Enodoc wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Is this a question that consider the NPC as Vet to define the dungeon as a vet dungeon
Or
Are you talking about the actual vet dungeons which are different than normal dungeons also scaled at Vr16?

Yeah I was wondering the same. Veteran dungeons should only be available after you hit 50, not at Lvl 12, so if they are, that must be a bug. But that's not the same thing as a Normal dungeon with vet-rank mobs in it.

Agreed, I think he is stating that he doesn't like the scaling to V16 in normal mode. I think it's needed and glad it is there, and it works very well for the most part.

I understand what the OP is saying, and I do agree.

I tried the group finder after the update, and I was around level 48 at the time. I matched with a few lower levels. We all got destroyed and finally gave up. Even with the battle leveling buff, we sucked. Why? maybe lack of experience, not enough skills unlocked, or just totally sucked at fighting.

I see allot of people complaining about soul gems, my only suggestion is just go get some grand soul gems, problem solved. This should not be an issue, you just got to take them with you when you are doing dungeons. You can easily fill empty grand soul gems in PvP, or just ask some higher rank player to fill them for you.

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

I don't really understand why anyone ever thought scaling a new player up to match vet levels was a good idea. In most cases they simply lack the knowledge of game play mechanics and skill synergies to be effective at that level. Scaling the vet players down to the minimum level of the party members makes much more sense, and if programmed correctly wouldn't effect the higher level players rewards at the end in any way shape or form. Other games do this with immense success and it is beneficial to everyone involved in it.

It's really a simple reason why they did it, it's a quality of life issue for lower level players. They can actually group now and ZOS did an excellent job with the implementation. I haven't had any issues at all with the scaling. It can make my healing more challenging at times, but it's easily doable.

Artjuh90 wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

IMO, it's great that the low level characters can queue for normal dungeons, and I didn't know someone as low as 12 could queue for Vet mode. Yes, in normal mode they scale to v16, but I am fine with that. It allows low level characters to find groups easily and it's not really hurting other players at all. In fact, I like the challenge it presents at times.

yes im fine doing normal dungeons with them that is not my problem, but doing vet dungeons with non-vet chars doesn't work and doesn't make sense

Do you mean scaled Normal dungeons to v16 ? I think there is some misunderstanding or communication here. ZOS did make it confusing using the term VET MODE for the HARD mode of dungeons. Right now, a level 12 cannot do a vet dungeon. They can only do a Normal dungeon but it scales to v16.

So you really don't like the scaling to v16 is what you mean right?

Enodoc wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Is this a question that consider the NPC as Vet to define the dungeon as a vet dungeon
Or
Are you talking about the actual vet dungeons which are different than normal dungeons also scaled at Vr16?

Yeah I was wondering the same. Veteran dungeons should only be available after you hit 50, not at Lvl 12, so if they are, that must be a bug. But that's not the same thing as a Normal dungeon with vet-rank mobs in it.

I believe people are doing normal dungeons and not realize that they have to select the vet type first and then select the vet dungeon. The bug may exist where they aren't in the vet filter prior to selecting the vet dungeon selector next so they end up in a Vet dungeon by the selection but are in the normal queue by selection

I'm 100% sure that if you're not Vet 1 or greater you cannot queue for any Vet dungeons on Xbox one soloso I'm honestly tempted to let everyone know that they aren't doing vet dungeons. It's actually a normal dungeon but I haven't tested this on PC

Maybe people that are Vets are pre-grouped with non-vets but that is very unlikely as its blocked out for non-vets so it shouldn't be available.

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Isn't this system in place so that new players can play with their friends?

Yes but that isn't the way its being assumed or said in this post. I sense a lot of confusion on what is actually occurring.

You cannot do a Vet dungeon unless you are at Vet 1 or higher.

You can do a dungeon where people are Vet 16 but that's not a vet dungeon.

So people seem to assume that they are doing VET dungeons but they aren't. Also Vet dungeons are different and have different bosses or more bosses with other mechanics required compared to a regular dungeon.
Both will show as VR16 when using the grouping tools

Its really another reason why Vet levels need to be removed ASAP

Current problem? Those players just want to dungeon but cant. They get paired with vets and get kicked out of the group. This has effectivly shunned them from dungeons unless someone with a brain has the leader and doesn't kick out people. More importantly was having just the same issue on my Vet 9 healer getting paired with Vet 16s. (Dont ask me) but Every time i qued i got stuck in the same group with the same 2 guys. They would kick me out every time i qued because i wasnt vet 16. I literally qued atleast 30 times and kept getting them. It was slightly funny at the moment and we had a laugh but ofc still get kicked. ( i get it no one else was queing for dungeons) But pretty much i was locked out from doing dungeons because i kept getting these guys. Now thats not so bad because its the same 2 guys so i get it. But imagine same situation but a different group every time . Thats what the low levels are dealing with.

Long story short the dungeon que system is still very broken in many aspects.

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

...Since when can non-vets get into veteran dungeons? I've never experienced this.

Thats because this thread is from december 2015.