Am I the only one that finds ganking shameful?

Pandorii · December 2015

Hi All:

I was wondering if there were others out there who found the whole practice of ganking shameful. Essentially, people will form small teams and go around sneaking up on people in the Imperial Sewers, stealing the tel var stones they have taken time to farm out (instead of farming it out themselves). For the most part, I've tolerated it, seeing it as an inevitable part of being in IC, a PvP area, but should it be so? I was thinking maybe gankers needed to be exposed. Would having a public ganker blacklist be something that could effectively control the problem? At the very least, maybe this would allow karma to take its toll, meaning ganking the gankers.

P.S. I apologize if I've broken some forum norm with this post. I'm sure there are others on this topic, but I am looking for constructive feedback (not slander).

Korah_Eaglecry · December 2015

ZOS doesnt and thats why IC exists in the game the way it does. They knew it was going to play out this way. Now its a pretty worthless place to be unless youre a ganker or a gank-hunter.

Wollust · December 2015

Ganking is a part of the PvP, even if you don't like it. You just have to accept it.

Alucardo · December 2015

Imperial City has its own little ecosystem.

PVE grinders farm stones so that experienced PVPers can slaughter them and steal their stones. The PVPers then buy mats and equipment to sell to the disgruntled PVE grinders who failed to buy a sigil of retreat to bank their loot.
So in the end, the gankers get their money, and PVErs get the goods they would have bought for the Tel Var stones they lost.

It's the great circle of life.

ralonasan · December 2015

Alucardo wrote: »

Imperial City has its own little ecosystem.

PVE grinders farm stones so that experienced PVPers can slaughter them and steal their stones. The PVPers then buy mats and equipment to sell to the disgruntled PVE grinders who failed to buy a sigil of retreat to bank their loot.
So in the end, the gankers get their money, and PVErs get the goods they would have bought for the Tel Var stones they lost.

It's the great circle of life.

Sounds like real life to me, I thought we were talking about ESO?

Forestd16b14_ESO · December 2015

It's pathetic not shameful but gankers and ZOS don't care .

Pandorii · December 2015

Alucardo wrote: »

Imperial City has its own little ecosystem.

PVE grinders farm stones so that experienced PVPers can slaughter them and steal their stones. The PVPers then buy mats and equipment to sell to the disgruntled PVE grinders who failed to buy a sigil of retreat to bank their loot.
So in the end, the gankers get their money, and PVErs get the goods they would have bought for the Tel Var stones they lost.

It's the great circle of life.

This doesn't seem at all fair for the PvEers. xD If they had the tel var, they could buy the mats themselves and not waste their own gold!

Also, how can a PvPer afford a 10k sigil if they have their stones ganked every 30 mins or so? In all seriousness, I feel like I typically can move a gankers heart if I talk to him/her. There's a cultural of acceptance towards gankers that allows them to think that what they do is ok, but it's actually really mean. T.T

One recent ganker that I spoke to said it was the only way he could get stones. I offered to show him how I solo grind tel var in the sewers when I am left alone. (FYI, I like to twitch broadcast my IC farming. My twitch account is Pandorii.)

Something has to be done. If ZOS won't change it, maybe we can by no longer accepting ganking as normal.

Tryxus · December 2015

I rlly don't know how to answer to this without stepping on some toes.... so...

I'm just gonna sit here and watch

Alucardo · December 2015

Pandorii wrote: »

This doesn't seem at all fair for the PvEers. xD If they had the tel var, they could buy the mats themselves and not waste their own gold!

Also, how can a PvPer afford a 10k sigil if they have their stones ganked every 30 mins or so? In all seriousness, I feel like I typically can move a gankers heart if I talk to him/her. There's a cultural of acceptance towards gankers that allows them to think that what they do is ok, but it's actually really mean. T.T

One recent ganker that I spoke to said it was the only way he could get stones. I offered to show him how I solo grind tel var in the sewers when I am left alone. (FYI, I like to twitch broadcast my IC farming. My twitch account is Pandorii.)

Something has to be done. If ZOS won't change it, maybe we can by no longer accepting ganking as normal.

You can buy a sigil of retreat for AP, not TVs. You can also find them in portal chests. Or once you make 1k stones, suicide by mob then go bank. Sometimes I find people walking around with 1700-1900 stones, which is just risky because you're obviously aware there are gankers about.
Truth is, the people who gank you are there for PVP. They don't want to kill mobs for stones because it wouldn't feel like a PVP DLC then, which it's supposed to be.
I get what you mean though. I don't like gankers. There's a difference between a couple of guys yoloing into the enemy base and someone waiting in the shadows for you to start attacking mobs. I can't stand the latter.

Nebthet78 · December 2015

Alucardo wrote: »

Imperial City has its own little ecosystem.

PVE grinders farm stones so that experienced PVPers can slaughter them and steal their stones. The PVPers then buy mats and equipment to sell to the disgruntled PVE grinders who failed to buy a sigil of retreat to bank their loot.
So in the end, the gankers get their money, and PVErs get the goods they would have bought for the Tel Var stones they lost.

It's the great circle of life.

And it's the reason why I don't set foot in IC any longer, and wouldn't have if I did not sub.

leepalmer95 · December 2015

Gankers should have some sort of risk involved, like needing 200 stones to enter a enemy part of the sewers or something.

mrdaveqc · December 2015

To be honest I farm my stone and I go gank ( alone ) some ! It's part of the game . Sadly but true and Alucardo is right in everything he just say in is post ( make my first million like that ) before I go I just want to say that , sometime you win sometime you lose

Alucardo · December 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Gankers should have some sort of risk involved, like needing 200 stones to enter a enemy part of the sewers or something.

God no man.

There should be no restrictions like that in a PVP DLC. The thing I like most about IC is it feels like a mini open world PVP zone where anything goes.
If you're not prepared to fight, then you're in the wrong place. Go try Wrothgar, or the other 98% of ESO dedicated to PVE zones.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO · December 2015

Hey you want to stop getting Ganked..

Real easy pick the Right Alliance, Like AD

Then we wouldn't have Gankers and everyone would live in Peace

we could all just defeat all the daedra and get as much TV stones that we want in IC..

Oh wait you want to be a Blueberry or Raspberry, then you are getting Ganked

LOL

PS- I'm sorry I couldn't help myself..

Pandorii · December 2015

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

Hey you want to stop getting Ganked..

Real easy pick the Right Alliance, Like AD

You've got so much AD pride. It's adorable!! xD

I'll be making an AD sorc these next few days, but I play mostly in EP.

leepalmer95 · December 2015

Alucardo wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Gankers should have some sort of risk involved, like needing 200 stones to enter a enemy part of the sewers or something.

God no man.

There should be no restrictions like that in a PVP DLC. The thing I like most about IC is it feels like a mini open world PVP zone where anything goes.
If you're not prepared to fight, then you're in the wrong place. Go try Wrothgar, or the other 98% of ESO dedicated to PVE zones.

It's annoying when i turn around and kill my would be gankers and get nothing for it. If your going to go and take peoples stones you need to have some risk to yourself, it's one of the reason people are hating on nb's because apart from the fact IC is made for nb's they literally go to enemy sewers cloak through mobs gank and leave.

If they die then nothing they just go and respawn.

Waffennacht · December 2015

I understand the reward part for PvPers, I understand the risk for PvPers, what I want is some sort of reward for my risk. Or some sort of risk for the PvPer. I would prefer a reward.

It is beyond absurd I can kill the same players almost endlessly as they continue to respawn and attack me with no reward! Its even set up that the more often they throw themselves at me the less AP I get. Then, if they do manage to kill me they get practically all the stones.

There should be a generation of stones when a player is killed, along with the percentage, I'd settle for a decreasing amount the more often a player dies.

Kova · December 2015

Pandorii wrote: »

Hi All:

I was wondering if there were others out there who found the whole practice of ganking shameful. Essentially, people will form small teams and go around sneaking up on people in the Imperial Sewers, stealing the tel var stones they have taken time to farm out (instead of farming it out themselves). For the most part, I've tolerated it, seeing it as an inevitable part of being in IC, a PvP area, but should it be so? I was thinking maybe gankers needed to be exposed. Would having a public ganker blacklist be something that could effectively control the problem? At the very least, maybe this would allow karma to take its toll, meaning ganking the gankers.

P.S. I apologize if I've broken some forum norm with this post. I'm sure there are others on this topic, but I am looking for constructive feedback (not slander).

I will assert that ganking should exist. I hate it and it accounts for the majority of my deaths AND I'm a duelist, which is the exact opposite of a ganker, but it plays a pivotal role in gameplay. Minesweeper would be pretty boring if there were no mines. What you see as unfair, others see as tact.

Look at it this way. Let's say you are 1v1ing someone. You probably won't ever just straight dps them down, so you have to stun them. This leaves them defenseless, allowing you the kill. Ganking is like a surprise 1v1! I honestly only find it shameful if they fail the gank and run away like a coward. Maybe it's the duelist in me, but you had enough eggs to start the fight, you have enough to stay and fight.

I feel so great when I kill a group of gankers. Then there are those dirty Imgas who cry ganker when it's the "ganker" that is outnumbered, which confuses the fodder out of me. A buddy and I were accused of ganking a twelve man group.

mrdaveqc · December 2015

Waffennacht wrote: »

I understand the reward part for PvPers, I understand the risk for PvPers, what I want is some sort of reward for my risk. Or some sort of risk for the PvPer. I would prefer a reward.

It is beyond absurd I can kill the same players almost endlessly as they continue to respawn and attack me with no reward! Its even set up that the more often they throw themselves at me the less AP I get. Then, if they do manage to kill me they get practically all the stones.

There should be a generation of stones when a player is killed, along with the percentage, I'd settle for a decreasing amount the more often a player dies.

Then people will just ask for their friend to get kill in the sewer for farming .... And ic become irrelevant

Alucardo · December 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

It's annoying when i turn around and kill my would be gankers and get nothing for it. If your going to go and take peoples stones you need to have some risk to yourself, it's one of the reason people are hating on nb's because apart from the fact IC is made for nb's they literally go to enemy sewers cloak through mobs gank and leave.

If they die then nothing they just go and respawn.

That's because many of them aren't actually there for, and don't care about TVs. They just want to find a group of people and kill them. Having a TV stone restriction to get into part of the PVP area is ridiculous because they'd basically have to scout the districts for ages and hope THEY don't get ganked so they'd have to start all over again, or do PVE and farm enough mobs for 200 TVs.
That idea won't go down too well, I can assure you.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO · December 2015

Pandorii wrote: »

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

Hey you want to stop getting Ganked..

Real easy pick the Right Alliance, Like AD

You've got so much AD pride. It's adorable!! xD

I'll be making an AD sorc these next few days, but I play mostly in EP.

Thanks, this one fights For the Kate

, oh I mean the Queen

Asherons_Call · December 2015

You are not the only one. Unwritten rules are going by the wayside where treating others how you yourself would like to be treated are becoming a thing of the past

RedTalon · December 2015

Just think of it has trolling, something to do when bored and that shame will go away and you love ganking.

Lysette · December 2015

Well, with all that said - don't forget that ambush tactics are the main reason to play the nightblade class. So this is intended game play and not something, what should be banned or seen as unfair. Nightblades are an assassin class and they do exactly what they are supposed to do, if they ambush someone and kill him quickly - that is what assassins do and what the assassination skill line of this class is for. Is it shameful to be a murderer?- In real life yes, but this is a game, not real life.

EIGHTS · December 2015

This is a real world. Not everyone is honor.
You should learn how to be strong and not be ganked.

Komma · December 2015

All styles of play are hated by someone. There is absolutely nothing wrong with any of them except for zergballing which ruins the whole server via lag. If not for that then even it would be ok as long as there was a viable way to defeat it that didnt involve another zergball.

People wanted small scale fights and the gankers are small scale. Just exactly what is it that people really want? lol

americansteel · December 2015

ganking questers is not PvP.
AP should not be rewarded in IC due to the fact IC has no relevance to capping keeps scrolls and resources.
but then again gankers are trash players. i find joy in killing bannanas and getting messages over xbl saying how bad i am.

Daedgaming · December 2015

Pandorii wrote: »

Hi All:

I was wondering if there were others out there who found the whole practice of ganking shameful. Essentially, people will form small teams and go around sneaking up on people in the Imperial Sewers, stealing the tel var stones they have taken time to farm out (instead of farming it out themselves). For the most part, I've tolerated it, seeing it as an inevitable part of being in IC, a PvP area, but should it be so? I was thinking maybe gankers needed to be exposed. Would having a public ganker blacklist be something that could effectively control the problem? At the very least, maybe this would allow karma to take its toll, meaning ganking the gankers.

P.S. I apologize if I've broken some forum norm with this post. I'm sure there are others on this topic, but I am looking for constructive feedback (not slander).

I call it another day on the job.

Barlthump · December 2015

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

It's pathetic not shameful but gankers and ZOS don't care .

Hi I'm astanstus, and I am that thorn in your side that steals all those juicy stones you farm for me! Pull the whole room and spin 2 win or impulse all by yourself? Whoop whoop, you can be sure imma wait for you to clear the room and jump you to steal your stones.

Plot twist: OP never expected the gankers to expose themselves.

Lysette · December 2015

americansteel wrote: »

ganking questers is not PvP.
AP should not be rewarded in IC due to the fact IC has no relevance to capping keeps scrolls and resources.
but then again gankers are trash players. i find joy in killing bannanas and getting messages over xbl saying how bad i am.

I don't think, that removing AP from the IC would change the ganking behavior, there are still tel var stones to farm from players, and even if this would be removed, some people like to gank others, that is part of a griefer mentality. They do not want to engage in a fair fight, but just grief others. Neither removal of AP nor of the loot would change that IMO.

Robo_Hobo · December 2015

Ain't no rest for the wicked.