Why is this level 14 hitting 11k wb?

leepalmer95 · December 2015

So what happened to battle leveling? xD

Egonieser · December 2015

Working as intended™

Artjuh90 · December 2015

battle leveleD?
blue gear with staminia and food?

Preyfar · December 2015

Battle Leveling works properly now. It takes into account what stats you've put your points into, as well as the quality of your weapons. The lower the level a character the bigger a buff they get through Battle Leveling (to make them more competitive since they lack other passives and skills).

MaxwellC · December 2015

battle leveled is ZoS way of pumping noobs with experimental steroids labeled "Dafuqizbalance?"

leepalmer95 · December 2015

Preyfar wrote: »

Battle Leveling works properly now. It takes into account what stats you've put your points into, as well as the quality of your weapons. The lower the level a character the bigger a buff they get through Battle Leveling (to make them more competitive since they lack other passives and skills).

and properly is a v16 spamming 11k wb's? oh wait...

Seriously i was all for lower levels being able to compete but theres a different between competing and 2 shooting a v16 xD

Molag_Crow · December 2015

I know right, and what's even more shocking is that people actually believe it's "working as intended"... lol.

Just nerf WB already and give DK's a stamina morph of their whip.

Artjuh90 · December 2015

CrowsDescend wrote: »

I know right, and what's even more shocking is that people actually believe it's "working as intended"... lol.

Just nerf WB already and give DK's a stamina morph of their whip.

WB isn't that op. sorc have a ranged WB called crystal frags

leepalmer95 · December 2015

CrowsDescend wrote: »

I know right, and what's even more shocking is that people actually believe it's "working as intended"... lol.

Just nerf WB already and give DK's a stamina morph of their whip.

It's weird i took a 2 month break roughly 1-2 weeks after IC came out, wasn't the 50% dmg reduction mean't to increase the ttk?

So why is it i still get 1-2 shot from stealth. Camo hunter still wrecks vamps to the point their unplayable. People can kill the exact same speed or even faster in some cases than in 1.6.

So Zos 'blanket nerf' didn't work it seems and instead of tweaking individual skills they used a temp method.

Artjuh90 · December 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

I know right, and what's even more shocking is that people actually believe it's "working as intended"... lol.

Just nerf WB already and give DK's a stamina morph of their whip.

It's weird i took a 2 month break roughly 1-2 weeks after IC came out, wasn't the 50% dmg reduction mean't to increase the ttk?

So why is it i still get 1-2 shot from stealth. Camo hunter still wrecks vamps to the point their unplayable. People can kill the exact same speed or even faster in some cases than in 1.6.

So Zos 'blanket nerf' didn't work it seems and instead of tweaking individual skills they used a temp method.

2 reasons for that. new way stronger gear comming with IC.
removal of softcaps which led to the full stam and magicka builds that weren't viable before

leepalmer95 · December 2015

Artjuh90 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

I know right, and what's even more shocking is that people actually believe it's "working as intended"... lol.

Just nerf WB already and give DK's a stamina morph of their whip.

It's weird i took a 2 month break roughly 1-2 weeks after IC came out, wasn't the 50% dmg reduction mean't to increase the ttk?

So why is it i still get 1-2 shot from stealth. Camo hunter still wrecks vamps to the point their unplayable. People can kill the exact same speed or even faster in some cases than in 1.6.

So Zos 'blanket nerf' didn't work it seems and instead of tweaking individual skills they used a temp method.

2 reasons for that. new way stronger gear comming with IC.
removal of softcaps which led to the full stam and magicka builds that weren't viable before

Couldn't they of tweaked some skills, i doubt a 53+ meter ranged skill was mean't to constituently do 13k+ damage.

laksikus · December 2015

nerf all level 14s

SemiD4rkness · December 2015

Battle level is just stupid right now. Zos has 0 idea about balance in any regard. Fighters guild skills make vampires UNPLAYABLE. Sorcerers being a problem in pvp? New shieldbreaker set. Templars suck at pvp? Nerf them some more. Lvl 10 wants to pvp? Make him equally powerfull as a vr16 who spent 100+ hours and 500k+ gold on his character.

Lenikus · December 2015

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Battle level is just stupid right now. Zos has 0 idea about balance in any regard. Fighters guild skills make vampires UNPLAYABLE. Sorcerers being a problem in pvp? New shieldbreaker set. Templars suck at pvp? Nerf them some more. Lvl 10 wants to pvp? Make him equally powerfull as a vr16 who spent 100+ hours and 500k+ gold on his character.

I don't follow.
.... what's wrong with that ?

@ Post:
And i don't get how people say
"OmG s0rK/T3nTleR iZ n3RfD AF" ... *** if anything any group i've seen prioritizes those 2 when killing people because those are the ones that still cause more trouble. They are not, in any way, 'underpowered'.

leepalmer95 · December 2015

Lenikus wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Battle level is just stupid right now. Zos has 0 idea about balance in any regard. Fighters guild skills make vampires UNPLAYABLE. Sorcerers being a problem in pvp? New shieldbreaker set. Templars suck at pvp? Nerf them some more. Lvl 10 wants to pvp? Make him equally powerfull as a vr16 who spent 100+ hours and 500k+ gold on his character.

I don't follow.
.... what's wrong with that ?

@ Post:
And i don't get how people say
"OmG s0rK/T3nTleR iZ n3RfD AF" ... *** if anything any group i've seen prioritizes those 2 when killing people because those are the ones that still cause more trouble. They are not, in any way, 'underpowered'.

You mean whats wrong with a lvl 14 being as strong as a v16 everything.

I understand that making low level competitive is the right move, competitive doesn't mean equally powerful.

Whats this lvl 14 going to think when he's level 30+ and his stats has dropped quite a lot and even if he craftes gear and such he will still be a lot weaker than when he was 14.

If a lvl14 has the same dmg output and such as a v16 whats the point?

UltimaJoe777 · December 2015

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

battle leveled is ZoS way of pumping noobs with experimental steroids labeled "Dafuqizbalance?"

Aside from the last bit what you say is not inaccurate. Players with Vet Rank mains using CPs and good gear on low-level alts can take advantage of the Battle Level buffs. However, they still have limitations...

Waseem · December 2015

its just level 10 players not supposed to play at veteran campaigns, and when talking about low level players, the system cant recognize if you are experienced of not, its made to help new players, but abused by pro players.. all to win and dominate ^^

UltimaJoe777 · December 2015

Waseem wrote: »

its just level 10 players not supposed to play at veteran campaigns, and when talking about low level players, the system cant recognize if you are experienced of not, its made to help new players, but abused by pro players.. all to win and dominate ^^

Well the thing about that is ESO has another name... The Elder Scrolls Online: Exploitation Unlimited. Sometimes it's even called The Exploited Scrolls Online: Abuse Unlimited!

Lenikus · December 2015

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Waseem wrote: »

its just level 10 players not supposed to play at veteran campaigns, and when talking about low level players, the system cant recognize if you are experienced of not, its made to help new players, but abused by pro players.. all to win and dominate ^^

Well the thing about that is ESO has another name... The Elder Scrolls Online: Exploitation Unlimited. Sometimes it's even called The Exploited Scrolls Online: Abuse Unlimited!

That's what i meant in my first one ^

.... Let us have alts with blue gear pwny' nubs who can't counter a 2keyspamming strategy

Oliumzen · December 2015

if you're getting beat by a lvl 14 wrecking blowing you its not because WB is over powered. It's because you lack the skill. With battle leveling it makes players with the most skill the better player. Not to mention the noobs with a battle leveled level 10 don't have the gear or the champion points that you have.

Toc de Malsvi · December 2015

Artjuh90 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

I know right, and what's even more shocking is that people actually believe it's "working as intended"... lol.

Just nerf WB already and give DK's a stamina morph of their whip.

It's weird i took a 2 month break roughly 1-2 weeks after IC came out, wasn't the 50% dmg reduction mean't to increase the ttk?

So why is it i still get 1-2 shot from stealth. Camo hunter still wrecks vamps to the point their unplayable. People can kill the exact same speed or even faster in some cases than in 1.6.

So Zos 'blanket nerf' didn't work it seems and instead of tweaking individual skills they used a temp method.

2 reasons for that. new way stronger gear comming with IC.
removal of softcaps which led to the full stam and magicka builds that weren't viable before

Softcaps were removed pre IC so that doesn't account for current problems. I agree that the huge gear jump for v16 gold gear and the massive boost from battle leveling has made the 50% reductions irrelevant.

Toc de Malsvi · December 2015

Oliumzen wrote: »

if you're getting beat by a lvl 14 wrecking blowing you its not because WB is over powered. It's because you lack the skill. With battle leveling it makes players with the most skill the better player. Not to mention the noobs with a battle leveled level 10 don't have the gear or the champion points that you have.

Not exactly, if someone had played since PC and had 501 CP, they could make a level 10 with 501 CP that was wearing full sets of crafted gear at purple/gold levels. This would make them extremely strong for PVP content without having to spend the time to level up. This becomes even more interesting when you consider that some of the best sets for certain builds don't drop at v16, meaning you could theoretically make possible extremely powerful builds that you cannot do at v16.

Toc de Malsvi · December 2015

Personally I can tell you that I think it is fine for the most part. The worst level gaps are v15 when battle leveling ceases and early v16 when you don't have the gear. Otherwise virtually everyone you see in PVP could potentially be a very strong or weak player, not just simply "oh that guys v16 better avoid him". A v16 will most likely have all the passives unlocked and that would be the one real significant advantage, but by early vet levels with a little planning you can have all the passives you need for whatever build you want unlocked.

Toc de Malsvi · December 2015

Also to add to this pre IC my v14 stam DK bow build destroyed most of the players I encountered and I felt fairly invincible without worrying about always being in stealth. Post IC initially was business as usual but as time dragged on I began to notice I was struggling consistently until I filled out my top level gear. Now 1v1 its 50-50, opening from stealth much closer to 80-20, and 1v2 its 30-70. I die a heck of a lot more than I used to.

Things have changed a lot since then, first of all people are starting to play a lot smarter and not leave themselves open for free kills by straggling or isolating themselves. Secondly the Gankiest class in the game NB was buffed to have one of the strongest opening bursts while keeping really strong sustain and powerful CC. Meaning the days of open combat between small groups are virtually dead for anything but the top 5% of builds. AOE caps, and AOE drop off protected zergs and encouraged players who were not NB's to group up and zerg more.

I think they need to balance out the classes better, and I think they need to get rid of AOE caps/drop off in PVP both of which they have said they are working on. As for the battle leveling though I think its working fine, at least for my idea of pvp. I play pvp mostly on my v16 but I do not believe being v16 should make you inherently stronger or better for PVP, for PVE sure but not for PVP. Especially when you consider drawing in new players, it takes quite a long time for most players to reach v16 much less gear themselves up, treating them as second class citizens the whole way up will not encourage new players to play.

While the idea of "paying your dues" so to speak, works well for encouraging achievement and guild/group tiers it does not work well for recruiting new players. If you have put the time in to level a character to v16 you should inherently have learned more about the game than a new player and be able to functionally use more of your assets(passives, CP, game knowledge) to perform better. If someone who has less assets(passives, cp, knowledge) and less experience out performs you then kudos to them.

HaldaAinur · December 2015

Tbh I was somewhat surprised when in a lvl DK 10-15 vs lvl 30 NB battle that it only takes one or two wrecking blows, and bam RIP. It is just a litttllleeee overpowered. They don't even have to spam it for it to have effect, just one or two hits annd you're dead. Instantly.

Now I'm not screaming 'omg got killed by a low level- NERF IT ALL', before someone inevitably jumps in and says 'L2P noob, lel' but I'm just saying there have been a few scenarios that just didn't seem to quite add up balance wise...ah, good ol' PvP.

Cinbri · December 2015

I more concerned what lvl14 doing in vr campaign, while non-vr is campaign that every vr could dream of for now.

Alucardo · December 2015

Cinbri wrote: »

I more concerned what lvl14 doing in vr campaign, while non-vr is campaign that every vr could dream of for now.

Non-vet campaigns aren't too different from vet campaigns any more. There's just less ice comets.

FortheloveofKrist · December 2015

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Personally I can tell you that I think it is fine for the most part. The worst level gaps are v15 when battle leveling ceases and early v16 when you don't have the gear. Otherwise virtually everyone you see in PVP could potentially be a very strong or weak player, not just simply "oh that guys v16 better avoid him". A v16 will most likely have all the passives unlocked and that would be the one real significant advantage, but by early vet levels with a little planning you can have all the passives you need for whatever build you want unlocked.

I don't understand this. My v16 (hit my first one a few days ago) still "battle levels" in Wrothgar and Cyrodiil, but my base stats are better than the battle leveling. Why would that happen? I want my original stats now that I'm v16.

Lexxypwns · December 2015

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Battle level is just stupid right now. Zos has 0 idea about balance in any regard. Fighters guild skills make vampires UNPLAYABLE. Sorcerers being a problem in pvp? New shieldbreaker set. Templars suck at pvp? Nerf them some more. Lvl 10 wants to pvp? Make him equally powerfull as a vr16 who spent 100+ hours and 500k+ gold on his character.

this isn't accurate, I have 5 v16 characters that are all geared and each is significantly stronger than any of my battle leveled characters in purple gear with gold weapons.

There are a few specific builds out there that push out equal numbers to a fully geared v16, such as v10 or 12 sorc in ON LEVEL necropotence 4 piece with 3 meritorious service will have a larger magika pool in pvp than a v16, but will be lacking some of the spell damage and it only lasts for 1 vet rank/level before they start to get diminishing stats, it actually costs way more to gear up an alt to constantly keep him at that "OP" level than to gear a v16 character

robkrush · December 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

So what happened to battle leveling? xD

Was your armor destroyed from a delv? Were you on your DK? That's crazy to get hit for 11k after your armor and resists.

Hope499 · December 2015

There are such worse things than WB out there...