Laurel Gem.

Phatalix · December 2015

Please add Laurel Gem to Crown Store. It's totally unreasonable to have to gather a group to access dungeon bosses. It won't take a team to make the armor. It.s
no wonder that mercenary motifs sell for 5k and less, you can't make the armor.

Luigi_Vampa · December 2015

It really isn't hard to get and there are already threads on this...

OmniDevil · December 2015

Phatalix wrote: »

Please add Laurel Gem to Crown Store. It's totally unreasonable to have to gather a group to access dungeon bosses. It won't take a team to make the armor. It.s
no wonder that mercenary motifs sell for 5k and less, you can't make the armor.

Step #1: Join a Guild
Step #2: Gather members from said Guild to run pledges
Step #3: Turn in Silver/Gold Keys for a chance on Mercenary Motifs (learn each one obtained)
Step #4: Continue Step #2 to obtain Laurels
Step #5: Profit!

The reason they're 5k, and dropping, is because of how easy they are to obtain and how often duplicates are received. This isn't an issue. The method for obtaining Laurels aren't an issue. Laziness, for lack of a better word, is the issue.

TERMINAT0R_XVII · December 2015

You'd be surprised at how little players would be willing to farm a vet dungeon while having the full motif learned. Hes actually got a good point. Even on xbox there are very little players willing to go that far

WillhelmBlack · December 2015

I have that many, even my lowbies are wearing full mercenary.

May as well put Engine Guardian in CS while we're at it, eh? You have to do dungeons for that.

OmniDevil · December 2015

TERMINAT0R_XVII wrote: »

You'd be surprised at how little players would be willing to farm a vet dungeon while having the full motif learned. Hes actually got a good point. Even on xbox there are very little players willing to go that far

Even if you only run pledges once a day on one toon and know a good amount of chapters (I'm missing three and I'm getting a laurel every run) you can obtain at least two a day.

Besides, farming for them is a lot different than not wanting to put in any effort to obtain them. They're easy enough to come by, even on a casual level.

WillhelmBlack · December 2015

It's Undaunted armour for the Undaunted.

eNumbra · December 2015

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

May as well put Engine Guardian in CS while we're at it, eh? You have to do dungeons for that.

Yes, a crafting stone and a monster helm are clearly equivalent.

OmniDevil · December 2015

eNumbra wrote: »

Yes, a crafting stone and a monster helm are clearly equivalent.

While they may not be equivalent, his point is, we don't need things added to the CS simply because the OP doesn't want to put in any amount of effort to obtain an item that is, otherwise, easy to obtain.

eNumbra · December 2015

OmniDevil wrote: »

eNumbra wrote: »

Yes, a crafting stone and a monster helm are clearly equivalent.

While they may not be equivalent, his point is, we don't need things added to the CS simply because the OP doesn't want to put in any amount of effort to obtain an item that is, otherwise, easy to obtain.

Then Zenimax should have made the Motif BoP as well.

OmniDevil · December 2015

eNumbra wrote: »

Then Zenimax should have made the Motif BoP as well.

How or what does that even solve? The motif/chapters can be obtained by opening Bronze/Silver/Gold Undaunted Chest and can be sold through Guild Traders, should be BoP? Why? Besides the Motifs that are purchased from the CS, no other Motifs are BoP. That solves nothing.

eNumbra · December 2015

OmniDevil wrote: »

eNumbra wrote: »

Then Zenimax should have made the Motif BoP as well.

How or what does that even solve? The motif/chapters can be obtained by opening Bronze/Silver/Gold Undaunted Chest and can be sold through Guild Traders, should be BoP? Why? Besides the Motifs that are purchased from the CS, no other Motifs are BoP. That solves nothing.

It's not about solving anything. It's about the absurdity that the Motif can be sold and traded between accounts but laurels cannot.

Malachite Shards can be traded but Malachite cannot.
Ancient Scale can be traded but Goldscale cannot.
Charcoal of Remorse can be traded.
Dwemer Scraps and Frames can be traded.

Every other motif in game can be obtained via some method that doesn't force something on the player but this is acceptable for Laurel, WHY? That's the damned point.

OmniDevil · December 2015

eNumbra wrote: »

It's not about solving anything. It's about the absurdity that the Motif can be sold and traded between accounts but laurels cannot.

Malachite Shards can be traded but Malachite cannot.
Ancient Scale can be traded but Goldscale cannot.
Charcoal of Remorse can be traded.
Dwemer Scraps and Frames can be traded.

Every other motif in game can be obtained via some method that doesn't force something on the player but this is acceptable for Laurel, WHY? That's the damned point.

So lets throw in more absurd changes just to make it even more absurd. Logic isn't your strong point.

Laurels, in a way, can be traded. Create the armor/weapon, give it to a friend. As long as they understand there's not a 100% chance to get it, they can deconstruct it for the laurel. Workarounds are a lot better than spewing inane ideas because you're upset.

eNumbra · December 2015

OmniDevil wrote: »

eNumbra wrote: »

It's not about solving anything. It's about the absurdity that the Motif can be sold and traded between accounts but laurels cannot.

Malachite Shards can be traded but Malachite cannot.
Ancient Scale can be traded but Goldscale cannot.
Charcoal of Remorse can be traded.
Dwemer Scraps and Frames can be traded.

Every other motif in game can be obtained via some method that doesn't force something on the player but this is acceptable for Laurel, WHY? That's the damned point.

So lets throw in more absurd changes just to make it even more absurd. Logic isn't your strong point.

Laurels, in a way, can be traded. Create the armor/weapon, give it to a friend. As long as they understand there's not a 100% chance to get it, they can deconstruct it for the laurel. Workarounds are a lot better than spewing inane ideas because you're upset.

Inane ideas like putting Engine Guardian in the crown store?

People who agree with you can use stupid examples to make their point but people who disagree with you are to be insulted? Good job.

I know about the workaround and I've used the workaround - but this proves that there's no reason for Laurels to be bound.

OmniDevil · December 2015

eNumbra wrote: »

People who agree with you can use stupid examples to make their point but people who disagree with you are to be insulted? Good job.

Wait, so an example is "stupid" because you deem it so? Who's insulting who now? You didn't disagree with anything except for another user's (not mine, someone else, go back and read) example and decided to throw in an absurd idea of "BoP" motifs because of no sound reason except to argue. It wasn't until I chimed in to clarify what that user was trying to portray that you decided you needed to keep throwing stones.

If you haven't already found that not everyone will agree with you and that you may not always like the counter-argument, grow a thicker skin.

Bring constructive criticism, thoughts, ideas or purposed solutions that actually make sense. Not, "well ABC Item is that way, why not XYZ?" That's not constructive.

eNumbra · December 2015

OmniDevil wrote: »

Bring constructive criticism, thoughts, ideas or purposed solutions that actually make sense. Not, "well ABC Item is that way, why not XYZ?" That's not constructive.

I'm sorry, is "Make Laurel tradable (in laurel form not crafted item form)" not a solution?

Because citing examples of similar items that are tradable in pure or unrefined form is definitely considered constructive criticism by most people.

OmniDevil wrote: »

Wait, so an example is "stupid" because you deem it so? Who's insulting who now?

You called one of my ideas inane.

inane
[ih-neyn]

Synonyms
Examples
Word Origin

adjective
1.
lacking sense, significance, or ideas; silly:
inane questions.
2.
empty; void.
noun
3.
something that is empty or void, especially the void of infinite space.

The simplified form of that definition would be "stupid". But hey, lets not let semantics get in the way of who actually started the insults.

OmniDevil · December 2015

eNumbra wrote: »

I'm sorry, is "Make Laurel tradable (in laurel form not crafted item form)" not a solution?

Because citing examples of similar items that are tradable in pure or unrefined form is definitely considered constructive criticism by most people.

You don't have to be sorry, but apology accepted?

We'll have to agree to disagree. The OP suggested putting them in the Crown Store. We disagreed. Simple as that.

eNumbra · December 2015

OmniDevil wrote: »

We'll have to agree to disagree. The OP suggested putting them in the Crown Store. We disagreed. Simple as that.

The problem is, half of what's already in the crown store is already just as, if not easier to obtain, Laurel is the exception. I'd rather see it tradable in game before its in the crown store. Zenimax is overcomplicating trade imo. There's 3 different currencies, the 6 new style stones work 3 different ways and now they're adding Monster Sets to an AP vendor to allow PvPers to skip PvE content.

But Laurels remain elusive to people who don't do dungeons.

pronkg · December 2015

eNumbra wrote: »

OmniDevil wrote: »

eNumbra wrote: »

Then Zenimax should have made the Motif BoP as well.

How or what does that even solve? The motif/chapters can be obtained by opening Bronze/Silver/Gold Undaunted Chest and can be sold through Guild Traders, should be BoP? Why? Besides the Motifs that are purchased from the CS, no other Motifs are BoP. That solves nothing.

It's not about solving anything. It's about the absurdity that the Motif can be sold and traded between accounts but laurels cannot.

Malachite Shards can be traded but Malachite cannot.
Ancient Scale can be traded but Goldscale cannot.
Charcoal of Remorse can be traded.
Dwemer Scraps and Frames can be traded.

Every other motif in game can be obtained via some method that doesn't force something on the player but this is acceptable for Laurel, WHY? That's the damned point.

Cause laurel is a plant you can't refine small pieces of plant into a whole plant that's why

eNumbra · December 2015

pronkg wrote: »

Cause laurel is a plant you can't refine small pieces of plant into a whole plant that's why

Magic.

Not to mention there is an unrefined version of Laurel (Laurel Leaf) iirc that should still be in the game files, revealed months ago in a datamine.

pronkg · December 2015

Seriously they made this

eNumbra wrote: »

pronkg wrote: »

Cause laurel is a plant you can't refine small pieces of plant into a whole plant that's why

Magic.

Not to mention there is an unrefined version of Laurel (Laurel Leaf) iirc that should still be in the game files, revealed months ago in a datamine.

Haha touché,

Anyway, serious answer from me. I don't mind whatever they do with the laurels I got loads of them and I do expect them to be in crown store soon.

Btw if you really want them, buy all motifs on your alt for what 30k maybe? And go run the dungeons scaled
To level 10'or whatever it's really easy you'll get one every run

Ourorboros · December 2015

Styles are optional. They have zero impact on game play. 'Looking cool' is a vanity issue. I compare laurels in dungeons to Akavari in PVP. I'm a Tyro (literally) in PVP, and Akavari motifs are out of my reach unless I want to spend more than I think they are worth (to me...not cool enough to drop a crap ton of gold or AP on theme). I have learned Mercenary motifs on a couple character, and have a decent supply of laurels. But I had only run a few dungeons before that style was introduced. It motivated me to expand my game, and I'm have a blast doing pledges. I'm using that experience as a stepping stone to do more PVP.

I like that some crafting mechanics have been introduced that force a player to earn them. Remember, these are vanity items. If you want them, earn them, or pay someone who has earned them. It's nice that there are some things that you can't get just by plopping down some crowns. It creates more diversity in our player population.

Palidon · December 2015

First of all the way ZOS set up how you can get the Laurel's needs to be changed. You should not have to know any pages of the Mercenary style to get the laurels on a pledge drop. Or if they want to continue to have that as a requirement then as long as one character in your account knows the entire motif or pages of the Mercenary Style then any character in your account should be able to get the laurels by doing the pledges. The character on my account who knows the entire Motif has already leveled the undaunted skill line therefore I run my other characters thru the pledges. Lets face it folks the drops in most cases for gear are a a joke. Every once and a while you might get something good but its rare. What is important here is the Mettle Passive. Also after doing the pledges um-teen times I for one have gotten sick and tired of doing them. The best case would be to have another option to get the Laurel's besides having to to the pledges.

Oh_Skrivva · December 2015

Since the pages are so easy to get. All my toons knows atleast 1 page so o can get laurel drops on them. Of course my Main crafter knows all pages. You can also just get someone to make you a item in that style and you decon it. Pretty high percentage chance with the passives of course that you get the laurel gem from Decon. But they are quite easy to obtain just from doing pledges. The race stone that I think is hard to get are ancient scale. It cost way to much ap to get 1 of the 10 needed to refine to get one stone.