PVE Imperial city

mb10 · December 2015

Boo hoo you're in a PVP zone man its meant to be dangerous. That nightblade has every right of attacking you.

Alucardo · December 2015

Deal with it.

Khaos_Bane · December 2015

Alucardo wrote: »

Deal with it.

LOL

lolo_01b16_ESO · December 2015

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

I also don't see why PvP players get so upset, when someone asks for a PvE IC. Why do you even care? Can a PvP player answer that question? I sure don't care if they have a PvE instance of it.

The IC is already mostly PvE, which makes PvE players crying for a PvE IC a travesty.

[PS] PvP players I know go to Wrothgar to farm mats, not the IC. They are not rich from selling mats because playing PvP does not get you any mats, meaningful rewards or decent amount of gold. Maybe you are playing a game that's not ESO?

1. Imperial City is PvP not PvE
2. Then the PvP players you know are doing it wrong. In fact, I call BS on you stating that they farm for v16 runes and Ruby in Wroth. PvP does give you mats a lot of mats very quickly and the most meaningful rewards. You just don't know what you are doing or stating BS.

Please tell me how I get mats and meaningful rewards by doing pvp. You can't loot enemy players (apart from tel var stones, but that won't make you rich unless you get a lucky hit), the rewards of the worthy are laughable and the gear I can buy with ap is even worse.

It's pretty simple, and it's how most of my guild is farming and making gold. It's also been stated in several PvP threads. You have v16 runes and Mats that sell for cheap TVS. I haven't even seen a v16 rune drop in Wroth, I get them from IC and use them or sell them to the PvE community. Go try it, maybe you will see the light, or not.

Soon, all the dungeon masks will be available to purchase with AP. So, PvP players will be sitting in a great position to make gold in IC, and get top tier PvE content without having to do any PvE. Yet, a lot of PvP derps tell the PvE players to get over it and they have to do PvP to get runes/mats.

It amazes me PvP players cry about gold.

Hm, I never found the vendor who sells v16 stuff for ap. And if you are talking about tel var stones, can you tell me on which campaign (pc eu) I can find enough players to make more money by killing them than I would do by farming npcs?

Lava_Croft · December 2015

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Then don't go to the IC and get your mats from Wrothgar like any other PvE scrub.

I do get them in IC. What's your problem with PvE players? Grow up man. Stop whining.

The problem with some PvE players is that having nearly the entire game be a PvE zone apparently is not enough, so the only piece of half-assed 'PvP' DLC that is actually PvE DLC also needs to be completely gutted and get a special short bus version, while the developers' time is much better spent actually improving the game.

ostrapz · December 2015

A pure pve unstance of ic, who would stay in pvp ic lol, not even pvpers, sewers are empty enough.1 week in the same pve'rs would be on forums complaining that the dc keep farming all the other factions mobs an hogging the middle portals seriously though risk v reward may be off with ganking but makin a pure pve ic just removes any risk at all

Asherons_Call · December 2015

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Then don't go to the IC and get your mats from Wrothgar like any other PvE scrub.

Chip on your shoulder eh? Care to talk about it? Have a seat on my couch, I charge 250 per hour

Jaronking · December 2015

We can't even have a true PVP Imperial City why do you get a PVE version?Grow a pair and PVP.

Ghost-Shot · December 2015

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

I also don't see why PvP players get so upset, when someone asks for a PvE IC. Why do you even care? Can a PvP player answer that question? I sure don't care if they have a PvE instance of it.

The IC is already mostly PvE, which makes PvE players crying for a PvE IC a travesty.

[PS] PvP players I know go to Wrothgar to farm mats, not the IC. They are not rich from selling mats because playing PvP does not get you any mats, meaningful rewards or decent amount of gold. Maybe you are playing a game that's not ESO?

1. Imperial City is PvP not PvE
2. Then the PvP players you know are doing it wrong. In fact, I call BS on you stating that they farm for v16 runes and Ruby in Wroth. PvP does give you mats a lot of mats very quickly and the most meaningful rewards. You just don't know what you are doing or stating BS.

PvP gives you 0 mats, killing mobs gives you mats.

Khaos_Bane · December 2015

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

I also don't see why PvP players get so upset, when someone asks for a PvE IC. Why do you even care? Can a PvP player answer that question? I sure don't care if they have a PvE instance of it.

The IC is already mostly PvE, which makes PvE players crying for a PvE IC a travesty.

[PS] PvP players I know go to Wrothgar to farm mats, not the IC. They are not rich from selling mats because playing PvP does not get you any mats, meaningful rewards or decent amount of gold. Maybe you are playing a game that's not ESO?

1. Imperial City is PvP not PvE
2. Then the PvP players you know are doing it wrong. In fact, I call BS on you stating that they farm for v16 runes and Ruby in Wroth. PvP does give you mats a lot of mats very quickly and the most meaningful rewards. You just don't know what you are doing or stating BS.

PvP gives you 0 mats, killing mobs gives you mats.

Sure it does. You kill players for TVS and mobs. Have you played IC yet?

Khaos_Bane · December 2015

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Then don't go to the IC and get your mats from Wrothgar like any other PvE scrub.

I do get them in IC. What's your problem with PvE players? Grow up man. Stop whining.

The problem with some PvE players is that having nearly the entire game be a PvE zone apparently is not enough, so the only piece of half-assed 'PvP' DLC that is actually PvE DLC also needs to be completely gutted and get a special short bus version, while the developers' time is much better spent actually improving the game.

No IC is a PvP expansion with a couple of PvE dungeons. The only complaints I have heard from PvE are for the mats being highly available through TVS in IC. How is the view from the short bus?

Khaos_Bane · December 2015

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

I also don't see why PvP players get so upset, when someone asks for a PvE IC. Why do you even care? Can a PvP player answer that question? I sure don't care if they have a PvE instance of it.

The IC is already mostly PvE, which makes PvE players crying for a PvE IC a travesty.

[PS] PvP players I know go to Wrothgar to farm mats, not the IC. They are not rich from selling mats because playing PvP does not get you any mats, meaningful rewards or decent amount of gold. Maybe you are playing a game that's not ESO?

1. Imperial City is PvP not PvE
2. Then the PvP players you know are doing it wrong. In fact, I call BS on you stating that they farm for v16 runes and Ruby in Wroth. PvP does give you mats a lot of mats very quickly and the most meaningful rewards. You just don't know what you are doing or stating BS.

Please tell me how I get mats and meaningful rewards by doing pvp. You can't loot enemy players (apart from tel var stones, but that won't make you rich unless you get a lucky hit), the rewards of the worthy are laughable and the gear I can buy with ap is even worse.

It's pretty simple, and it's how most of my guild is farming and making gold. It's also been stated in several PvP threads. You have v16 runes and Mats that sell for cheap TVS. I haven't even seen a v16 rune drop in Wroth, I get them from IC and use them or sell them to the PvE community. Go try it, maybe you will see the light, or not.

Soon, all the dungeon masks will be available to purchase with AP. So, PvP players will be sitting in a great position to make gold in IC, and get top tier PvE content without having to do any PvE. Yet, a lot of PvP derps tell the PvE players to get over it and they have to do PvP to get runes/mats.

It amazes me PvP players cry about gold.

Hm, I never found the vendor who sells v16 stuff for ap. And if you are talking about tel var stones, can you tell me on which campaign (pc eu) I can find enough players to make more money by killing them than I would do by farming npcs?

I'm not on EU so couldn't tell you. Like I said earlier in this thread, watch the latest version of ESO live for the Cyrodill vendor. They are adding a vendor in Cyrodil who sells the PvE helm/shoulder sets with AP.

Lysette · December 2015

Sallington wrote: »

For people that are afraid of some competition and PVP: I heard from a friend that Bethesda actually made a couple solo Elder Scrolls game. They're supposed to be pretty decent too.

Hahaha, did you live in a barrel during the last 15+ years, that you heard just now about these amazing games? .-)

NordJitsu · December 2015

It's a PvP zone. In this zone, expect PvP.

Being ganked while doing PvE and ganking others while doing PvE is the entire point of this zone. If you don't like it, you shouldn't play there.

What you are complain about is the CORE of the DLC, not an accident that needs to be fixed.

Lysette · December 2015

NordJitsu wrote: »

It's a PvP zone. In this zone, expect PvP.

Being ganked while doing PvE and ganking others while doing PvE is the entire point of this zone. If you don't like it, you shouldn't play there.

What you are complain about is the CORE of the DLC, not an accident that needs to be fixed.

That is a pretty one-sided view onto this DLC - PvP is an option there, not a duty. Another option would be to form a temporary alliance with members of another faction in order to achieve a temporary common goal in the IC. This is not unlike the faction creation in ESO in a whole - all 3 factions consist of races, which are normally not compatible mentality-wise, but they formed alliances to achieve a common goal. Just because PvP is allowed, does not mean it would be the sole purpose of this zone.

Khaos_Bane · December 2015

NordJitsu wrote: »

It's a PvP zone. In this zone, expect PvP.

Being ganked while doing PvE and ganking others while doing PvE is the entire point of this zone. If you don't like it, you shouldn't play there.

What you are complain about is the CORE of the DLC, not an accident that needs to be fixed.

Indeed it is the purpose.

The most complaints I have heard is availability of the v16 runes. It's very very easy to acquire them in IC, but not at all in Wrothgar or in PvE. That's the only legit complaint I hear. It's not an IC issue, it's an issue with mats in PvE.

Nifty2g · December 2015

i really think this might be a top contender to thread of the year

Lysette · December 2015

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Indeed it is the purpose.

The most complaints I have heard is availability of the v16 runes. It's very very easy to acquire them in IC, but not at all in Wrothgar or in PvE. That's the only legit complaint I hear. It's not an IC issue, it's an issue with mats in PvE.

I don't think that this is an issue, but intended. There has to be a reward for taking the risk to farm in IC instead of in wrothgar and this reward is easier farming, if you survive it. This all makes complete sense. If people from different factions would cease fire for the time being and farm, it would be more efficient even. But as it seems, are PvP player of the opinion that they are supposed to pvp there - but it is an option, you do as well not feel forced to drink alcoholic beverages in a pub or smoke in a room, where smoking is allowed, these are just options. You are not supposed to gank someone, but you can, if you please.

catalyst10e · December 2015

The only gankers I find particularly annoying is the ones outside of the sewers. A player should not be able to block me from content I paid for. But all that comes back to "being in a PVP zone" its a feature. Join a guild, get a small group going, be proactive and pay attention to your surroundings, get some CC, buy some Phoenix armor. You'll get better over time, and it'll feel like more of an accomplishment if you can killa small mob AND THEN that guy who tried to gank you.

Lysette · December 2015

But gate camps are typical in locations, where there is the sole entry to a contested area - it is the most vulnerable and easy to guard location and so it is used for this purpose. It is as well wrong in my opinion to come with the argument, that these people would hold you back from this DLC content, that is not what they do. They themselves use the content of this DLC for one of the purposes it was created for - to PvP. If you cant compete alone, bring friends and fight them - it is not a theme park there, where you can just do sightseeing without taking a risk - taking a risk is the actual purpose of this DLC.

MornaBaine · December 2015

ajwest927 wrote: »

Why do pve-ers always want what pvp haves without pvping?

Because a game that genuinely supports both playstyles should have the means for EACH to get whatever the other has. There should be no exclusive PvP OR PvE rewards. As a PvPer you should be able to do nothing but PvP from day one AND get rewards comparable to those who PvE. And vice versa.

NordJitsu · December 2015

Lysette wrote: »

NordJitsu wrote: »

It's a PvP zone. In this zone, expect PvP.

Being ganked while doing PvE and ganking others while doing PvE is the entire point of this zone. If you don't like it, you shouldn't play there.

What you are complain about is the CORE of the DLC, not an accident that needs to be fixed.

That is a pretty one-sided view onto this DLC - PvP is an option there, not a duty. Another option would be to form a temporary alliance with members of another faction in order to achieve a temporary common goal in the IC. This is not unlike the faction creation in ESO in a whole - all 3 factions consist of races, which are normally not compatible mentality-wise, but they formed alliances to achieve a common goal. Just because PvP is allowed, does not mean it would be the sole purpose of this zone.

I didn't say sole purpose. I said it's the core, the point.

Of course you CAN do other things, like PvE grind with a group. But the intent of mixing PvE with PvP is that you'll be at risk all the time.

And if you seriously think you have a better than 1 in 1,000,000 chance to team up with opposing factions, you probably haven't played very many PvP MMOs. Unless the two of you are pre-existing friends on a TeamSpeak channel together, anyone who sees you is going to either run away or try to kill you.

Lysette · December 2015

No, actually this is not what the elderscrolls is made for - it is a roleplaying MMO - if you just want to do pvp and nothing else, you are wrong in this game.

Lysette · December 2015

that is correct, I never played a pure pvp MMO, I am a roleplayer - and that is why I play ESO and not another fantasy MMO.

Edit:

I think the issue here is that 2 worlds collide in ESO - there is the RPG community which goes for exploration and stuff like this - and there is the pvp MMO community, which is seeing ESO as a pvp platform. Both is just partly correct, because it is a mix - with the main focus on PvE, not PvP - seen from the current zoning.

catalyst10e · December 2015

Lysette wrote: »

But gate camps are typical in locations, where there is the sole entry to a contested area - it is the most vulnerable and easy to guard location and so it is used for this purpose. It is as well wrong in my opinion to come with the argument, that these people would hold you back from this DLC content, that is not what they do. They themselves use the content of this DLC for one of the purposes it was created for - to PvP. If you cant compete alone, bring friends and fight them - it is not a theme park there, where you can just do sightseeing without taking a risk - taking a risk is the actual purpose of this DLC.

Yes they are taking advantage of the fact I paid for IC content, and want to use said content, so they camp outside the sewer gate to stop me from entering the content. which they do not need to pay for to "enjoy" for their own uses. When I buy the DLC I'm buying the ability to go into the DLC and play the content. The gankers taking advantage of the fact I have little options to get into the DLC are waiting for people to kill thus baring the entrance. They are not using the content, they're using the existence of the content, as you don't need the DLC to see the sewer entrance. I'm not asking or suggesting it should be a theme park, and how is trying to enter the DLC "sightseeing" or a "risk"?

So the whole point of the imperial city is in fact NOT to get into the imperial city, and earn TV, get new gear, new delves with new bosses, and fight PVE and PVP in the arena, it's in fact JUST about taking the "risk" of getting to the DLC I get it now!

Cervanteseric85ub17_ESO · December 2015

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Then don't go to the IC and get your mats from Wrothgar like any other PvE scrub.

I do get them there, in IC. What's your problem with PvE players? Grow up man. Stop whining.

Tryxus wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

I also don't see why PvP players get so upset, when someone asks for a PvE IC. Why do you even care? Can a PvP player answer that question? I sure don't care if they have a PvE instance of it.

The IC is already mostly PvE, which makes PvE players crying for a PvE IC a travesty.

[PS] PvP players I know go to Wrothgar to farm mats, not the IC. They are not rich from selling mats because playing PvP does not get you any mats, meaningful rewards or decent amount of gold. Maybe you are playing a game that's not ESO?

1. Imperial City is PvP not PvE
2. Then the PvP players you know are doing it wrong. In fact, I call BS on you stating that they farm for v16 runes and Ruby in Wroth. PvP does give you mats a lot of mats very quickly and the most meaningful rewards. You just don't know what you are doing or stating BS.

1. It's both actually: a PvE expansion and story set inside a PvP zone
2. Wrothgar is better for farming mats due to the scaled nodes giving you raw mats and enemies dropping v16 stuff without having to worry about enemy players.

Not many ppl like it so like I said: IC caters to a small group of the PvPers

The two dungeons are PvE. PvE players are forced into PvP for sewers. If PvE players don't want to engage in PvP they cannot do IC. Get it?

Gee, I wonder what all the quests, the portals, the Scamps and the Molag Bal event are...

Ppl aren't forced to do anything in this game: you can choose to do both in IC. I personally find it's better to go in there with a PvP setup and farm with that, but I'm not forced to seek out and fight other players now, are we?

I'm finding it hard to believe you cannot grasp this, but I will bite anyway. PvP players engage PvE players in IC during boss fights or simply farming. They don't want to PvP. In other words, it's a PvP zone. Get it yet?

PvP players cry about not making gold, which they can EASILY in IC. Also, they will have access to top tier PvP gear with AP points because they cried about it long enough. Yet you have the PvP community constantly telling the PvE community to just PvP and stop the QQ.

This isn't hard to understand. You should have to PvE for your masks, period.

TV stones come from PVE mobs in IC, not players. You gain TVs by farming PVE mobs , then use the currency to buy VR16 mats to sell for gold. You also seem to be under the impression that players are strictly only PVP or PVE, and that there is apparently a PVP / PVE tag above every player, how do you know who is who ? I consider my self a hardcore PVPer, been in cyrodil since launch , when I get into IC I don't just wander around looking for players exclusively, that is probably the least rewarding way to progress. The real progress and reward comes from killing PVE mobs. So no it's not PVP that is getting rewarded in IC it is the PVE grind. Also you seem to leave out one major detail about the vendor, helms/shoulders will be available for GOLD, GOLD, GOLD DAM COINS, ROUND GOLD COINS ! Gold for the PVE crowd and AP for the PVP crowd, where is the great injustice ? And what top PVP gear ? Catch up with the meta why don't you, cyrodil a light and ravager are old stuff, my VR16 gold sets are from PVE crafting land.

RAGUNAnoOne · December 2015

Wollust wrote: »

IC was flagged as a PvP-DLC. Expect PvP in a PvP-DLC. Even if it has some PvE aspects. You bought it out of your choice, knowing what it would be like. Don't demand changes just because it doesn't suit you.

How would you feel like if PvPers were asking to make Wrothgar a PvP zone?

Excuse me? they already do like once every 3 days! I don't give a damn as long as it is a separate instance in fact I would support it, if it was forced on everyone then I would appose. @MornaBaine

jpatek0501ub17_ESO · December 2015

hammayolettuce wrote: »

Casering wrote: »

been doing ICS and IC quite allot recently and at some times its completely unbearable due to the players on opposite factions.
here are a few reasons pvp can be bad for imperial city

1:being ganked whilst fighting. Say your just farming some clanfears and dremora which can be tough on the stam and hp at times and a nightblade just teleport strikes you and starts killing you right when your low on hp and stealing your telvar sometimes if your lucky the mob will get the last hit but this is not always the case all classes can do this but I find the nightblade to be the most noteworthy of this kind of thing .I find this heavily interferes with the pve aspect of IC.

2:player farmers these guys are literally everywhere you go but in extreme cases they are even found in the locked axe campaign staying inside for weeks on end to gank players trying to farm there. Axe is closest thing to pve in IC you can get atm and even that is being polluted by abusers and trolls which really annoys me.

3:this is more in general to the way IC works but the lose of telvar on player kill is downright absurd why not make it so instead of losing that much telvar you gain a certain amount on player kill maybe 100 this probably wont work for some people but I say stuff it so sick of this happening to me and my friends and I say put an end to it or at least make a campaign where this is not the case or there is no pvp AT ALL.

I for one hate losing progress and hard earned work especially to a guy with 501 champ points I clearly don't stand a chance against and it irritates me more when they try and seek out the players worse off then them to farm just seems so scummy.
And to speak ahead of time for those people who say you don't like pvp don't play it. Why? I should be able to play a dlc without this kind of insufferable crap. I know for one Bethesda likes to appease to everyone so where is the love for the Pve community in this cause I certainly don't like pvp being shoved down my throat its different in cyrodil but this is just plain wrong ik that there is orsinium for the pve but why cant there be both pvp and pve in imperial city sewers or at least a less brutal telvar loss system.

Bolded the part that made me laugh the most.

It is a PvP area. If you don want to lose stones then group up. If you still cant succeed, then l2p, if that doesn't work then go back to PvE land where everything is scripted and happens over and over again in the same order.

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LoL, you have played in cyrodill no? Everything is scripted and happens over and over again in the same order.

AFrostWolf · December 2015

The problem is that if you're a pve player and you do end up killing the great and all powerful gankers who risks NOTHING then you aren't rewarded like they are.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/227847/idea-to-improve-risk-vs-reward-system-of-imperial-city

leepalmer95 · December 2015

Lysette wrote: »

No, actually this is not what the elderscrolls is made for - it is a roleplaying MMO - if you just want to do pvp and nothing else, you are wrong in this game.

It's not pure role play it's a mmorpg, pvp is part of mmorpg's.

If you want to roleplay go play skyrim.