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Bug or Exploit? Chaincasting Rite of Passage.

pppontus
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxWqzBMoC1A

In the middle clip that I sped up it seems as if he actually has to charge it the normal way, whereas in the other instances he was able to cast it pretty much right after the previous one ended. So.. a known bug, exploit or something else entirely? Anyone knows?
  • Thallia
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    Tried to find answer for this on the internet and found this Post, I also have this bug or exploit very often in PvP as a templar Healer. I usually can chaincast it when I cast a certain ability, or get stunned and then roll backwards. Im not sure thats how you do it but thats how it happens to me sometimes its very random.

    Zeni needs to fix this because as much as I love to use this its wayy to unfair to just chaincast it during a PvP and keep everyone at full.
    EP:
    Vesari - Woof Elf NB VR16
    Erenwyn - High Elf Templar VR16
    'Elayne - High Elf Sorc 20
    Erenweyn - High Elf Templar 17
    Sax-In-Da-City - Dark Elf Dragon Knight 4

    DC:
    Ammir - Redguard Templar 35
    Thallia - Breton NB 25
  • PainfulFAFA
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    Templars have had this for a loooong time now.
    I remember this since i made a templar (back in April)
    Its definitely a bug and is definitely being exploited (once you figure out how to do it)

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  • Ra'Shtar
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    I myself sometimes get a bug where my ultimate is not consumed when using the healing ulti but i fail to see the issue beyond that first recast of 9 secs, templar healers gain a ton of ult in pvp because receiving damage and healing gives you ult and the ult cost is 120 add light attacks to that and you get yourself using the ult every 40 secs or so if you are in a 3+ group, that is the main reason why we always leave some kind of HoT like extended ritual or mutagen in targets so we can build ult really fast.
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  • Xantaria
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    also happens with unmorphed warhorn. known bug to most players.
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  • Mumyo
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    This is the only positive bug amongst 999999 bugs of any templar ability.
    Edited by Mumyo on December 31, 2015 12:19PM
  • Mait3rz
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    I have this bug a lot, however i also have the opposite of this where my ultimate bar fills up and immediately depletes to 0 without using it, it only happens on my Templar.
  • Viveun
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    Have experienced this bug both in PvP and running dungeons. I can never chain cast more than twice, but it's always a nice surprise (though admittedly exploitative). Although in all fairness it really doesn't take more than 30-45 seconds to generate healing ults in PvP.
  • Jura23
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    Please stop these nerf templar threads.
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  • lolo_01b16_ESO
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    It's possible to have less than 10 sec break inbetween casting healing ultis without exploiting anything, but as far as I know you can't get the required gear on a lvl 45 char, so in this case it's probably bugged.
  • Oldmanlawlor
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    Yeah this always happens.

    It seems to happen when you cast the ulti and get hit with a knock back at the same time.

    Almost like the game says, ok he has cast it but he is knocked back. So refund the cost.

    Even tho we are immune to knock backs during.
  • jcasini222ub17_ESO
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    I've tested this on live but I dont video so I'll just explain.

    The highest number of chaincasting I got to was 5, this was in a solid 25v25 or more keep battle, whole lot of action; lots of spamming of skills and it occured right near the breach. Another time was at the top of the stairs going to bleakers from aleswell, I believe, same scenario bunch of players all around the stairs ping/laggy acting up chaincast is likely.

    Other times I've been allowed to chaincast 2 or 3 times but not all the casts heal. Once again this occurs usually with more than 20 players really going back and forth. So in these cases while it looks like I'm exploiting I'm actually just trying to get the skill to work. By going back and forth I mean the use of other aoe's, if 20ish people all are using single cast abilities this phenomenon usually doesn't occur.

    For me remembrance will cast, and near immediately my bar ult ball will be lit again saying 'hey ready for use'. To avoid 'exploiting' I literally will have to put myself on a self timer.

    Now I dont use add-ons, so its difficult to gauge what a good self timer would be, so I've always been worried about being accused of exploiting. I try not to chaincast but my hands aren't the best and sometimes clicks happen. Fully admit testing on live was lame but it provided the best venue to test.

    Furthermore since ZoS hasn't commented on my prior posts about this I've began to wonder if chaincasting is a bug, exploit, or use of emergent clever gameplay a la animation canceling. Since chaincasting only, for me, seems to happen in large group setting it is taking advantage of the weak server-client communication (I think someone with more knowledge please correct). I will say its pretty lame to need to self enforce a timer (because the ult gets lit up on its own) in order not to gain what seems to be an unfair advantage.

    Also I've wondered if the ability to chaincast is related to healing generating ult. By this I mean, when I cast rememberence, during that time, I build enough ult to recast since the scenarios it happens in for me a lot of people are being healed.

    That's all my input on chaincasting rite of passage and its morph remembrance, hopefully the right eyes see this and it helps. General clarification would be just as nice.
  • SemiD4rkness
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    pppontus wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxWqzBMoC1A

    In the middle clip that I sped up it seems as if he actually has to charge it the normal way, whereas in the other instances he was able to cast it pretty much right after the previous one ended. So.. a known bug, exploit or something else entirely? Anyone knows?

    I seriously hope you're not swedish and you just like the rythm :|
  • stoop420
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    I've tested this on live but I dont video so I'll just explain.

    The highest number of chaincasting I got to was 5, this was in a solid 25v25 or more keep battle, whole lot of action; lots of spamming of skills and it occured right near the breach. Another time was at the top of the stairs going to bleakers from aleswell, I believe, same scenario bunch of players all around the stairs ping/laggy acting up chaincast is likely.

    Other times I've been allowed to chaincast 2 or 3 times but not all the casts heal. Once again this occurs usually with more than 20 players really going back and forth. So in these cases while it looks like I'm exploiting I'm actually just trying to get the skill to work. By going back and forth I mean the use of other aoe's, if 20ish people all are using single cast abilities this phenomenon usually doesn't occur.

    There may be some truth to this. I rolled a healing temp recently and found the passage chaincasting procs during the moments when I think we're all gonna die to a huge zerg. During normal fights it will generate some ultimate.

    I thought it was just lag before reading your post.
  • Darthgil
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    Mumyo wrote: »
    This is the only positive bug amongst 999999 bugs of any templar ability.

    Nah, the Eclipse Health Desync exploit on Sorcs is much better.... Best way to kill a Sorc huehuehuehue
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  • Zaldan
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    Just another bug ZO$ knows about and has failed to act upon, nothing new.
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  • OGLezard
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    I hope it stops one day and everything gets up to par :)
    Edited by OGLezard on January 1, 2016 5:43AM
  • eliisra
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    It's not an exploit since not consistent and no way of replicating it. It's a bug during lag, that's been around fore a long time.

    Sometimes, usually laggy PvP fights, channelling Rite if Passage wont consume ultimate. It's a known bug (I encountered it first time in 1.6) and of course reported. So over 8 months of templars double/triple channelling it if lucky lol. Not fixed.

    Guessing because not enough players raging about it on the forum and sending tickets. It's not one of those bugs that kills enemies directly or wrecks you 1v1 and therefore flying under the radar. It's also rng and most of the time Rite of Passage does deplete the utli.
  • Lightninvash
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    I know sometimes when doing even pve it happens normally when there is a lot of action going on. I will use it and it will build up so fast that I can use it again right after it ended. Now with that I normally only has happened to me when there are a lot of enemies and I am spamming the heals/ using my HOT heals. /but at least for me I see it regen after using and it is almost instant depending on how much action is going on
    Edited by Lightninvash on December 31, 2015 5:36PM
  • Thallia
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    Okay Yes as the others have already mentions this can only happen when there is a alot of action going on, a.k.a PvP 20v20 and everyone spamming abilities.

    HOWEVER

    Today I have found a way to replicate this, TO SOME EXTENT.

    I think that @ZoS might be interested in this.

    The way I have managed to chaincast this multiple times whenever I wanted was like this.

    Note: this takes some experimenting with and you need alteast like 150% Ultimate (I use FTC to see how much Ultimate)

    The way it worked the most for me was when I used the steadfast ward (? I think its called) During a large fight where atleast 15-20 players are on each side.

    I did this order:

    1. Roll
    2. Steadfast ward
    3. IMMEDIATELY )like during the cast animation of the ward) Cast Rite of passage

    Note that this does work with other abilities as i have managed this with others.

    And do not worry I have made sure that im out of the way of my allies when I have been trying to exploit it so It would affect the PvP of my allies and Enemies!

    I hope this helps some palyers and hopefully some @ZoS Staff!

    Enjoy your New Year! :)
    EP:
    Vesari - Woof Elf NB VR16
    Erenwyn - High Elf Templar VR16
    'Elayne - High Elf Sorc 20
    Erenweyn - High Elf Templar 17
    Sax-In-Da-City - Dark Elf Dragon Knight 4

    DC:
    Ammir - Redguard Templar 35
    Thallia - Breton NB 25
  • NewBlacksmurf
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    For Templar's its a bug on PC and console for all of our ultimates.

    Not sure what causes it, but it gets pretty ridiculous. I can see in PvP, others being very upset
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  • Thallia
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    For Templar's its a bug on PC and console for all of our ultimates.

    Not sure what causes it, but it gets pretty ridiculous. I can see in PvP, others being very upset

    Yeah I can Imagine, like in the video above imagine you are fighting someone (or a group) and jsut having someone cast A massive Heal 5 times in a row, on top of that spam all the other shields and Heals...

    Zeni pls.

    EDIT:

    AS MUCH as I Love this bug happening to me sometimes during a group fight on lets say Sejanus-Alesssia bridge, keeping all my allies alive and everything. It is so unfair and I feel like scumbag just for doing it. But then again as someone said before. You can get enough ultimate to cast this again in about 10-15 seconds. But 10-15 seconds is a lot differant to 1 second.
    Edited by Thallia on December 31, 2015 6:16PM
    EP:
    Vesari - Woof Elf NB VR16
    Erenwyn - High Elf Templar VR16
    'Elayne - High Elf Sorc 20
    Erenweyn - High Elf Templar 17
    Sax-In-Da-City - Dark Elf Dragon Knight 4

    DC:
    Ammir - Redguard Templar 35
    Thallia - Breton NB 25
  • NewBlacksmurf
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    Thallia wrote: »
    For Templar's its a bug on PC and console for all of our ultimates.

    Not sure what causes it, but it gets pretty ridiculous. I can see in PvP, others being very upset

    Yeah I can Imagine, like in the video above imagine you are fighting someone (or a group) and jsut having someone cast A massive Heal 5 times in a row, on top of that spam all the other shields and Heals...

    Zeni pls.

    EDIT:

    AS MUCH as I Love this bug happening to me sometimes during a group fight on lets say Sejanus-Alesssia bridge, keeping all my allies alive and everything. It is so unfair and I feel like scumbag just for doing it. But then again as someone said before. You can get enough ultimate to cast this again in about 10-15 seconds. But 10-15 seconds is a lot differant to 1 second.

    I cant find the vid to link but on Xbox One about two months ago I met a guy while doing Crag delvs and we needed a 4th but he and I had Templars and he could cast his AOE ultimate about 8 - 10 times seemingly whenever as he did it 5 different times as we cleared devles. I can only imagine how outta control he would be if he liked PvP

    He had no idea it was not normal until I explained it to him. Maybe it has something to do with being grouped with other Templars tho as we had three.
    Edited by NewBlacksmurf on December 31, 2015 6:30PM
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  • WillhelmBlack
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    Bug since release.
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  • Thallia
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    Im sure Zeni has lots of Countless bugs to fix, and in my opinion this is a very hard one to fix as no one really knows how to Exactly Recreate it which makes it very hard for zeni. SO dont expect this to be fixe next patch or anything but It seemd to me like Zenimax was not Aware of this so I brought this thread back to life to try and make them aware of it! I have dont a lot of experimenting and trial and error for this and after all I can only have a a rough outline of how to recreate it. I hope Zeni IS looking into this and how to fix it.
    EP:
    Vesari - Woof Elf NB VR16
    Erenwyn - High Elf Templar VR16
    'Elayne - High Elf Sorc 20
    Erenweyn - High Elf Templar 17
    Sax-In-Da-City - Dark Elf Dragon Knight 4

    DC:
    Ammir - Redguard Templar 35
    Thallia - Breton NB 25
  • threefarms
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    Templars deserve positive exploits, the class sucks compared to all others. Unless you are a damn healer.
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