Dawn Breaker 18,633

GreenSoup2HoT · December 2015

@Forestd16b14_ESO

I feel you dude but hear me out.

I still think this skill line was made for PVE and not designed well enough for PVP balance.

What is so great about Vampire's and Werewolf's that warrant's 17% EXTRA weapon damage against them (flawless db + fg passive)?
What is so great about Vampire's and Werewolf's that warrant's 60% extra damage from dawnbreaker?

Extra regen? A little bit of damage mitigation? Stealth speed?

Wrobel has stated many time's he would rather buff then nerf. So in my opinion, if fighter's guild abilities are left the way they are (except camouflage hunter and how broken it is), Vampire's and Werewolf's need a little something. Just look at the number's and how easy it is to 1-2 shot 2 skill line's into the ground.

If you will not except nerf's, would you except some sort of buff?

Are vampire's and werewolf's overpowered to everyone in cryodill or something?

Or is it the damage meta that has twisted everyone's view.

It's not that i'm against the damage fight's guild abilities do. It's how easy it is for player's to use these abilities and not be punished using them against player's who are not vampire or werewolf.

Also in my opinion, vampire and werewolf's just don't have enough incentive to remain as one or another because of this damage.

Werewolf's actually get 16% or so weapon damage while transformed. It's only when transformed when they may come across issue's. Once camo hunter is fixed, i think they will be fine. Vampire's have it easy compared to Werewolf's against FG skill's, being a Werewolf's like holding a sign that read's.. "hit me with dawnbreaker and lethal arrow".

leepalmer95 · December 2015

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

@GreenSoup2HoT Yes to FD only granting that extra weapon damage to vampires just to decreases the DPS and tank gap in PvP. But no to everything else. Just no period. This vampire QQ about FG skills is just bad and you should feel bad. You're basically asking a giant nerf to a skill line that was designed since all the way back in alpha stage of the game to deal extra damage to daedra and undead which again for the 100th time includes vampires.

This is not directed to you personally but all the vampires who are QQ about this. I am sorry but deal with it. You think every body likes how alot of players are still have those melt builds think players love WB spam think players love how HA is nearly useless in PvP ? No.

Now I can't say Dawnbreaker won't be changed in the future but all this crying about it will lead to it getting over nerfed just like Dragon Knights and if that happens well pretty sure every one will start vampire OP threads again and get your kin nerfed to Oblivion and back again.

It was clearly not intended for vamps to be 1 shot in pvp, it needs fixing. What would you do when every sorc uses the hard counter to vamps, not even to specifically counter vamps just because it's a strong ult.

Sithisvoid · December 2015

I think OP has made too many of these threads there needs to be a limit

UltimaJoe777 · December 2015

Sithisvoid wrote: »

I think OP has made too many of these threads there needs to be a limit

He was promised cookies by the dark side... He is persistent enough to pursue said cookies 'til the very end.

Jura23 · December 2015

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

I hate how people is so comfortable when having op skills. Just because you csn hit vampires for 20k doesn't mean it's right . Stop thinking about yourselves, there's a dude on the other side of the screen that's trying to have some fun and roleplaying a vampire but can't because there are so many op counters to it. There are almost no vampires left I havent seen bats in weeks.

I try to never think about ppl on the other side. If I did, I would probably feel pretty bad, which I don't want.

Mettaricana · December 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

It is a bit ridiculous that vamps can be 1 hit with such a skill, 60% more dmg is quite a lot.

Maybe reduce it to 25%? or such, most tooltips are at 10k+ easy, some are even at 12k, 60% extra then add the dot....

It's no wonder vamps are getting rekt this + dawnbreak is likely why i haven't been batswarmed in a while.

The initial hit sucks the dot is what gets ya unless you can batswarm through it.

Fellenore_Ewalion · December 2015

I thought it's damage bonus on monsters should be increased to 100%.

It's not a skill. It's an ultimate. You can't 2 shot anyone with it.

Monster guys: please check out your passives and ultis and third skill bars. Thanks.
Also, even as a freaking monster, you can level your fighters guild skill line, which I find "funny". Be a monster or be a monster hunter, that's my philosophy.

Please not that that's the only way to counter the massing monsters. If we don't want this game to turn into a twilight series with bored virgins, bats and wolfies, some weapon should remain at the hand of those who slay the infected.

Mettaricana · December 2015

Fellenore_Ewalion wrote: »

I thought it's damage bonus on monsters should be increased to 100%.

It's not a skill. It's an ultimate. You can't 2 shot anyone with it.

Monster guys: please check out your passives and ultis and third skill bars. Thanks.
Also, even as a freaking monster, you can level your fighters guild skill line, which I find "funny". Be a monster or be a monster hunter, that's my philosophy.

Please not that that's the only way to counter the massing monsters. If we don't want this game to turn into a twilight series with bored virgins, bats and wolfies, some weapon should remain at the hand of those who slay the infected.

Actually it was twilight back in early pc days it was elder vampire online. Everyone was a vampire they stacked the old vampire stage that reduced ult cost along with old ult gen system and bastion of the dragon. Which = batswarm and poison mist that generates batswarm ult and spam for infinite ultimate vampires.

Right now fighters guild needs to remain strong so we dont end up with elder vamps online breaking dawn unlimited.

daswahnsinn · December 2015

PVP is a kill or be killed zone. You have a few options to maximize your odds. If you go for high DPS then chances are you'll need some form of heals to stay alive. Now you can go for a good amount of damage output and have some survivability, ie adding health traited gear or something with added armor. Now the purpose of the high DPS builds is to gank or be the main DD is a group. If you're going solo in Cyrodiil and you're that high DPS player then you have to kill before being killed.

MrDerrikk · December 2015

Just make it do 100% more damage to Daedra and Undead instead of 60%, and reduce the damage done to everyone else by 50% or so. This way, there is a proper counter for Vamps and WW, however it comes at a cost to the user of not being strong against others. This should create a balancing effect, where when there are a lot of Vamps people will slot Dawnbreaker, and when there's not people will slot something else. Problem solved.

This reminds me a lot of the whole "Cloak OP" argument...

Yuke · December 2015

Yeah sure, vamp has only negatives and no postives. Every1 out there is a roleplayer. Cmon...

Akinos · December 2015

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

@GreenSoup2HoT Yes to FD only granting that extra weapon damage to vampires just to decreases the DPS and tank gap in PvP. But no to everything else. Just no period. This vampire QQ about FG skills is just bad and you should feel bad. You're basically asking a giant nerf to a skill line that was designed since all the way back in alpha stage of the game to deal extra damage to daedra and undead which again for the 100th time includes vampires.

This is not directed to you personally but all the vampires who are QQ about this. I am sorry but deal with it. You think every body likes how alot of players are still have those melt builds think players love WB spam think players love how HA is nearly useless in PvP ? No.

Now I can't say Dawnbreaker won't be changed in the future but all this crying about it will lead to it getting over nerfed just like Dragon Knights and if that happens well pretty sure every one will start vampire OP threads again and get your kin nerfed to Oblivion and back again.

LOL. You're bad and you should feel bad if you believe vampires deserve to get 1 shot just because they are vampires. Nobody is crying, vampires just want balanced gameplay and a fair chance at defending themselves.

All these people defending the ability to kill another player in a single stroke...smh. I can tell who enjoys a challenge and who wants everything to be easy and handed to them on a silver platter.

Alucardo · December 2015

I hate Ice Comet more than Dawnbreaker. DB does laughable damage on me for some reason.

Flameheart · December 2015

Facemelting a Devouring Swarm -> Priceless

Derra · December 2015

Vampblade complaining about dawnbreaker? Please be a ganker that would make it even better.

rez0055 · December 2015

Waseem wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

There are almost no vampires left I havent seen bats in weeks.

thats a lie
thats a big lie

indeed

In Azura PC/EU there are loads of Vampires, and I say loads!

Every time I play in groups, there are Vampires.

In every Zerg I fight, there are Vampires. I feel their Batswarm everytime. And whenever they got the chance they'll use it massivly! *grmbl*

One of the leaders of the guild PVP group is a Vampire, and a lot of guildies are in fact Vampires.

So are there little to none Vampires left?

No, oh hell no.

Jura23 · December 2015

Alucardo wrote: »

I hate Ice Comet more than Dawnbreaker. DB does laughable damage on me for some reason.

Reflecting comet is one of the most cool things tho.

WillhelmBlack · December 2015

Ah that's nothing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REgSvAjeJeo

TequilaFire · December 2015

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

I hate how people is so comfortable when having op skills. Just because you csn hit vampires for 20k doesn't mean it's right . Stop thinking about yourselves, there's a dude on the other side of the screen that's trying to have some fun and roleplaying a vampire but can't because there are so many op counters to it. There are almost no vampires left I havent seen bats in weeks.

Made me chuckle!
Yeah there is a dude on the other side of the screen that wants to kill me first. lol

Fellenore_Ewalion · December 2015

Guys... since the FG skill line is accessible for every monster gamers, please don't say that it's ulti should be weakened. You can get it, too.

If vamps or wolfies couldn't be seriously damaged with dawnbreaker, what is the point of not being a monster?

And well, FG skill line is laughable comparing to WW.

Eiagra · December 2015

"If someone complains that something is wrong, they are probably right.
If someone explains how to make it right, they are probably wrong."

I forget where I read or heard that, but lately it's all that passes through my head when I read about skill nerfs and the like.

Also, the meta for favored skills and such shifts around a lot with MMOs; maybe get creative and figure out a countermove? I dunno. I've been burst-blasted with all sorts of things, but I'm not calling for nerfs. I just want to learn the mechanics behind that combination so I can study it.

Akinos · December 2015

Eiagra wrote: »

"If someone complains that something is wrong, they are probably right.
If someone explains how to make it right, they are probably wrong."

I forget where I read or heard that, but lately it's all that passes through my head when I read about skill nerfs and the like.

Also, the meta for favored skills and such shifts around a lot with MMOs; maybe get creative and figure out a countermove? I dunno. I've been burst-blasted with all sorts of things, but I'm not calling for nerfs. I just want to learn the mechanics behind that combination so I can study it.

Countermove? You mean besides not being a vamp? Oh well you can still get 1 shot without being vamp. Radiant Magelight? That skill is damn near worthless. When you "figure out a countermove" to being 1 shot from 50 meters away by a random ganker in stealth, please let me know.

toxikh.earth89neb18_ESO · December 2015

Jura23 wrote: »

Nerf everybody's dawnbreaker except mine.

nerf? im just keeping it for the extra weapon damage

toxikh.earth89neb18_ESO · December 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

It is a bit ridiculous that vamps can be 1 hit with such a skill, 60% more dmg is quite a lot.

Maybe reduce it to 25%? or such, most tooltips are at 10k+ easy, some are even at 12k, 60% extra then add the dot....

It's no wonder vamps are getting rekt this + dawnbreak is likely why i haven't been batswarmed in a while.

than lets all be vamps

Sav72 · December 2015

Sithisvoid wrote: »

I think OP has made too many of these threads there needs to be a limit

I will stop, when I see a changes, in my Vamp abilities, so deal with it, or do not bother to read my posts.

And NO! I will not cure my Vamp. I do not run away from problems, I solve them.

Simple fix, increase feed timers instead of a lousy 30mins per stage. Food drink timers are 2hours plus!

Now, the choice is yours:
You want to take less damage form negative effects and do normal damage, stay stage 1.

You want to take more damage from negative effects but do more damage, stay stage 4. Which will give you stalker, with other benefits.

Common Sense...
I have benefits and negative effects, and you can not say this is overpowering vamps.

The more I lust to feed, the stronger I get, but my defenses are weaker.

I am not even going to start on the vamp skill lines....which are terrible compared to other skills.

You want to kill the UNDEAD!!! Go ahead..

But there will be Consequences!

Happy Holidays to all!

jim_mau · December 2015

OMG a skill line working as intended? A counter to Batswarm? NOOOOOOOO

Nestor · December 2015

[quote="SemiD4rkness;2540555"there's a dude on the other side of the screen that's trying to have some fun and roleplaying a vampire but can't because there are so many op counters to it. There are almost no vampires left I havent seen bats in weeks. [/quote]

That may be true in some of the cases, but mostly, people went Vamp so they could be super powerful. Not long ago, it was Bat Swarm that was the bane of PvP.

Preyfar · December 2015

My biggest issue with Dawnbreaker is it's still possible to animation cancel it so you never see the Ultimate drop. All you see on your screen is a wrecking blow, but then you see on your death screen..

Light Attack, Dawnbreaker, Bash, Wrecking Blow... but nothing else animated or showed up. When that happens, you can take 20-25K damage instantly and never see what hit you.

Joy_Division · December 2015

Vampire since forever, Dawnbreaker is not imbalanced and not nearly as big an issue as the OP and others have made it out to be.

Being vamp is real power and the fighter's guild is necessary to ensure "human" isn't a gimp choice.

Sav72 · December 2015

Dont mind th

jim_mau wrote: »

OMG a skill line working as intended? A counter to Batswarm? NOOOOOOOO

Go read a book or something...just keep your thoughts to yourself.

Have a nice day.