Rickter wrote: »

This is a novel idea, very admirable but honestly ya'll should just stop talking about it.

No one in this thread has the authority or the pull to speak for their entire faction. you just. . . dont. so any talk of how when and why youre going to establish these "rules of war/engagement" is moot.

Earlier someone was saying that GoS is going to respect the "Home Keep Rule" but then EP had DC scrolls up until the exact time of this post. when i pointed this out on page 7 or 8 or w/e it was clarified that "pugs" did it and they cant be controlled.

Of course none of us speak for everyone in a given faction nor do I want to, but we represent the largest guild/numbers of players that are homed on Haderus. As such whatever we do will have some direct/indirect impact. For the effort put into this thread there have been positive results and the makeup on the server for all factions seems to be getting stronger which can only result in better and better PvP experiences for everyone. I for one am glad that I've put effort into this and I've forged some really good lines of communication for my guild which will only open up more opportunities moving forward. Though we can't control the pugs, we can still push to have fun and I think that in itself is something to strive for. Not everyone will agree with this but those that do I think will reap the benefits. So far today has been an incredible battle of wills and I suspect tonight on Haderus will be one we talk about for some time to come, or at least I hope it will live up to today's action.

@Rickter

Yes, you're right everything I mentioned is subjective to one's point of view but I have never claimed to offer an objective look at anything. I'm not sure where I mention cross faction coordination to crown an emp., but if I have I hope there is no confusion; the cross faction coordination I am talking about here is for seeing some smaller scale PvP on the server. As for being pretentious, no it is not, it is just the effect that large groups can have on a situation. Tonight might be the opposite but I think in the aftermath smaller PvP will be out there, but that's just my feeling on it. I am sorry if to you I've come off as pretentious or trying to force my ideas on anyone. I am merely interested in the OP original idea and working towards seeing if that might work.

Rickter wrote: »

EP rolling the server right now. so i guesss this is all out the window? cant drop names but you know who you are.

I am playing yellow on Azuras tonight so have no idea whats going on on Haderus.


Also it may be pretentious, but at the time I pledged GoS to this thread, there was no doubt at the time the guild could serve as enforcer of the "rules" as we were/are the strongest force. But with the new influx of blues, its more even and self policing begins.

We havent had to kick people off a home keep for either blue or yellow in a few days, youre welcome btw? Three days ago all three DC home keeps were yellow until we took them and let DC have them back.

Naturally people are going to do whatever they want to do. While I cant tell all the reds what to do, I can be a diplomat in my own faction and many of the reds on Haderus are either in our guild or allied with it. There will always be those that will do whatever no matter what.

Our part, is for those yellow or blue guester zergs that show up to cause mayhem, then GoS goes full force and does what it can to contain that problem while the rest of yall do what it is you do.

Like I said, we prefer to run 10 or less, we CAN run 30 if we have to. Id honestly prefer Haderus doesnt become the next trueflame though, where every AP farm guild smells blood and shows up to screw up what we have had going.

Rylana wrote: »

So I went to Had for a brief period after my last post due to emp keeps being threatened, and when i got there, I totally wasnt needed.

Where did all these EP pugs come from? I dont even know half of them, is this totally new? Cause as of two days ago they werent here.

The EP pugs come in like random hordes of locust, and Loki.

Rylana wrote: »

So I went to Had for a brief period after my last post due to emp keeps being threatened, and when i got there, I totally wasnt needed.

Where did all these EP pugs come from? I dont even know half of them, is this totally new? Cause as of two days ago they werent here.

You don't honestly think that you're the only one that wants lag-free small scale combat, do you? A lot of players read these forums (believe it or not) and I suspect that a bunch decided that Haderus might actually be offering some decent playing conditions not found elsewhere. If we don't get a reciprocal input of players from AD and DC then of course the situation will deteriorate.

As Vijori noted above there was a large group of DC early in the day that pretty much took all of EP's keeps and scrolls. We had to bide our time at BRK hoping we didn't get steamrolled between them and the AD that were on. For some reason they just mostly disappeared after we had a really decent fight at Aleswell later on. Maybe the real problem here is the time of day with different groups having different schedules and that's why we have periods of one side dominating.

"We HAD to zerg them because they are using Kag's rezzers" - EP streamer commenting on our 6 man group.

6 players, and we HAD to be zerged because we had one kag's rezzer. against an 11 man EMP GROUP. yes the emp and 10 others against our 6.

so 6 of us til 2am est and this is what the EP Emp group had to say about us:

"theyre a good group but they all play terrible builds" wait. . . what?!?

"There's only four of us, oh yeah we have emp" WHAT?! this guy has followers?

"we have the emp healing and shes a great healer but. . IM NOT GETTING HEALS!! EMP SAVE ME!! I WAS AT 20% FOR SO LONG!!" - terrible emp like we've been saying. .

"Look at this *** right here! this is her build she holds block and spams heal" um, like his emperor doesnt do that?!? and um, when youre getting 4 v 1'd then wtf are you supposed to do?!

"you saw it it took 8 guys teaming up on one of them to kill them" just told on yourself, 4 people in your group including an emp healer but you had a separate group equaling over 8. sounds like we have great healers

the we are called a zerg?! what is a zerg these days?!

Rickter wrote: »

"We HAD to zerg them because they are using Kag's rezzers" - EP streamer commenting on our 6 man group.

6 players, and we HAD to be zerged because we had one kag's rezzer. against an 11 man EMP GROUP. yes the emp and 10 others against our 6.

Sorry boss but 6v11 is fairly even odds, not even 2:1. You don't get to say you were zerged.

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

"We HAD to zerg them because they are using Kag's rezzers" - EP streamer commenting on our 6 man group.

6 players, and we HAD to be zerged because we had one kag's rezzer. against an 11 man EMP GROUP. yes the emp and 10 others against our 6.

Sorry boss but 6v11 is fairly even odds, not even 2:1. You don't get to say you were zerged.

You misread. The EP STREAMER said they "had" to Zerg my crew because we had one kags rezzer

Rickter wrote: »

Psilent wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

what is a zerg these days?!

On these forums a zerg is anything between 2 to 100+ players.

4 EP on a resource, including the 100% no damage support build EMPEROR. We let them kill the guards and crashed them with the 6 of us and this EP STREAMER literally says "wrecked by the DC Zerg, lel"

Like I know I'm stirring the pot a little here but I'm just trying to point out to you all that this is the kind of *** mentality we're dealing with on Haderus. This "small scale rules of engagement" proposal will never work with people thinking that 6 v 4+Emp is being zerged.

Change starts with you in your heart. But egos will just make us all wanna do our own thing. Own up to your BS. EP's emperor on Haderus is pure support. Straight up resto staff healing springs BoL nova drop SPAM. With that kind of power you are going to get zerged every time. Expect it and own up to it. Period.

Then we can talk.

Would you rather it had been me? Pure AoE DPS destruction machine sorc that can vaporize groups of 12-20 solo as emp? Not to mention be virtually impossible to kill without a horde, the thing is hard enough to wrangle down normally.

I mean that was the alternative, and a primary reason I decided to gracefully step back and let her pass me. My emp build is too strong for a low-pop server. Not an ego trip, honesty.

It baffles me that people are complaining about a healer/support emp, when far far worse things exist, is my whole point.

Rickter wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

Psilent wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

what is a zerg these days?!

On these forums a zerg is anything between 2 to 100+ players.

4 EP on a resource, including the 100% no damage support build EMPEROR. We let them kill the guards and crashed them with the 6 of us and this EP STREAMER literally says "wrecked by the DC Zerg, lel"

Like I know I'm stirring the pot a little here but I'm just trying to point out to you all that this is the kind of *** mentality we're dealing with on Haderus. This "small scale rules of engagement" proposal will never work with people thinking that 6 v 4+Emp is being zerged.

Change starts with you in your heart. But egos will just make us all wanna do our own thing. Own up to your BS. EP's emperor on Haderus is pure support. Straight up resto staff healing springs BoL nova drop SPAM. With that kind of power you are going to get zerged every time. Expect it and own up to it. Period.

Then we can talk.

Would you rather it had been me? Pure AoE DPS destruction machine sorc that can vaporize groups of 12-20 solo as emp? Not to mention be virtually impossible to kill without a horde, the thing is hard enough to wrangle down normally.

I mean that was the alternative, and a primary reason I decided to gracefully step back and let her pass me. My emp build is too strong for a low-pop server. Not an ego trip, honesty.

It baffles me that people are complaining about a healer/support emp, when far far worse things exist, is my whole point.

You're missing the point. The point is I'm rolling out there with 6 people and getting called a Zerg

Rylana wrote: »

One thing I do want to know though, is who is livestreaming the GoS group, live. Not supposed to stream in realtime. >_>

But i havent been around all day anyway, working on my AD templar rank

It was me

Rickter wrote: »

Psilent wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

what is a zerg these days?!

On these forums a zerg is anything between 2 to 100+ players.

4 EP on a resource, including the 100% no damage support build EMPEROR. We let them kill the guards and crashed them with the 6 of us and this EP STREAMER literally says "wrecked by the DC Zerg, lel"

Like I know I'm stirring the pot a little here but I'm just trying to point out to you all that this is the kind of *** mentality we're dealing with on Haderus. This "small scale rules of engagement" proposal will never work with people thinking that 6 v 4+Emp is being zerged.

Change starts with you in your heart. But egos will just make us all wanna do our own thing. Own up to your BS. EP's emperor on Haderus is pure support. Straight up resto staff healing springs BoL nova drop SPAM. With that kind of power you are going to get zerged every time. Expect it and own up to it. Period.

Then we can talk.

You misunderstand. I agree with you; six players is not a zerg, but people on these forums call anything that out numbers them a zerg. The word has no meaning anymore.

Question - Why is DC on haderus pop-locked?

What was all this discussion about zerging guys.

Rylana wrote: »

Question - Why is DC on haderus pop-locked?

What was all this discussion about zerging guys.

i have a theory

Takllin wrote: »

Psilent wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

Psilent wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

what is a zerg these days?!

On these forums a zerg is anything between 2 to 100+ players.

4 EP on a resource, including the 100% no damage support build EMPEROR. We let them kill the guards and crashed them with the 6 of us and this EP STREAMER literally says "wrecked by the DC Zerg, lel"

Like I know I'm stirring the pot a little here but I'm just trying to point out to you all that this is the kind of *** mentality we're dealing with on Haderus. This "small scale rules of engagement" proposal will never work with people thinking that 6 v 4+Emp is being zerged.

Change starts with you in your heart. But egos will just make us all wanna do our own thing. Own up to your BS. EP's emperor on Haderus is pure support. Straight up resto staff healing springs BoL nova drop SPAM. With that kind of power you are going to get zerged every time. Expect it and own up to it. Period.

Then we can talk.

You misunderstand. I agree with you; six players is not a zerg, but people on these forums call anything that out numbers them a zerg. The word has no meaning anymore.

This ^ So much of this. If Group A is running 2 people, and Group B is running 4 people. Group A considers Group B a zerg, solely because they have more numbers than them. It's ridiculous.

I've always considered zerging to be what I used to do when I played Starcraft. Select the zerg race, then tech up to get hydralisks; then get the upgrade to overlords so they can carry units. Amass like 70 zerglings and just have them attack everything between my base and the enemy. While my overlords carry hydralisks to the resource line of the enemy and wipe them out.

In a nut shell, once I told the zerglings to attack, that's all I did with them. No more micro-managing, until they started to die and I'd have more being produced to keep hitting the enemy; i.e, AD/EP running from Alessia-Sej over and over and over. While my small group of hydralisks would attack the resource line and wipe it out; i.e., organized guild play in Cyrodiil where people hit the Alessia farm or hit the drakelowe side of Sejanus.

6 players against 11 is just being outnumbered. Congrats if the 6 win, if they lose oh well, you were outnumbered.