

Alucardo wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Personally stam should be like: dmg boost, aoe effect, armor, and speed.
Mag: armor buff, more aoe dmg ticks, and a resource boost.

That would be cool imo

Funnily enough it's backwards at the moment. Thundering gives you more damage from the AoE and less duration on the speed, but I agree with you. Magicka builds need higher ticks to keep melee users under pressure, and stam needs mobility and some kind of defence. For such a high costing stamina ability, we're getting squat.
Just gonna give up on stam sorc and roll a Nightblade like 80% of the ESO population.

Off topic a bit... but that post made me sad

sorcs are being less and less

RAGUNAnoOne · January 2016

I got it! each hit with the damage adds major defile for 2 seconds that could work perfect with the stam sorc meta. while not overly favoring the magic builds.

RAGUNAnoOne · January 2016

Waffennacht wrote: »

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

Too much, minor I could deal with but not major... PS: would that affect crit surge? if so definitely too strong

It's amazing how the move sucks, but with one minor change becomes OP. Talk about a thin line.

Personally stam should be like: dmg boost, aoe effect, armor, and speed.
Mag: armor buff, more aoe dmg ticks, and a resource boost.

That would be cool imo

the issue with mending was that healing ward is the move that makes sorcerers so good the increased healing from it and benefits magick too much to be a stamina morph plus if it affected surge magick users would be next to unstoppable.

Alucardo · January 2016

Waffennacht wrote: »

Off topic a bit... but that post made me sad sorcs are being less and less

Makes me sad too

Have a level 20 Nightblade now and it's so good. 15% regen on all attributes, perfect gap closer, insta cast high hitting dd ability, cheap and useful ultimate that works for magicka and stam, quick purge (cloak). Like, why would any one want a stam sorc over a Nightblade? Serious question here.

Cathexis · January 2016

I use it to conserve magicka and for the slight damage increase over the magicka morph but as far as changes for stam sorcs go it was pretty insignificant. At the moment I dont even use it since immovable offers way more benefits reducing break free cost and 5 seconds of immunity to certain effects.

I would much rather have the stun/fear etc immunity provided by immovable.

Alucardo · January 2016

Cathexis wrote: »

I use it to conserve magicka and for the slight damage increase over the magicka morph but as far as changes for stam sorcs go it was pretty insignificant. At the moment I dont even use it since immovable offers way more benefits reducing break free cost and 5 seconds of immunity to certain effects.

I was actually thinking about switching to immovable. The only reason I haven't is to get the weapon damage bonus for every sorc ability slotted, which is at like 4% now... pretty sure missing 2% won't matter too much.

Cathexis · January 2016

Alucardo wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

I use it to conserve magicka and for the slight damage increase over the magicka morph but as far as changes for stam sorcs go it was pretty insignificant. At the moment I dont even use it since immovable offers way more benefits reducing break free cost and 5 seconds of immunity to certain effects.

I was actually thinking about switching to immovable. The only reason I haven't is to get the weapon damage bonus for every sorc ability slotted, which is at like 4% now... pretty sure missing 2% won't matter too much.

I have found it to be an insignificant trade for the ability to move completely unhindered.

Also that sorc passive is pretty useless for stam sorcs, another supposed buff we got.

Jar_Ek · January 2016

In answer to your question @Alucardo in combats healing is the only possible reason and as you know its a kinda weak one. Surge healing is great, but as soon as shields appear its no heals. StamNB has only really got vigour/rally until they kill you. I cant think of any other reason beyond general sorcerer coolness.

leepalmer95 · January 2016

Jar_Ek wrote: »

In answer to your question @Alucardo in combats healing is the only possible reason and as you know its a kinda weak one. Surge healing is great, but as soon as shields appear its no heals. StamNB has only really got vigour/rally until they kill you. I cant think of any other reason beyond general sorcerer coolness.

Dodge roll + cloaking at the right time gives stam blades some pretty good dmg aversion.

Alucardo · January 2016

Cathexis wrote: »

Also that sorc passive is pretty useless for stam sorcs, another supposed buff we got.

Yup, that's what I was getting at. I slot, at most, 2 sorc spells - crit surge and boundless. Depending on the situation I'll use Atronach for the extra 20% stam and health regeneration passive.
Why do stam sorcs have to slot something every time? Why can't we have cool passives like Nightblade - 15% health, stamina and magicka regeneration FOR FREE.
The basic passives that make us a stam sorc should not come at a cost, because they've given us barely any usable abilities to slot. So either enhance our skills, or remove the passive restrictions at the very least.

Cathexis · January 2016

Alucardo wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

Also that sorc passive is pretty useless for stam sorcs, another supposed buff we got.

Yup, that's what I was getting at. I slot, at most, 2 sorc spells - crit surge and boundless. Depending on the situation I'll use Atronach for the extra 20% stam and health regeneration passive.
Why do stam sorcs have to slot something every time? Why can't we have cool passives like Nightblade - 15% health, stamina and magicka regeneration FOR FREE.
The basic passives that make us a stam sorc should not come at a cost, because they've given us barely any usable abilities to slot. So either enhance our skills, or remove the passive restrictions at the very least.

I totally get what you mean. I really would love that 20% bonus to health and stam regen for werewolf but you have to have a summoning ability slotted it's really annoying.