There is no ETA, as they are still working out concepts on how it will be done.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I never had a problem with vet ranks, it annoys me the fact that they are getting removed because lazy people are complaining.

Whole heartily agree.

People are complaining that it takes months and months to level to VR16.

I thought that when I first did it, trying to complete each vet zone on my main, tinkering with alts, etc etc....

Then I started a character from scratch and leveled him to VR16, solo, in a little over a week. I also completed the main story line, guild quest lines and all silver/gold quests along the way. I also leveled all crafting, except provisioning, so I could gather effectively in Orsinium. I was amazed at how easy it was. I still did dailies on my main and alts as well. Oh, I also earned plenty of those CPs that we all need anyway.

Honestly, the biggest time sink was the main story line to 50. The quest dialogue, having to finish cold harbor etc.

EDIT: In fairness I should state that I took advantage of ZOS's XP scroll special on Black Freda. I was rarely without the xp buff.

I believe, in current discussion disclosed, that you'll still need to earn CP achievement to unlock attribute and skill points per character. Something along the lines of 10 CP per achievement or the same xp as a VR.

I could be wrong, but that was my cursory understanding.

alex0134781 wrote: »

People who have a life are complaining. I personally want to have 8 vet 16 characters but having a job and a family to take care of I don't have 10 hours a day to devote to a game. That's the main problem. @leepalmer95

So your argument against vet ranks boils down to "I have a life". That is disrespectful and dismissive of other players. Everybody has a life outside of the game. Many of us have families, jobs, mortgages and responsibilities. I have all of those, and multiple v16 toons. And I couldn't even imagine having time to play 10 hours per day.

You'll always be "behind" players that take the game more seriously than you do. This will still be true when vet ranks are removed, it will just have a different structure. You can't realistically expect a game to make you equal to a player that dedicates more time and effort than you do.

TequilaFire wrote: »

True, but then there is also the acquisition of all those mats and gear to outfit all those alts.
MMO's are meant for long term play you don't have to get there in a month or even a year.

Yep, that's very true.

I don't mind the VR levels because I am always grinding for Champion Points anyway, so the ranks are sort of a side effect of gaining champion experience. It will be nice, however, to get ruby equipment (or whatever is the top mats when the VRs are removed) for decon with my lower VRs will be nice.

Sevalaricgirl

I can understand that, though there is a story in each faction that you're kinda going through. One is to help that king guy that can't hardly help himself without you going into his dreams, but not before uncovering nefarious plague activities throughout his realm. The other is full of plotting ne'er do well noble and non nobles tying to take power etc through their known or unkown cooperation with nefarious characters.

You're constantly reminded or let known of your exploits in the story lines as you walk through the cities. "I heard you did something to the hound" "I heard you helped some queeny person" "I heard you helped king whatshisbeard".... Some were news to me, but realized them on the 2nd or 3rd time through.

It could be a little more tied together and I wish Molag Bal wouldn't threaten me after I've ruined his plans...

I wish I could find the forum post, but I swear one of ZEN's people said December '16 as their current target date, or last quarter of '16.

Of course this could just be a figment of my imagination. Like the nightmare I had attempting to gather mats from road kill...while dodge rolling traffic.

I have a life. I also have 6 characters, all vet ranked with 3 of them VR16. I play a few hours each evening and I have that time because I do not watch TV. I have played since launch and still subscribe. The removal of vet ranks makes me nervous for the simple reason that I do not see the point. I fail to see the difference of whether the level ceiling is called 66 or VR16. My question centers on how will armor, weapon, and crafting skills and mats will be handled. For example: I worked, saved and farmed hard in order to acquire VR16 gold set armor and weapons. When vet ranks are eliminated how will high level gear be handled?

Wow, just stop all the whining. You can do level 1 to VR16 in two weeks. Just avoid all quests except gold and silver at VR levels (and do main quest line only level 50 and below), and grind aoe spots. It just ain't that hard if you skip the 5 billion time-wasting quests.

Whispers.....*never*

Komma wrote: »

You guys complaining about vr lvls going away are the ones who need to wake up. No matter how we got to this point, vr levels are going away. It's going to happen. It is a good thing. Having 2 separate max lvl of progression makes no since.

This way you still have to lvl to 50 and learn the class. Less likely for people to feel the need to grind to 50. Can lvl ALL your characters at once through the CP system. Getting tired of playing one character then switch to the other and continue to lvl ALL your characters at once.

You no longer have to do the silver/gold if you choose not to. With the catch up mechanic, no one will be behind for long. Its how it is going to be whether you like it or not. Play the game or grind. I would rather play the game. You can do what you want.

Why isn't grinding part of the game, it just annoys me that people who wanted to make alts had to grind/lvl etc... through vet ranks and now because people are too lazy to bother all the hard work people who have multiple characters put into them is worth nothing, You want a v16 through questing sure your choice it still takes effort so does grinding, do people thing leveling quickly is fun? No but people did it anyway because they wanted a v16 quickly.

Now people who didn't bother putting the time and effort in are going to get the same reward as people who did.

It was always planned to remove VR and leave the char progression to the CP system. We knew this already back in march or so. It's not something they decided recently. It's something that's just taking a lot of time. There is no reason to complain about it now.