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Will we ever be able to crit a sorcerers shields?
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Before anyone shoots me, this is just a question for the developers that me and alot of others are curious about, I have nothing against sorcs and Im not asking to nerf them.
I've wondered this since the idea was suggested. Will it happen and if so when?
I've wondered this since the idea was suggested. Will it happen and if so when?
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Forestd16b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Saddly no cause QQ and all that. Just use shield breaker on those pesky shield spammers. Only way to actually kill them.3 -
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✭✭✭IXxIronWolfxXI wrote: »Before anyone shoots me, this is just a question for the developers that me and alot of others are curious about, I have nothing against sorcs and Im not asking to nerf them.
I've wondered this since the idea was suggested. Will it happen and if so when?
I think you're jumping the gun here lol the fact that you cannot crit Damage Shields has been a topic of complaint since the day it was made so, assuming it hasn't been since Day 1 lol so no one is going to shoot you for it, unless they just plain want to.Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Well it's possible to take them down now, though it is annoying,
I don't think people realise that being allowed to crit them will make them like paper. Most sorc hardened wards can only take 2-3 hits from something like a wb now. If they could crit....
Plus those high crit stam blade would slaughter sorc's then.PS4 EU DC
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✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Well it's possible to take them down now, though it is annoying,
I don't think people realise that being allowed to crit them will make them like paper. Most sorc hardened wards can only take 2-3 hits from something like a wb now. If they could crit....
Plus those high crit stam blade would slaughter sorc's then.
they are normally down to netxt to nothing with one attack round of LA+dmgability or wb+HA. with them being crittable with them being crittable they would have no purpose left as you would allways hit the healthpool with any attackround with the common 50++ % crit values.spelling and grammar errors are free to be abused
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✭It makes sense what RPG has barriers without at least one weak point? Perhaps Shields like ward ally could have an effect like the shield takes 50% less damage from critical strikes.PS4 NA
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✭✭✭✭✭RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »It makes sense what RPG has barriers without at least one weak point? Perhaps Shields like ward ally could have an effect like the shield takes 50% less damage from critical strikes.
Shield breaker.
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✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Well it's possible to take them down now, though it is annoying,
I don't think people realise that being allowed to crit them will make them like paper. Most sorc hardened wards can only take 2-3 hits from something like a wb now. If they could crit....
Plus those high crit stam blade would slaughter sorc's then.
So an instant cast shield can "only" take 2-3 hits from an ability with a cast time, same 2-3 hits that would outright kill almost everyone else. Yup, seems balanced.
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✭leepalmer95 wrote: »RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »It makes sense what RPG has barriers without at least one weak point? Perhaps Shields like ward ally could have an effect like the shield takes 50% less damage from critical strikes.
Shield breaker.
That doesn't do *** to shields all it does is hurt someone if they have a damage shield.PS4 NA
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✭✭✭✭✭RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »It makes sense what RPG has barriers without at least one weak point? Perhaps Shields like ward ally could have an effect like the shield takes 50% less damage from critical strikes.
Shield breaker.
That doesn't do *** to shields all it does is hurt someone if they have a damage shield.
It's a way around shield users...PS4 EU DC
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✭leepalmer95 wrote: »RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »It makes sense what RPG has barriers without at least one weak point? Perhaps Shields like ward ally could have an effect like the shield takes 50% less damage from critical strikes.
Shield breaker.
That doesn't do *** to shields all it does is hurt someone if they have a damage shield.
It's a way around shield users...
@leepalmer95 see....people dont realize how powerful that set really is against ANYONE who has a shield on them..... it is extra unavoidable damage lol2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »It makes sense what RPG has barriers without at least one weak point? Perhaps Shields like ward ally could have an effect like the shield takes 50% less damage from critical strikes.
Shield breaker.
That doesn't do *** to shields all it does is hurt someone if they have a damage shield.
It's a way around shield users...
@leepalmer95 see....people dont realize how powerful that set really is against ANYONE who has a shield on them..... it is extra unavoidable damage lol
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thelordoffelines✭✭✭✭✭I dont know if they will be critable but if they are then i want some spell and physical resist for my shield.4
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✭✭✭✭✭Hey the only "sorcerer" shield is hardened ward. Everyone has access to annulment, healing ward, barrier, and bone shield.
Just because sorcerer's have one good shield doesn't mean we own this issue.
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✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Well it's possible to take them down now, though it is annoying,
I don't think people realise that being allowed to crit them will make them like paper. Most sorc hardened wards can only take 2-3 hits from something like a wb now. If they could crit....
Plus those high crit stam blade would slaughter sorc's then.
So....get more health. Use sword and board. I partly understand what you're saying, but this is something all light armor wearers face.4 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Well it's possible to take them down now, though it is annoying,
I don't think people realise that being allowed to crit them will make them like paper. Most sorc hardened wards can only take 2-3 hits from something like a wb now. If they could crit....
Plus those high crit stam blade would slaughter sorc's then.
So....get more health. Use sword and board. I partly understand what you're saying, but this is something all light armor wearers face.
Well other classes have their defence too.
Nb's cloak
Templars heal
Sorc shields
Magicka dk's... thing.
Making shield's critable will be like halfing a templars healing, reducing cloak time to 2s and have a increase cost.
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maxjapank✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Well it's possible to take them down now, though it is annoying,
I don't think people realise that being allowed to crit them will make them like paper. Most sorc hardened wards can only take 2-3 hits from something like a wb now. If they could crit....
Plus those high crit stam blade would slaughter sorc's then.
So....get more health. Use sword and board. I partly understand what you're saying, but this is something all light armor wearers face.
Well other classes have their defence too.
Nb's cloak
Templars heal
Sorc shields
Magicka dk's... thing.
Making shield's critable will be like halfing a templars healing, reducing cloak time to 2s and have a increase cost.
And Sorcs don't have heals?0 -
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✭leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Well it's possible to take them down now, though it is annoying,
I don't think people realise that being allowed to crit them will make them like paper. Most sorc hardened wards can only take 2-3 hits from something like a wb now. If they could crit....
Plus those high crit stam blade would slaughter sorc's then.
So....get more health. Use sword and board. I partly understand what you're saying, but this is something all light armor wearers face.
Well other classes have their defence too.
Nb's cloak
Templars heal
Sorc shields
Magicka dk's... thing.
Making shield's critable will be like halfing a templars healing, reducing cloak time to 2s and have a increase cost.
And Sorcs don't have heals?
Sorc heals are inferior to templar heals and stam build heals. Sorcs have access to resto staff skill line and surge (class heal from crit damage). This is why nearly all sorcs run healing ward; it's literally the best heal we have access to, a bubble of all things
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✭✭✭✭✭Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »Saddly no cause QQ and all that. Just use shield breaker on those pesky shield spammers. Only way to actually kill them.
This. Shieldbreaker is much needed to put an end to sorcerors, 90% of sorcs has 1 counter to SB, wich is whine after you have killed them. The other 10% has adapted and actually slotted a heal.
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AlcastClass RepresentativeForestd16b14_ESO wrote: »Saddly no cause QQ and all that. Just use shield breaker on those pesky shield spammers. Only way to actually kill them.
This. Shieldbreaker is much needed to put an end to sorcerors, 90% of sorcs has 1 counter to SB, wich is whine after you have killed them. The other 10% has adapted and actually slotted a heal.
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✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Well it's possible to take them down now, though it is annoying,
I don't think people realise that being allowed to crit them will make them like paper. Most sorc hardened wards can only take 2-3 hits from something like a wb now. If they could crit....
Plus those high crit stam blade would slaughter sorc's then.
So....get more health. Use sword and board. I partly understand what you're saying, but this is something all light armor wearers face.
Sorry but Im getting sick and tired of this bs argument, getting more health decreases your chances of survival, especially in small scale pvp.
Fact is that most defensive abilities for magicka builds scale with magicka and/or spell dmg.
You want bigger heals, increase magicka and spell dmg.
You want bigger shields (annulent, healing ward, hardened ward) increase max magikca.
You want more cloak/streak/reflect etc increase magicka regen.
Increasing health takes away from max magicka, magicka regen or spell dmg, effectively lowering your chances of survival. With a big health pool you its harder to sustain your small magicka pool (directly decreasing health sustain) and it makes it nearly impossible to put pressure on your opponent, never forcing him on the defensive.
The only use for health is to prevent one-shot combo's, anything beyond that is wasted.
S&B can be viable if played right but its harder to pull off because it lacks the burst of DW or the sustained pressure of the destro staff. For magicka builds with relative low stam regen blocking is also dangerous because it can quickly drain your stamina and leave you unable to break-free.PC - EU (AD)Septimus Mezar - Altmer Sorcerer
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✭They are to scared to introduce crit shields, we saw that in IC PTS. Any of these would be nice.
Cap shields so they can't stack past max HP.
Spell pen should be the amount that bypasses the shield to your armors resist.
Reduce their up time to same as bone shields, 10s.
Increase their cost by 33% within 4s.This recent update has made me sad. Sad for the game. Sad for the community. Sad to pay whatever it is now. I want the previous eso back.0 -
SemiD4rkness✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Well it's possible to take them down now, though it is annoying,
I don't think people realise that being allowed to crit them will make them like paper. Most sorc hardened wards can only take 2-3 hits from something like a wb now. If they could crit....
Plus those high crit stam blade would slaughter sorc's then.
So....get more health. Use sword and board. I partly understand what you're saying, but this is something all light armor wearers face.
Well other classes have their defence too.
Nb's cloak
Templars heal
Sorc shields
Magicka dk's... thing.
Making shield's critable will be like halfing a templars healing, reducing cloak time to 2s and have a increase cost.
Hummm did you know that, theres an atribute called stamina? Templars can heal is not a valid argument.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭SemiD4rkness wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Well it's possible to take them down now, though it is annoying,
I don't think people realise that being allowed to crit them will make them like paper. Most sorc hardened wards can only take 2-3 hits from something like a wb now. If they could crit....
Plus those high crit stam blade would slaughter sorc's then.
So....get more health. Use sword and board. I partly understand what you're saying, but this is something all light armor wearers face.
Well other classes have their defence too.
Nb's cloak
Templars heal
Sorc shields
Magicka dk's... thing.
Making shield's critable will be like halfing a templars healing, reducing cloak time to 2s and have a increase cost.
Hummm did you know that, theres an atribute called stamina? Templars can heal is not a valid argument.
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✭SemiD4rkness wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Well it's possible to take them down now, though it is annoying,
I don't think people realise that being allowed to crit them will make them like paper. Most sorc hardened wards can only take 2-3 hits from something like a wb now. If they could crit....
Plus those high crit stam blade would slaughter sorc's then.
So....get more health. Use sword and board. I partly understand what you're saying, but this is something all light armor wearers face.
Well other classes have their defence too.
Nb's cloak
Templars heal
Sorc shields
Magicka dk's... thing.
Making shield's critable will be like halfing a templars healing, reducing cloak time to 2s and have a increase cost.
Hummm did you know that, theres an atribute called stamina? Templars can heal is not a valid argument.
Yeah it is; it's damage mitigation at the end of the day. All classes have some way of mitigating damage. Sorcs have puny heals, small stamina pools and can't vanish. Hardened Ward is a sorcs damage mitigation.PC | EU1 -
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✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Well it's possible to take them down now, though it is annoying,
I don't think people realise that being allowed to crit them will make them like paper. Most sorc hardened wards can only take 2-3 hits from something like a wb now. If they could crit....
Plus those high crit stam blade would slaughter sorc's then.
So an instant cast shield can "only" take 2-3 hits from an ability with a cast time, same 2-3 hits that would outright kill almost everyone else. Yup, seems balanced.
Either your Wrecking Blow hits like wet noodles or you managed to find a sorcerer who has 20k shield (impossible BTW)
Hardened ward is on average a 7k shield and what is average WB damage, 6k, 7k? 3 hits? Wut?
Funny seeing people talking without having a slightest clue about actual numbers.Edited by Egonieser on December 21, 2015 12:27PMSometimes, I dream about...cheese...
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zornyan✭✭✭✭✭SemiD4rkness wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Well it's possible to take them down now, though it is annoying,
I don't think people realise that being allowed to crit them will make them like paper. Most sorc hardened wards can only take 2-3 hits from something like a wb now. If they could crit....
Plus those high crit stam blade would slaughter sorc's then.
So....get more health. Use sword and board. I partly understand what you're saying, but this is something all light armor wearers face.
Well other classes have their defence too.
Nb's cloak
Templars heal
Sorc shields
Magicka dk's... thing.
Making shield's critable will be like halfing a templars healing, reducing cloak time to 2s and have a increase cost.
Hummm did you know that, theres an atribute called stamina? Templars can heal is not a valid argument.
Someone has also never seen what a 15k dark flare in pvp can do.
Yeah it goes like this....
Watch my dark flare cast. It only takes 1.1 seconds.....2 seconds later it finally soares off into the sky....I hope they don't roll dodge/block purge...its going to hit them....
10 seconds later, I see the flare ...its finally going to hit..oh wait they just blocked it.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭SemiD4rkness wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Well it's possible to take them down now, though it is annoying,
I don't think people realise that being allowed to crit them will make them like paper. Most sorc hardened wards can only take 2-3 hits from something like a wb now. If they could crit....
Plus those high crit stam blade would slaughter sorc's then.
So....get more health. Use sword and board. I partly understand what you're saying, but this is something all light armor wearers face.
Well other classes have their defence too.
Nb's cloak
Templars heal
Sorc shields
Magicka dk's... thing.
Making shield's critable will be like halfing a templars healing, reducing cloak time to 2s and have a increase cost.
Hummm did you know that, theres an atribute called stamina? Templars can heal is not a valid argument.
Someone has also never seen what a 15k dark flare in pvp can do.
Yeah it goes like this....
Watch my dark flare cast. It only takes 1.1 seconds.....2 seconds later it finally soares off into the sky....I hope they don't roll dodge/block purge...its going to hit them....
10 seconds later, I see the flare ...its finally going to hit..oh wait they just blocked it.
Its basicly the same issue with hardcasted crystal fragments or other spells with cast time.
Once upon a time when resources mattered alot during a fight, this kind of thing might have been viable, in some way. But now that people can dodge and whatever other stuff endlessly during combat due to softcaps being gone and regeneration rates being through the roof, people can pretty much avoid most if not all cast time spells and abilities unless youre fighting alot of players at once.
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✭✭✭✭✭The theory/conventional wisdom/youtubeguy/lol1v1duelerermentality - cast times/hardcast/darkflare, all bad/garbage/trash/l2pifyoudoit/etc
The reality - very few people ever actually block/dodge/reflect all of the time or at the right times. Did you know its actually hilarious to hardcast a frag at someone while they are in the middle of a rolldodge? Do you know what happens? it hits them as they stop rolling, before they can initiate the next, kekekeke. And then they are flat on their back for the procfrag that follows... and all of a sudden they are pure defensive with 4k health left scrambling for a piece of los or spamming their heals like crazy, sorc hasnt even started laying into them..... yeah.
So please do keep propagating the notion that everyone (even the good players) cant be caught with a casted ability, because I assure you, it happens. It actually happens a lot more than they would ever dare to admit.
The idea that regen only affects defense also raises another point. You do realize a sorc could stand there hardcasting like 30 frags in a row at someone, and that someone is not even gonna be able to get through a third of that without taking a few to the face while their CD resets on their increased cost. I wonder what the magic number is.... how many hardcast frags does it take to kill someone relying on dodge to win.... my guesstimate is 12. 15 if they have enough stam in between to block, maybe 20 if they have vigor. It only becomes arbitrary if they also have another source of healing, but by this point, im still just spamming frags and they cant afford to attack me.Edited by Rylana on December 21, 2015 1:30PM@rylanadionysis == Closed Beta Tester October 2013 == Retired October 2016 == Uninstalled @ One Tamriel Release == Inactive Indefinitely
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✭leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Well it's possible to take them down now, though it is annoying,
I don't think people realise that being allowed to crit them will make them like paper. Most sorc hardened wards can only take 2-3 hits from something like a wb now. If they could crit....
Plus those high crit stam blade would slaughter sorc's then.
So....get more health. Use sword and board. I partly understand what you're saying, but this is something all light armor wearers face.
Well other classes have their defence too.
Nb's cloak
Templars heal
Sorc shields
Magicka dk's... thing.
Making shield's critable will be like halfing a templars healing, reducing cloak time to 2s and have a increase cost.
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