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Barlthump
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Come on people let's be honest. There were no NB OP posts before IC came out. I don't belive that one DLC can change so much in a game. It's sickening to see how people just rage when a nightblade now cloaks away into mobs after he kills someone. I mean we got one good dlc where we can actually do what they say our class can do. Stealth assassin, isn't that what we are supposed to be doing. Back in the day, when out in cyro, when a nightblade kills someone, by the time he ran away he died, it's not even funny how they say stealth Assassin and he just dies
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Forestd16b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭1.6 totally ruined HA and Dragon Knights. A small patch before IC ruined Templars. The champion update made the power level gap even bigger. So yea 1 patch can totally change a game and either ruin something or make it completely OP.
Yes NB are supposed to be rouges or what ever not divine beings that can reset the battle for them and get them at full resources while there opponent is left fatigue and out or resources.
Night Blades are over powered and it did happen in 1 update that is what MMOs do they can completely change the game in 1 update. So hopefully in the Thieves guild update you NBs will get the full power of the nerf hammer.9 -
GloryClass RepresentativeThere were plenty of NB OP posts pr-IC.
Does no one remember the sap tank/fear monster that was a light armor S&B nightblade that quickly found its place next to light armor DK?mDK will rise again.
Rebuild Necromancer pet AI.
@Glorious since I have too many characters to list
Ádamant
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Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Sounds like someone is sweating about the imminent nerfs coming their way. Fair play to you.Edited by Alucardo on December 28, 2015 7:48PM4 -
Tryxus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Can't we all just be a bit more compassionate and get the other classes buffed instead of nerfing 1?"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
Tryxus - Guardian of the Green - Warden - PC/EU6 -
CP5✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Can't we all just be a bit more compassionate and get the other classes buffed instead of nerfing 1?
When the option is to either buff EVERYTHING but one or nerf only one thing, which is easier? Buffing all the other classes includes buffing the difficulty of, everything else in the game. Every mod, every trap, every situation were damage and health matter would need to be relooked otherwise the buffs to all the classes would make the difficulty even more of a joke. Also I seem to recall that in the past there were many vocal players who would hijack threads to make sure everyone knew about their broken class, and I don't recall them showing any concern for the other classes when the shoe was on the other foot.2 -
Tryxus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Can't we all just be a bit more compassionate and get the other classes buffed instead of nerfing 1?
When the option is to either buff EVERYTHING but one or nerf only one thing, which is easier? Buffing all the other classes includes buffing the difficulty of, everything else in the game. Every mod, every trap, every situation were damage and health matter would need to be relooked otherwise the buffs to all the classes would make the difficulty even more of a joke. Also I seem to recall that in the past there were many vocal players who would hijack threads to make sure everyone knew about their broken class, and I don't recall them showing any concern for the other classes when the shoe was on the other foot.
So you're saying the devs should be lazy, go for the easiest solution and let everything go to waste and lose players who quit this game cuz their class got nerfed to Oblivion?
Sorry, but I prefer a dev team that cares and players that smile. The extra effort from ZOS and a more positive attitude from the playerbase feels much better"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
Tryxus - Guardian of the Green - Warden - PC/EU6 -
CP5✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Can't we all just be a bit more compassionate and get the other classes buffed instead of nerfing 1?
When the option is to either buff EVERYTHING but one or nerf only one thing, which is easier? Buffing all the other classes includes buffing the difficulty of, everything else in the game. Every mod, every trap, every situation were damage and health matter would need to be relooked otherwise the buffs to all the classes would make the difficulty even more of a joke. Also I seem to recall that in the past there were many vocal players who would hijack threads to make sure everyone knew about their broken class, and I don't recall them showing any concern for the other classes when the shoe was on the other foot.
So you're saying the devs should be lazy, go for the easiest solution and let everything go to waste and lose players who quit this game cuz their class got nerfed to Oblivion?
Sorry, but I prefer a dev team that cares and players that smile. The extra effort from ZOS and a more positive attitude from the playerbase feels much better
So you prefer the devs spend their time balancing everything to raise the playing field up to NB's, taking significantly more time, energy, and resources, rather than bringing things on the extreme edges back into line? In the end NB's will be in line, we don't need game wide number inflation to do that. And that goes for what things are currently overpowered or over-performing.2 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I, for one, would like to apologize to NBs. Though I never called for a nerf cloak or NB to occur, I did complain strongly. I must admit it was primarily a l2p issue.
My new crusade is to see some buffs come towards temps and dks (for certain builds) and a slight revision of Sorc pets3 -
nordickittyhawk✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »I, for one, would like to apologize to NBs. Though I never called for a nerf cloak or NB to occur, I did complain strongly. I must admit it was primarily a l2p issue.
My new crusade is to see some buffs come towards temps and dks (for certain builds) and a slight revision of Sorc pets
well thank you sir. Once other classes are balanced... i think the cry for nerfs will stop.0 -
Tryxus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Can't we all just be a bit more compassionate and get the other classes buffed instead of nerfing 1?
When the option is to either buff EVERYTHING but one or nerf only one thing, which is easier? Buffing all the other classes includes buffing the difficulty of, everything else in the game. Every mod, every trap, every situation were damage and health matter would need to be relooked otherwise the buffs to all the classes would make the difficulty even more of a joke. Also I seem to recall that in the past there were many vocal players who would hijack threads to make sure everyone knew about their broken class, and I don't recall them showing any concern for the other classes when the shoe was on the other foot.
So you're saying the devs should be lazy, go for the easiest solution and let everything go to waste and lose players who quit this game cuz their class got nerfed to Oblivion?
Sorry, but I prefer a dev team that cares and players that smile. The extra effort from ZOS and a more positive attitude from the playerbase feels much better
So you prefer the devs spend their time balancing everything to raise the playing field up to NB's, taking significantly more time, energy, and resources, rather than bringing things on the extreme edges back into line? In the end NB's will be in line, we don't need game wide number inflation to do that. And that goes for what things are currently overpowered or over-performing.
If the other classes are boosted, the NB will be in line as well. Only then without the QQ.
There's nothing extreme about a NB either: we do our jobs as an assassin, we can run viable Magicka & Stamina builds in both PvE and PvP,...
The other classes need buffing as well, they need to be able to properly do their jobs and be viable with both types of builds.
Is it really that hard to think positive for a change? Or shall we continue the NERF-trend and kill this game?"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
Tryxus - Guardian of the Green - Warden - PC/EU1 -
CP5✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Can't we all just be a bit more compassionate and get the other classes buffed instead of nerfing 1?
When the option is to either buff EVERYTHING but one or nerf only one thing, which is easier? Buffing all the other classes includes buffing the difficulty of, everything else in the game. Every mod, every trap, every situation were damage and health matter would need to be relooked otherwise the buffs to all the classes would make the difficulty even more of a joke. Also I seem to recall that in the past there were many vocal players who would hijack threads to make sure everyone knew about their broken class, and I don't recall them showing any concern for the other classes when the shoe was on the other foot.
So you're saying the devs should be lazy, go for the easiest solution and let everything go to waste and lose players who quit this game cuz their class got nerfed to Oblivion?
Sorry, but I prefer a dev team that cares and players that smile. The extra effort from ZOS and a more positive attitude from the playerbase feels much better
So you prefer the devs spend their time balancing everything to raise the playing field up to NB's, taking significantly more time, energy, and resources, rather than bringing things on the extreme edges back into line? In the end NB's will be in line, we don't need game wide number inflation to do that. And that goes for what things are currently overpowered or over-performing.
If the other classes are boosted, the NB will be in line as well. Only then without the QQ.
There's nothing extreme about a NB either: we do our jobs as an assassin, we can run viable Magicka & Stamina builds in both PvE and PvP,...
The other classes need buffing as well, they need to be able to properly do their jobs and be viable with both types of builds.
Is it really that hard to think positive for a change? Or shall we continue the NERF-trend and kill this game?
If - all classes are buffed - Then - ALL pve content in the entire game, including cyrodiil and IC will need to be completely rebalanced. Do you seriously think ZOS is in the position to rebalance the entire game again in any time frame just to avoid the oh so evil Nerf? Balance comes from both buffs and nerfs, the fact that anything that even sounds like a nerf must by nature be evil is why we won't see more rapid balance in game, that and ZOS's relatively slow speed when it comes ot patches.0 -
cdobratz✭✭✭I think the whole dark cloak fuss is just frustration stemming from there being no arena pvp. People want a place where opponents can't escape. As for class balance, I think the damage nerfs just bottlenecked everyone into these crazy dps builds and we're now seeing the worst of what each class can do, and classes that could not adapt are now visible to everyone. I don't think anything drastic needs to happen to NB's or Magic Sorcs, maybe for instance just changing the major breech on surprise attack to a minor break, and changing the shadow barrier passive to only giving minor ward and resolve. I wouldn't mind keeping magic sorcs/stamblade damage the same if magic dks were buffed, templar dps abilities fixed (and on level with other classes' dps capabilities), and stam sorc/stam dk given some more flavor to their abilities.NA-PC
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Tryxus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Can't we all just be a bit more compassionate and get the other classes buffed instead of nerfing 1?
When the option is to either buff EVERYTHING but one or nerf only one thing, which is easier? Buffing all the other classes includes buffing the difficulty of, everything else in the game. Every mod, every trap, every situation were damage and health matter would need to be relooked otherwise the buffs to all the classes would make the difficulty even more of a joke. Also I seem to recall that in the past there were many vocal players who would hijack threads to make sure everyone knew about their broken class, and I don't recall them showing any concern for the other classes when the shoe was on the other foot.
So you're saying the devs should be lazy, go for the easiest solution and let everything go to waste and lose players who quit this game cuz their class got nerfed to Oblivion?
Sorry, but I prefer a dev team that cares and players that smile. The extra effort from ZOS and a more positive attitude from the playerbase feels much better
So you prefer the devs spend their time balancing everything to raise the playing field up to NB's, taking significantly more time, energy, and resources, rather than bringing things on the extreme edges back into line? In the end NB's will be in line, we don't need game wide number inflation to do that. And that goes for what things are currently overpowered or over-performing.
If the other classes are boosted, the NB will be in line as well. Only then without the QQ.
There's nothing extreme about a NB either: we do our jobs as an assassin, we can run viable Magicka & Stamina builds in both PvE and PvP,...
The other classes need buffing as well, they need to be able to properly do their jobs and be viable with both types of builds.
Is it really that hard to think positive for a change? Or shall we continue the NERF-trend and kill this game?
If - all classes are buffed - Then - ALL pve content in the entire game, including cyrodiil and IC will need to be completely rebalanced. Do you seriously think ZOS is in the position to rebalance the entire game again in any time frame just to avoid the oh so evil Nerf? Balance comes from both buffs and nerfs, the fact that anything that even sounds like a nerf must by nature be evil is why we won't see more rapid balance in game, that and ZOS's relatively slow speed when it comes ot patches.
Honestly, a rebalancing of lots of things (not everything) is WAY better than to see a large portion of the playerbase leaving this game behind.
A majority of the playerbase are NB, either legitimate players who like the class itself or bandwagoners since they think the class is "OP". And a lot of these players spent weeks/months on getting their char to the lvl it is now. When the nerfhammer hits, a lot of them will leave. They'll be tired of the continuous nerfing and the wrecking of their class.
Now, if ZOS rebalances things, they're not gonna do it in 1 go obviously. First the classes should get balanced (by buffing DK and Temps) then the game should follow over a timeframe.
BTW, who says the game is gonna need rebalancing if the classes get buffed? A bit of buffing isn't gonna make the game easier ya know.
Also, through the amazing power of buffing, the playing field in Cyrodiil and in the PvE zones will become even again as players once again resume the game with their DK or Templar when they're buffed, NB's won't have to QQ and in general everybody will be better off...
Don't be so negative. I'm pretty sure ZOS realizes this as well, especially with the Great Class Overhaul coming up. They'll prob try to tweak the NB a bit and put the other classes on the same lvl."Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
Tryxus - Guardian of the Green - Warden - PC/EU0 -
CP5✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Can't we all just be a bit more compassionate and get the other classes buffed instead of nerfing 1?
When the option is to either buff EVERYTHING but one or nerf only one thing, which is easier? Buffing all the other classes includes buffing the difficulty of, everything else in the game. Every mod, every trap, every situation were damage and health matter would need to be relooked otherwise the buffs to all the classes would make the difficulty even more of a joke. Also I seem to recall that in the past there were many vocal players who would hijack threads to make sure everyone knew about their broken class, and I don't recall them showing any concern for the other classes when the shoe was on the other foot.
So you're saying the devs should be lazy, go for the easiest solution and let everything go to waste and lose players who quit this game cuz their class got nerfed to Oblivion?
Sorry, but I prefer a dev team that cares and players that smile. The extra effort from ZOS and a more positive attitude from the playerbase feels much better
So you prefer the devs spend their time balancing everything to raise the playing field up to NB's, taking significantly more time, energy, and resources, rather than bringing things on the extreme edges back into line? In the end NB's will be in line, we don't need game wide number inflation to do that. And that goes for what things are currently overpowered or over-performing.
If the other classes are boosted, the NB will be in line as well. Only then without the QQ.
There's nothing extreme about a NB either: we do our jobs as an assassin, we can run viable Magicka & Stamina builds in both PvE and PvP,...
The other classes need buffing as well, they need to be able to properly do their jobs and be viable with both types of builds.
Is it really that hard to think positive for a change? Or shall we continue the NERF-trend and kill this game?
If - all classes are buffed - Then - ALL pve content in the entire game, including cyrodiil and IC will need to be completely rebalanced. Do you seriously think ZOS is in the position to rebalance the entire game again in any time frame just to avoid the oh so evil Nerf? Balance comes from both buffs and nerfs, the fact that anything that even sounds like a nerf must by nature be evil is why we won't see more rapid balance in game, that and ZOS's relatively slow speed when it comes ot patches.
Honestly, a rebalancing of lots of things (not everything) is WAY better than to see a large portion of the playerbase leaving this game behind.
A majority of the playerbase are NB, either legitimate players who like the class itself or bandwagoners since they think the class is "OP". And a lot of these players spent weeks/months on getting their char to the lvl it is now. When the nerfhammer hits, a lot of them will leave. They'll be tired of the continuous nerfing and the wrecking of their class.
Now, if ZOS rebalances things, they're not gonna do it in 1 go obviously. First the classes should get balanced (by buffing DK and Temps) then the game should follow over a timeframe.
BTW, who says the game is gonna need rebalancing if the classes get buffed? A bit of buffing isn't gonna make the game easier ya know.
Also, through the amazing power of buffing, the playing field in Cyrodiil and in the PvE zones will become even again as players once again resume the game with their DK or Templar when they're buffed, NB's won't have to QQ and in general everybody will be better off...
Don't be so negative. I'm pretty sure ZOS realizes this as well, especially with the Great Class Overhaul coming up. They'll prob try to tweak the NB a bit and put the other classes on the same lvl.
1.) MMO's by their nature and expected life span will change. If people don't like change they shouldn't be playing this kind of game.
2.) 'A majority of the playerbase are NB' is not something I would argue with as it can likely be accurate, its hard not to be a popular class with the best array of passives and a wide array of viable and powerful skills, but isn't a problem when that is the most popular class and people get tired of fighting them so much more than most anything else?
I can't enjoy a fight with nb's in pvp anymore since they are overplayed so much. That is frustrating, and with how vocal the NB community is on the forums it is very unlikely that things will change. NB's have gotten mostly bug fixes and buffs since day one, that is bound to change and as in point 1, this is an MMO and things are bound to change.
3.) You can't balance a game only with buffs without expecting major changes to large areas to keep the playing field leveled. Nerfs are needed for balance, and NB's have long since avoided them. I don't have faith in the combat team to do what needs to be done, after their track record, delays, clear disconnects from the community and game, as well as doing the exact opposite of what they said they were going to do, I do not expect this coming patch to change any of that, or they will and things will just get flipped entirely on its head for another fun year in a meta people will quickly grow to distaste.
We are close to balance, with some major buffs needed in some areas, but you don't get a balanced game from only buffs, nor do you get a balanced game by rebalancing it every half a year. Nerfs have their place, but first ZOS needs to show they can rebalance the game without breaking how it works.2 -
Tryxus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Can't we all just be a bit more compassionate and get the other classes buffed instead of nerfing 1?
When the option is to either buff EVERYTHING but one or nerf only one thing, which is easier? Buffing all the other classes includes buffing the difficulty of, everything else in the game. Every mod, every trap, every situation were damage and health matter would need to be relooked otherwise the buffs to all the classes would make the difficulty even more of a joke. Also I seem to recall that in the past there were many vocal players who would hijack threads to make sure everyone knew about their broken class, and I don't recall them showing any concern for the other classes when the shoe was on the other foot.
So you're saying the devs should be lazy, go for the easiest solution and let everything go to waste and lose players who quit this game cuz their class got nerfed to Oblivion?
Sorry, but I prefer a dev team that cares and players that smile. The extra effort from ZOS and a more positive attitude from the playerbase feels much better
So you prefer the devs spend their time balancing everything to raise the playing field up to NB's, taking significantly more time, energy, and resources, rather than bringing things on the extreme edges back into line? In the end NB's will be in line, we don't need game wide number inflation to do that. And that goes for what things are currently overpowered or over-performing.
If the other classes are boosted, the NB will be in line as well. Only then without the QQ.
There's nothing extreme about a NB either: we do our jobs as an assassin, we can run viable Magicka & Stamina builds in both PvE and PvP,...
The other classes need buffing as well, they need to be able to properly do their jobs and be viable with both types of builds.
Is it really that hard to think positive for a change? Or shall we continue the NERF-trend and kill this game?
If - all classes are buffed - Then - ALL pve content in the entire game, including cyrodiil and IC will need to be completely rebalanced. Do you seriously think ZOS is in the position to rebalance the entire game again in any time frame just to avoid the oh so evil Nerf? Balance comes from both buffs and nerfs, the fact that anything that even sounds like a nerf must by nature be evil is why we won't see more rapid balance in game, that and ZOS's relatively slow speed when it comes ot patches.
Honestly, a rebalancing of lots of things (not everything) is WAY better than to see a large portion of the playerbase leaving this game behind.
A majority of the playerbase are NB, either legitimate players who like the class itself or bandwagoners since they think the class is "OP". And a lot of these players spent weeks/months on getting their char to the lvl it is now. When the nerfhammer hits, a lot of them will leave. They'll be tired of the continuous nerfing and the wrecking of their class.
Now, if ZOS rebalances things, they're not gonna do it in 1 go obviously. First the classes should get balanced (by buffing DK and Temps) then the game should follow over a timeframe.
BTW, who says the game is gonna need rebalancing if the classes get buffed? A bit of buffing isn't gonna make the game easier ya know.
Also, through the amazing power of buffing, the playing field in Cyrodiil and in the PvE zones will become even again as players once again resume the game with their DK or Templar when they're buffed, NB's won't have to QQ and in general everybody will be better off...
Don't be so negative. I'm pretty sure ZOS realizes this as well, especially with the Great Class Overhaul coming up. They'll prob try to tweak the NB a bit and put the other classes on the same lvl.
1.) MMO's by their nature and expected life span will change. If people don't like change they shouldn't be playing this kind of game.
2.) 'A majority of the playerbase are NB' is not something I would argue with as it can likely be accurate, its hard not to be a popular class with the best array of passives and a wide array of viable and powerful skills, but isn't a problem when that is the most popular class and people get tired of fighting them so much more than most anything else?
I can't enjoy a fight with nb's in pvp anymore since they are overplayed so much. That is frustrating, and with how vocal the NB community is on the forums it is very unlikely that things will change. NB's have gotten mostly bug fixes and buffs since day one, that is bound to change and as in point 1, this is an MMO and things are bound to change.
3.) You can't balance a game only with buffs without expecting major changes to large areas to keep the playing field leveled. Nerfs are needed for balance, and NB's have long since avoided them. I don't have faith in the combat team to do what needs to be done, after their track record, delays, clear disconnects from the community and game, as well as doing the exact opposite of what they said they were going to do, I do not expect this coming patch to change any of that, or they will and things will just get flipped entirely on its head for another fun year in a meta people will quickly grow to distaste.
We are close to balance, with some major buffs needed in some areas, but you don't get a balanced game from only buffs, nor do you get a balanced game by rebalancing it every half a year. Nerfs have their place, but first ZOS needs to show they can rebalance the game without breaking how it works.
True: nerfs do have a place. But when it comes to classes, they should be used very rarely. Our classes in a way determine our character, our playstyle and our viability in PvE/PvP. And right now, after trying 3 classes (+ Stamplar, but I rarely talk about that) I kinda feel that NB hit that sweet spot of being very close to balance. They may need a few minor tweaks, but they're a perfect template at this point for the other classes to be based upon (viable Mag/Stam builds, proper passives for playstyle,...)
I guess at this point, the only thing that can be done is wait for ZOS to initiate their Great Class Overhaul and see how that works out. And with that overhaul, the game WILL need major rebalancing too. So I hope they take this opportunity to give DK and Temps their much needed buffs without screwing up the NB
I still have faith, and it's better to remain positive about things."Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
Tryxus - Guardian of the Green - Warden - PC/EU0 -
Reverb✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Can't we all just be a bit more compassionate and get the other classes buffed instead of nerfing 1?
Someone here said something a long time ago about zeni's approach to class and weapon balance, and it stuck with me. It's like they're looking at 2 sticks, let's say 1.3 DK and NB sticks. And they see that the DK stick is much longer. So they snap it in half, and put an extender on the NB stick. And when the nb stick is much longer than the dk stick, they pat themselves on the back for bringing the dk into balance.
Rather than small tweaks, they seem to favor sweeping changes that nerf one direction and buff the other at the same time, just creating new imbalances.Edited by Reverb on December 29, 2015 2:35PMBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. ~Friedrich Nietzsche3 -
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✭nordickittyhawk wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »I, for one, would like to apologize to NBs. Though I never called for a nerf cloak or NB to occur, I did complain strongly. I must admit it was primarily a l2p issue.
My new crusade is to see some buffs come towards temps and dks (for certain builds) and a slight revision of Sorc pets
well thank you sir. Once other classes are balanced... i think the cry for nerfs will stop.
No they will never stopPS4 NA
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CP5✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Can't we all just be a bit more compassionate and get the other classes buffed instead of nerfing 1?
Someone here said something a long time ago about zeni's approach to class and weapon balance, and it stuck with me. It's like they're looking at 2 sticks, let's say 1.3 DK and NB sticks. And they see that the DK stick is much longer. So they snap it in half, and put an extender on the NB stick. And when the nb stick is much longer than the dk stick, they pat themselves on the back for bringing the dk into balance.
Rather than small tweaks, they seem to favor sweeping changes that nerf one direction and buff the other at the same time, just creating new imbalances.
And as long as ZOS keeps the community in the dark about upcoming changes, and stack these changes to bi-yearly passes we will always get something like this during major patches. That or so little will change they may as well not put the balance patch in at all.0 -
SemiD4rkness✭✭✭✭✭Nerf Nightblades, nerf shieldstack, buff stam templar, buff magicka dk and buff stam sorc that's ''all'' we need hehe0
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WillhelmBlack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭So, it's not the players faults Zenimax made a Nightblade DLC or will continue doing with Thieves Guild DLC. Go do your thing!PC EU0 -
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Don't think your Sorc is safe either mate, lots of QQ about shields floating around too.0 -
Bashev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ebethke_ESO wrote: »There were plenty of NB OP posts pr-IC.
Does no one remember the sap tank/fear monster that was a light armor S&B nightblade that quickly found its place next to light armor DK?
True!
People forget that all 4 classes were OP in 1.5.
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catalyst10e✭✭✭✭I'd be willing to bet that if the devs opted out of nerfing NB and instead decided to put in the work to buff all the other classes, all the "Nerf NB" threads, would just be replaced with "Buff NB" threads, filled with people QQing over "no love for NB?! everyone else got buffs! now were all weak! ZOS hates NBs! There was nothing wrong with NB yet we deserve a buff now!" etc etc etc.
We all got our turn with the ban hammer, it's simply rotated to NB now. Instead of saying the class is fine, and not OP maybe you should try and get in front of it and voice opinions over acceptable terms, such as no regen or limited regen while cloaked. yes, SOME of the QQing over NB are over l2p issues, but not all of them, and you need to admit that and try to move forward with acceptable changes."Why settle for just stabbing your foes when you can roast them alive in a gout of arcane fire?"
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Undefwun✭✭✭✭✭Little bit over the cloak crying.
Yes I can run through IC without having to fight everything and from one end of Cyro to the other without breaking cloak or running out of magicka, but it is NOT a definite perfect escape option every time.
2 examples from Cyro yesterday.
1) I was attacking another NB. I cast cripple before he cloaked. Pulled him right out instantly. He got creamed instantly by me and my guildie. If it's been cast before I cloak, it usually seems to hit me and pulls me out of cloak.
2) Bit off more than I can chew and after a kill had two stam guys on me. Both threw overlapping sets of caltrops. Pretty much dead right there. By the time I rolled out of the caltrops (and out of stam by this stage), tried to cloak, I've already been rushed and wrecking blow spammed.
In a 1v1 yes you can disengage often, but still it's not a 100% guarantee.
All classes have skills that annoy everyone else. For me DK Talon spam and Flappy Wings. Sorcs ward and streak. Temps jabs (Seems to stop me from pressing anything half the time).
Drank Sinatra Sr - PvP Magblade - DC
Juggathot - PvP Mag Sorc - DC
Jedi Mind Crits - PvP A-Hole Bowblade - DC
Dollar Store Thor - PvP Stamplar - DC
The Bone Sumpremacy - baby Stamcro - DC
Wârden Freeman - PvP Stamden - DC (on hold)
Lauryn Heal - PvE Magplar DPS - DC
Lil Orc Chop - PvP Stam Sorc - EP
Hamuel L Jackson - PvE DPS & PvP Stam DK - EP
Chandler Bling - PvP Magden - EP
Mahalia Lightborn - exiled crafting toon - cos you know, she's AD1 -
Darnathian✭✭✭✭✭
✭Can't we all just be a bit more compassionate and get the other classes buffed instead of nerfing 1?
When the option is to either buff EVERYTHING but one or nerf only one thing, which is easier? Buffing all the other classes includes buffing the difficulty of, everything else in the game. Every mod, every trap, every situation were damage and health matter would need to be relooked otherwise the buffs to all the classes would make the difficulty even more of a joke. Also I seem to recall that in the past there were many vocal players who would hijack threads to make sure everyone knew about their broken class, and I don't recall them showing any concern for the other classes when the shoe was on the other foot.
So you're saying the devs should be lazy, go for the easiest solution and let everything go to waste and lose players who quit this game cuz their class got nerfed to Oblivion?
Sorry, but I prefer a dev team that cares and players that smile. The extra effort from ZOS and a more positive attitude from the playerbase feels much better
ROFL. no biased opinion here. i dont understand why but his three toons are nbs.1 -
Tryxus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Darnathian wrote: »Can't we all just be a bit more compassionate and get the other classes buffed instead of nerfing 1?
When the option is to either buff EVERYTHING but one or nerf only one thing, which is easier? Buffing all the other classes includes buffing the difficulty of, everything else in the game. Every mod, every trap, every situation were damage and health matter would need to be relooked otherwise the buffs to all the classes would make the difficulty even more of a joke. Also I seem to recall that in the past there were many vocal players who would hijack threads to make sure everyone knew about their broken class, and I don't recall them showing any concern for the other classes when the shoe was on the other foot.
So you're saying the devs should be lazy, go for the easiest solution and let everything go to waste and lose players who quit this game cuz their class got nerfed to Oblivion?
Sorry, but I prefer a dev team that cares and players that smile. The extra effort from ZOS and a more positive attitude from the playerbase feels much better
ROFL. no biased opinion here. i dont understand why but his three toons are nbs.
1. I love Illusion Magic (Fear, Invisibility,...)
2. I love Stealth Gameplay
3. These chars are based on a story I'm writing (even got ZOS to change my forum/account name for that)
4. If I rlly was biased, I wouldn't be asking for Temp/DK buffs or for ways to make the NB more fair and less abusable (Reduced Magicka Regen while Cloaked for instance)"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
Tryxus - Guardian of the Green - Warden - PC/EU0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Also, on NA I have a DK and a Sorc. But I rarely play there anymore so... no point in mentioning them"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
Tryxus - Guardian of the Green - Warden - PC/EU0 -
Barlthump✭✭✭See all the rage about cloak is when a magicka nightblade uses it forever. As a stamina nightblade I can max cloak about 3 times not counting my use of fear and casting buffs like double take. It's the whole reason why I use drinks to regen magicka and try to keep an escape route planned before I attack. One pitiful cloak is all I get when I get into battle. And mind you, cloak is so easy to counter that if I get pulled out once, I'm gonna get gap closer-ed to death. Maybe they shold make cloak cost a percent of your magicka pool so that after a finite number of casts you can't cloak anymore.
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Lylith✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭buffing the broken classes would not require a rebalance of the game. those classes worked just fine until the devs listened to the neverending playerwhine and nerfed them into the ground with no significant changes to the game itself.
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