So apprently my build is really weak, so I'm looking for some help

Infinite12 · December 2015

So I had posted about battle leveling and posted some of my stats and people are making it sound like my build is bad. So let's see if you guys can help me out then......

V16 Khajiit stamblade vampire

Hundings rage: 5 pieces v16, legendary
Night silence: 4 pieces v16, legendary
Agility set: 3 pieces v16, epic

Warrior mundus stone

Max magicka: 13,181
Max health: 23,100
Max Stam: 30,976

Mag recovery: 621
Health recovery: 263 (stage 4 vampire)
Stam recovery: 1981

Weapon damage: 2862
Weapon crit: 78.9%

Does anyone have any suggestions? People were saying my stats were very low for a v16 with v16 legendary gear and enchants so point out where I'm going wrong and let me know how to make improvements

leepalmer95 · December 2015

Seems fine to me, gave up a bit of dmg for sustain.

Is all your gear gold v16? I'm thinking you could likely pick of some more wpn dmg from somewhere.

dday3six · December 2015

What enchantments and traits do you have on your armor and jewelry? Seems like your Magicka is high and your Stamina and Weapon Damage is low.

Preyfar · December 2015

Is that with food?

I've got a similar build, and honestly I do more than fine. You could probably swap some health for stamina to boost your damage up a bit, but overall those are fairly decent numbers. That, or drop some of your stamina recovery (using Siphoning Attacks as a stam buff) and toss your extra points into some weapon damage glyphs.

Infinite12 · December 2015

Infused head, chest and legs. Stamina enchants on everything except my chest, which is health

Infinite12 · December 2015

Yeah I thought I had decent numbers too. Someone said my numbers were "very low". That his khajiit Stamplar has 4500 weapom damage with 90% crit

Infinite12 · December 2015

And yes, those are with max food

mr_wazzabi · December 2015

If you use siphoning attacks for sustain, you can enchant your agility jewelery with weapon damage enchants and go with lower stamina regen. Siphoning attacks will replace and possibly surpass your lost stamina regen.

Preyfar · December 2015

Infinite12 wrote: »

Yeah I thought I had decent numbers too. Someone said my numbers were "very low". That his khajiit Stamplar has 4500 weapom damage with 90% crit

He may be able to get that provided everything he has procs all at once, but I want to almost call shenanigans. Even with Twice-Born (Thief, Warrior) and a full agility set with gold VR16 weapon damage glyphs I'd have to question that. And, on top of that, I'd love to know the guy's stamina. 4.5K weapon damage doesn't mean much if your stamina pool is about as big as a pudding cup or if you lack the sustain to make it last long.

That said, it IS possible to get there with buffs. When everything I have procs, I can get to 4.1K weapon damage with 80% crit, but... it's not damage that last long term. It requires Rally, Briarheart's proc, weapon proc and more.

Stats need to be measured by base stats and proc'd stats. Yeah, you may only have 2,862 weapon damage, but if you're using 2H with Rally you get a 20% weapon damage bonus. Then another 8% if you drop on Flawless Dawnbreaker. So you can instantly buff your skills, and poof, more damage.

UltimaJoe777 · December 2015

Infinite12 wrote: »

Yeah I thought I had decent numbers too. Someone said my numbers were "very low". That his khajiit Stamplar has 4500 weapom damage with 90% crit

The Elitism is real. Pay no mind to those tools and do as you please! Long as it works for you, it's a good build

Sithisvoid · December 2015

Someone always brags about huge stats. Ask for a screenshot of his character chart so you can "compare" He's probably in stealth, buffed. I can get mine to around 4.2k like that with rally and relentless focus in stealth. Not that high of crit though. If i was going to change anything about your build i'd suggest giving up a tiny bit of the magika for more stam. It's probably tristat food you use right? I prefer the blue stam and health just go get the extra bit. Although now i've even moved on to the blue delicacy food you get in orsinium that gives max health plus stam regen

Preyfar · December 2015

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

The Elitism is real. Pay no mind to those tools and do as you please! Long as it works for you, it's a good build

Agreed. Plus what works for someone else may not work for your playstyle. If you feel effective, have fun, don't fret.

dday3six · December 2015

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Infinite12 wrote: »

Yeah I thought I had decent numbers too. Someone said my numbers were "very low". That his khajiit Stamplar has 4500 weapom damage with 90% crit

The Elitism is real. Pay no mind to those tools and do as you please! Long as it works for you, it's a good build

"It works for you" is not synonymous with good. Players who think that set themselves up for failure. Sooner or later they come up against a challenge they cannot overcome, but don't want to optimize their build because it works for them.

RinOkumara · December 2015

http://deathbytrial.enjin.com/nb

Infinite12 · December 2015

dday3six wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Infinite12 wrote: »

Yeah I thought I had decent numbers too. Someone said my numbers were "very low". That his khajiit Stamplar has 4500 weapom damage with 90% crit

The Elitism is real. Pay no mind to those tools and do as you please! Long as it works for you, it's a good build

"It works for you" is not synonymous with good. Players who think that set themselves up for failure. Sooner or later they come up against a challenge they cannot overcome, but don't want to optimize their build because it works for them.

So do you have any advice for me to help optimize my build?

Wollust · December 2015

Is your weapon damage buffed with major brutality?
What enchants do you have on your jewelry? Regen?
How many CPs do you have?

Your build seems fine, just the stamina seems a bit low imo. I'd expect at least 34k or more stam on a Khajit (with tristat food, undaunted 9, everything into stamina)

MrDerrikk · December 2015

Try looking on Tamriel Foundry for builds that others have made, and adapt the way they make it to how you'd prefer. I've got a couple of Magicka DK builds from there that I am in the process of adapting. (Note: there's only really 1 build for Mag DK, there may be more for NB but I haven't looked).

Infinite12 · December 2015

No, that damage is unbuffed. And I have 325 champion points. And my undaunted is level 2.

Wollust · December 2015

Infinite12 wrote: »

No, that damage is unbuffed. And I have 325 champion points. And my undaunted is level 2.

well, that explains the stat difference.
If you level up undaunted to level 9, you will get 6% more stats (if you wear 1l/1h/5m) or still 2% if you go all medium armor.
More CP -> more stats.
Buff up your weapon damage with major brutality, you'll be sitting at around 3.5-3.6k or so. Which is more than enough.

Seems fine.

And don't mind the other dude with his weapon damage, stamina, crit or whatever else. People talk a lot on the internet.

UltimaJoe777 · December 2015

dday3six wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Infinite12 wrote: »

Yeah I thought I had decent numbers too. Someone said my numbers were "very low". That his khajiit Stamplar has 4500 weapom damage with 90% crit

The Elitism is real. Pay no mind to those tools and do as you please! Long as it works for you, it's a good build

"It works for you" is not synonymous with good. Players who think that set themselves up for failure. Sooner or later they come up against a challenge they cannot overcome, but don't want to optimize their build because it works for them.

Wrong. It's actually that kind of mindset that elitists and min/maxers stress over for no reason other than wanting to always dominate every aspect of any game they play, which you just can't because every build has strengths and weaknesses, proving nothing is perfect. Any build that works has the potential to be good as long as you have the skill to back it up. Cookie cutters are not the only viable option.

Now I never said a build cannot be improved upon, I simply said you don't need a cookie cutter build to be "good". Want proof? I'm right here

MrDerrikk · December 2015

dday3six wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Infinite12 wrote: »

Yeah I thought I had decent numbers too. Someone said my numbers were "very low". That his khajiit Stamplar has 4500 weapom damage with 90% crit

The Elitism is real. Pay no mind to those tools and do as you please! Long as it works for you, it's a good build

"It works for you" is not synonymous with good. Players who think that set themselves up for failure. Sooner or later they come up against a challenge they cannot overcome, but don't want to optimize their build because it works for them.

This mentality is not regarding a build like the one the OP is going for, it is for the people like the healers with 1 healing spell and full HA who then whine that they're not good enough and need a buff. Please don't insult someone who is running a build that can actually reach good specs, but just not the same amounts as a cookie-cutter (or runs different skills that still work fine, but not the same as everyone else).

dday3six · December 2015

Infinite12 wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Infinite12 wrote: »

Yeah I thought I had decent numbers too. Someone said my numbers were "very low". That his khajiit Stamplar has 4500 weapom damage with 90% crit

The Elitism is real. Pay no mind to those tools and do as you please! Long as it works for you, it's a good build

"It works for you" is not synonymous with good. Players who think that set themselves up for failure. Sooner or later they come up against a challenge they cannot overcome, but don't want to optimize their build because it works for them.

So do you have any advice for me to help optimize my build?

This is a PVP build if I recall correctly? Some of these suggestions are going to be mat tensive. I freely attempt that.

It seems like you're using tri-stat food (your Magicka is really high). I personally find having more Stamina and Health is better than trading them for more Magicka on a Stamina build. So I'd suggest swapping to Stamina/Health food.

Try to get a piece of Molag Kena and trade it out for the 4th piece of Night's Silence, or replace Night's Silence with 4pc of Morkuldin. Either way will net you 129 more Weapon Damage, rather than more crit. Crit is good but more WD is typically better over all for PVP.

You can also change your armor traits to divines for more weapon damage from the Warrior Mundus.

I don't know what enchantments you have on your jewelry but you might be able to add a weapon enchant there as well.

Infinite12 · December 2015

I don't think anyone was trying to insult me. Ultima is basically saying that if you can make a build work that's what matters and dday is just saying that every build can be optimized

GreenSoup2HoT · December 2015

I just want to put this out there. People are gonna tell you to get more damage. You can listen to them if you want but hear me out.

Play to what feel's right for you. I run with 3k wep damage and 2.5k stamina recovery and do fine against most build's. The sustain is really important. Without it, you die. So i'd rather focus on recovery and make sure i can heal through whatever goes my way.

If you duel, yeah 100% weapon damage nightblade's are really good. However not everyone duel's (not sure if your into that kind of thing).

It's not always about having a good build for everything. For me it's about a build that counter's 1 thing very well and doesn't with another. Rock Paper Scissor's.

The dueling community is what ruin's this "rock paper scissor's" element to the game. Personally i think there should be more set's like shield breaker to make this element much more prominent in today's meta. Everyone try's to be #1. I would much rather see players be very good at killing specific target's and lack killing other's. That's how mmoRPG's should work in my opinion. You should always have a weakness.

The sentry set is another good example of "Rock Paper Scissor's". You deal insane amount's of damage to people stealth, which are nightblade's roaming in cryodil around keep's etc. Sentry set also give's you extra range with radiant mage light giving you pretty much a permanent detect potion. This is where this set come's in handy for anyone who want's to counter gank. However this set lack's when you come across target's who do not stealth. Very under utilized set.

It's not that i dislike player's who duel. I just think this way of playing the game is very limited because of the lack of set's that give one player an advantage against specific classes. Most dueler's stack one stat, damage with a bit of recovery. The skill's used are also very limited.

This game just really lack's RPG. Not many Tank's, Not many "pure" healer's, AoE specialist's, Pure Ranged user's, Etc. Not to say that you cannot play these type's of characters, it's just the Armour and mechanic's limit the game to cookie cutter builds. Variety is something i love to see.

Recently i saw a Sorc video on the forum's the other day that was very interesting. He was using a Bow Primary and utilized Bolt Escape to create distance, he also used Magnum Shot to create even more distance (so bolt escape cost was not huge). His opponent could not touch him and he was free to deal damage. Something i have not seen really anyone do. I love people like this.

I'll end it off with this.

I recommend creating a build that you like to play but most importantly make it unique. Make it unique and own it. I never listen to the player's who recommend meta build's. I try to break the meta and create something totally different. That's what's fun in my opinion.

Google Eso Set's and start looking up under utilized set's. There are many set's that are actually very interesting and i for one have caught many player's off guard with a couple of my build's.

Do what feel's right for you and have fun doing it.

Pce

dday3six · December 2015

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Infinite12 wrote: »

Yeah I thought I had decent numbers too. Someone said my numbers were "very low". That his khajiit Stamplar has 4500 weapom damage with 90% crit

The Elitism is real. Pay no mind to those tools and do as you please! Long as it works for you, it's a good build

"It works for you" is not synonymous with good. Players who think that set themselves up for failure. Sooner or later they come up against a challenge they cannot overcome, but don't want to optimize their build because it works for them.

Wrong. It's actually that kind of mindset that elitists and min/maxers stress over for no reason other than wanting to always dominate every aspect of any game they play, which you just can't because every build has strengths and weaknesses, proving nothing is perfect. Any build that works has the potential to be good as long as you have the skill to back it up. Cookie cutters are not the only viable option.

Now I never said a build cannot be improved upon, I simply said you don't need a cookie cutter build to be "good". Want proof? I'm right here

Are you even VR16 yet? Don't think you'll be proving anything with your extensive history of making erroneous comments about endgame long before you were even there.

You cannot override lacking aspects like weapon damage, sustain or overall build synergy with skill. There comes a point when having higher stats is going to trump skill. That's the tipping point between "works for you", and truly good build.