Battle leveling is out of hand and needs to be removed.

Infinite12 · December 2015

Me: V16 Khajiit nightblade, all V16 legendary gear and weapons with all legendary 16 enchants.

Health: 23,000
Stamina: 30,000
Weapon damage: 3100

Guild mate: V1 Stam sorc

Health: 22,000
Stamina: 28,000
Weapon damage: 2800

And this is fair somehow? And he has a lot less champion points than I do. This battle leveling system is messed up.

zornyan · December 2015

Infinite12 wrote: »

Me: V16 Khajiit nightblade, all V16 legendary gear and weapons with all legendary 16 enchants.

Health: 23,000
Stamina: 30,000
Weapon damage: 3100

Guild mate: V1 Stam sorc

Health: 22,000
Stamina: 28,000
Weapon damage: 2800

And this is fair somehow? And he has a lot less champion points than I do. This battle leveling system is messed up.

Are you using the exact same gear sets?

Your weapon power and stamina seem very low. Have you compared regens and cost reduction too?

My stam builds normally end up with 4300-4500 weapon power and 36k-30k stamina.

RatedChaotic · December 2015

zornyan wrote: »

Infinite12 wrote: »

Me: V16 Khajiit nightblade, all V16 legendary gear and weapons with all legendary 16 enchants.

Health: 23,000
Stamina: 30,000
Weapon damage: 3100

Guild mate: V1 Stam sorc

Health: 22,000
Stamina: 28,000
Weapon damage: 2800

And this is fair somehow? And he has a lot less champion points than I do. This battle leveling system is messed up.

Are you using the exact same gear sets?

Your weapon power and stamina seem very low. Have you compared regens and cost reduction too?

My stam builds normally end up with 4300-4500 weapon power and 36k-30k stamina.

Maybe all buffed. Noticed you didnt list your health. Have 2 high stats you had to sacrifice something. Screenshot pls would like to your numbers. Or I call bs. Those are big gaps.

ostrapz · December 2015

Champ points wont affect the stats , he probably has good gear, which after you go a vet level or 2 past it your *** goes down the drain. Plus ur stats are actually still better so it doesnt seem too bad

UltimaJoe777 · December 2015

Low levels get stat bonuses to compensate for a lack of active/passive skills and gear. It helps them be on more equal footing in Cyrodiil as well as stand a chance in Wrothgar PvE. Even then, they still have it rough at times... Especially those below Lv20.

As for that Vet Rank, sounds like he has quite the build. I'd check his gear and stuff and then judge lol

acw37162 · December 2015

Sounds like he has a fair shot and you still have an advantage, problem?

nimander99 · December 2015

Ummmm that appears to be working exactly as it was explained... should he be half your stats? Would that be "fair" in your mind?

UltimaJoe777 · December 2015

nimander99 wrote: »

Ummmm that appears to be working exactly as it was explained... should he be half your stats? Would that be "fair" in your mind?

Is that a trick question? lol

Artjuh90 · December 2015

you are still stronger and still cry. you could actually achieve higher stats with battle leveling at lower levels but you aren't even complaining about that xD

Tryxus · December 2015

Kids these days... >_>

They want everything nerfed, even a system that makes PvP more fair for lower lvls

Yolokin_Swagonborn · December 2015

I put more time into the game grinding goblins in Crackwood cave I should be able to faceroll new players and feel super powerful!!!

My stats should be so much higher than lower level characters because I earned it. (by grinding pve)

ZOS fix it so I'm OP again and the amount of time spent grinding mobs in PvE matters more than player skill!!!

Alucardo · December 2015

He's scaled to VR15 and your stats are still better. This actually seems pretty legit. What is your problem - you feel like you have the right to crush everyone like ants?

Tryxus · December 2015

Alucardo wrote: »

He's scaled to VR15 and your stats are still better. This actually seems pretty legit. What is your problem - you feel like you have the right to crush everyone like ants?

He wants to be a mighty Dragonborn, who can slay dragons with 1 hit, be a ferocious WW that can rip everyone to shreds, a master assassin and super thief who can become 1 with the shadows, Arch-Mage of Winterhold, killer of Miraak and Harkon,...

Yolokin_Swagonborn · December 2015

Giving newer players an actual fighting chance in PvP is good for the game. The only people who think otherwise are the ones that want to feel powerful by killing new players by the thousands like some sort of god. We had that playstyle in PvP before and it was not good for game health.

Besides, you still have the Champion system that allows you to hit 25% harder, regen 25% more and be 25% more resistant to certain types of damage than a new player with no vet toons. Isn't that advantage enough?

khele23eb17_ESO · December 2015

Tryxus wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

He's scaled to VR15 and your stats are still better. This actually seems pretty legit. What is your problem - you feel like you have the right to crush everyone like ants?

He wants to be a mighty Dragonborn, who can slay dragons with 1 hit, be a ferocious WW that can rip everyone to shreds, a master assassin and super thief who can become 1 with the shadows, Arch-Mage of Winterhold, killer of Miraak and Harkon,...

He wants to have a significantly stronger character than someone who invested a few hundred hours less into the game than him.

zornyan · December 2015

RatedChaotic wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Infinite12 wrote: »

Me: V16 Khajiit nightblade, all V16 legendary gear and weapons with all legendary 16 enchants.

Health: 23,000
Stamina: 30,000
Weapon damage: 3100

Guild mate: V1 Stam sorc

Health: 22,000
Stamina: 28,000
Weapon damage: 2800

And this is fair somehow? And he has a lot less champion points than I do. This battle leveling system is messed up.

Are you using the exact same gear sets?

Your weapon power and stamina seem very low. Have you compared regens and cost reduction too?

My stam builds normally end up with 4300-4500 weapon power and 36k-30k stamina.

Maybe all buffed. Noticed you didnt list your health. Have 2 high stats you had to sacrifice something. Screenshot pls would like to your numbers. Or I call bs. Those are big gaps.

It's the same as alcasts build over on Tamriel foundry, for my stamplar.

I'm at 4400 with just Rally up, have another 150 from weapon damage glyph.

All gold vr16 gear.

Health is 20k, imperial, in cyro 25k, using blue stam+hp food.

5x hundings, 3x sentry, 1, kena, 3x robust agility 3x weapon glyphs.

Tryxus · December 2015

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

He's scaled to VR15 and your stats are still better. This actually seems pretty legit. What is your problem - you feel like you have the right to crush everyone like ants?

He wants to be a mighty Dragonborn, who can slay dragons with 1 hit, be a ferocious WW that can rip everyone to shreds, a master assassin and super thief who can become 1 with the shadows, Arch-Mage of Winterhold, killer of Miraak and Harkon,...

He wants to have a significantly stronger character than someone who invested a few hundred hours less into the game than him.

Yup

But I want new players who actually stick around and keep playing this game instead of leaving when they get crushed in Cyro every time

UltimaJoe777 · December 2015

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

He's scaled to VR15 and your stats are still better. This actually seems pretty legit. What is your problem - you feel like you have the right to crush everyone like ants?

He wants to be a mighty Dragonborn, who can slay dragons with 1 hit, be a ferocious WW that can rip everyone to shreds, a master assassin and super thief who can become 1 with the shadows, Arch-Mage of Winterhold, killer of Miraak and Harkon,...

He wants to have a significantly stronger character than someone who invested a few hundred hours less into the game than him.

And that only gives cheaters more incentive to cheat. Those who are truly powerful earn their power properly, and no amount of macroing or rubberbanding can do that. Not saying OP does this, just saiyan in general lol

zornyan · December 2015

@RatedChaotic

This is just for you

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/jabsmania-templar-stamina-dd-build-for-update-1-6/

That screenshot was without his weapon damage glyph active, I also use 1 more weapon damage enchant where he uses a cost reduction, I also don't have a healthy ring as my imperial passives mean I'm at 20k hp anyway.

Oh and I use warrior mundus with divines gear, actually think my weapon damage is nearer 4800 buffed, need to go check.

Infinite12 · December 2015

I only posted my stats as a comparison, as a v16 with all V16 gear and glyphs. All I'm saying is that for a VR1 those stats are kind of high.

Tryxus · December 2015

Infinite12 wrote: »

I only posted my stats as a comparison, as a v16 with all V16 gear and glyphs. All I'm saying is that for a VR1 those stats are kind of high.

Well it's kinda needed for them to have a bit of a fighting chance against higher lvls/more experienced PvPers

Besides, as a V16 you still have higher stats than the buffed up lower lvls. Plus as a PvP veteran, you still have access to CP which they don't have (unless they're an alt ofc)

But even so, this system makes that part a bit more fair IMO. Now if only ZOS could remove the general buffs/nerfs from it and add some class-based changes to it instead so they no longer have to change the classes themselves...

That would be great

Essiaga · December 2015

zornyan wrote: »

Infinite12 wrote: »

Me: V16 Khajiit nightblade, all V16 legendary gear and weapons with all legendary 16 enchants.

Health: 23,000
Stamina: 30,000
Weapon damage: 3100

Guild mate: V1 Stam sorc

Health: 22,000
Stamina: 28,000
Weapon damage: 2800

And this is fair somehow? And he has a lot less champion points than I do. This battle leveling system is messed up.

Are you using the exact same gear sets?

Your weapon power and stamina seem very low. Have you compared regens and cost reduction too?

My stam builds normally end up with 4300-4500 weapon power and 36k-30k stamina.

So being that he's battle leveled he's still NOT BETTER then you but he's kinda close ... which makes me thing battle leveling is working.

Also my NB is Redguard wearing all v14 blue gear with pretty much the stats that you have.

Frankly I don't get this obsession people have with having an advantage over others. In PVP I'd rather be equal so no one could say you won simply because of CP, gear quality, or Alliance rank, etc.

Alucardo · December 2015

Infinite12 wrote: »

I only posted my stats as a comparison, as a v16 with all V16 gear and glyphs. All I'm saying is that for a VR1 those stats are kind of high.

VR16s can reach some pretty ridiculous numbers. If people under VR16 couldn't get near it there'd be no point stepping foot into Cyrodiil. You'd get torn apart.

Alucardo · December 2015

Actually, once vet ranks are removed, there will be no need for battle levelling (except non-vet). So you can look forward to that at least.

zornyan · December 2015

Alucardo wrote: »

Actually, once vet ranks are removed, there will be no need for battle levelling (except non-vet). So you can look forward to that at least.

Actually there will be

Since cp rank 160 will be the same as vr16 now, and gear will be tied to cp ranks, if someone got to level 50, earned 10 cp they would be at a massive disadvantage to everyone in game (just like how vet 1s were in the old vr14 battle leveling system)

Also since cp rank 160 will be max (for example obviously it will become higher) they'll have to make sure pre level 50 have enough buffs to still contend with those ranks, I'll imagine they'll take base cp bonuses and actually give lower level builds a tad more poeer, as currently battle leveling doesn't include cp, when eventually it will.

AfkNinja · December 2015

It's absolutely fair. PVP should be about skill, not who grinded in a cave the longest.

Alucardo · December 2015

zornyan wrote: »

Actually there will be

Since cp rank 160 will be the same as vr16 now, and gear will be tied to cp ranks, if someone got to level 50, earned 10 cp they would be at a massive disadvantage to everyone in game (just like how vet 1s were in the old vr14 battle leveling system)

Also since cp rank 160 will be max (for example obviously it will become higher) they'll have to make sure pre level 50 have enough buffs to still contend with those ranks, I'll imagine they'll take base cp bonuses and actually give lower level builds a tad more poeer, as currently battle leveling doesn't include cp, when eventually it will.

The 160 CP thing is true, but it really doesn't take long to get that many, especially with the catch up mechanic. Even so, the battle levelling won't need to be as lenient as it is currently.

nimander99 · December 2015

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

Ummmm that appears to be working exactly as it was explained... should he be half your stats? Would that be "fair" in your mind?

Is that a trick question? lol

Not a trick question so much as an overly ridiculous statement to highlight the silliness of the complaint

Tryxus · December 2015

zornyan wrote: »

and gear will be tied to cp ranks

That'll be quite a grind, especially with the mat grind now and with the higher CP ranks...

AfkNinja · December 2015

Alucardo wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Actually there will be

Since cp rank 160 will be the same as vr16 now, and gear will be tied to cp ranks, if someone got to level 50, earned 10 cp they would be at a massive disadvantage to everyone in game (just like how vet 1s were in the old vr14 battle leveling system)

Also since cp rank 160 will be max (for example obviously it will become higher) they'll have to make sure pre level 50 have enough buffs to still contend with those ranks, I'll imagine they'll take base cp bonuses and actually give lower level builds a tad more poeer, as currently battle leveling doesn't include cp, when eventually it will.

The 160 CP thing is true, but it really doesn't take long to get that many, especially with the catch up mechanic. Even so, the battle levelling won't need to be as lenient as it is currently.

Seriously. With the catch up mechanic they'll have that 160 cp in less than a week. It's so fast....

Khaos_Bane · December 2015

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Giving newer players an actual fighting chance in PvP is good for the game. The only people who think otherwise are the ones that want to feel powerful by killing new players by the thousands like some sort of god. We had that playstyle in PvP before and it was not good for game health.

Besides, you still have the Champion system that allows you to hit 25% harder, regen 25% more and be 25% more resistant to certain types of damage than a new player with no vet toons. Isn't that advantage enough?

This completely. Many PvP players do want a huge gap and mow people down, it's why PvP is *** in most games. You have people that do nothing all day but PvP in a game and tend to ruin it for others.