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One Shot Silver Shard | Camo Hunter Completely BROKEN in PVP
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SeptimusDova✭✭✭✭✭
✭In case they missed it.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »It appears as though this is a UI error on the death recap screen. When we tested the ability, only the initial damage from Camo Hunter appears on the death recap even though there's a second proc that hits you (and ends up killing you). The ability is working correct, it's just the display from the recap that is broken. We're working on getting this fixed!1 -
Catblade✭✭✭✭A second proc? Where does it say it gets two on the tooltip? should only be procing once0 -
Casdha✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ha I love this thread, I had just mentioned this last week and how I missed how it use to work. I guess someone gave it a try and it is working again, that or it is just a PvP shift to where folks learned about it and cured themselves from being vamps which caused everyone to drop the skill in the first place and they forgot about it. Now that Cyrodiil is over run with Vamps again the faithful crossbow has finally had its resurgence.
I love it
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jrkhan✭✭✭
Tooltip:
Gives your attacks a 15% chance to cause an additional x Magic Damage against undead and Daedra and a 4% chance against all other enemies. If in stealth, attacks deal an extra y Magic Damage to undead and Daedra.
Killing undead and Daedra refreshes the effect's duration.
While slotted, undead and Daedra are easier to see and you gain Major Savagery, increasing your Weapon Critical rating by 10.
The 15% chance is the 'second proc' so, ability hits you from stealth dealing gaurenteed 'y' damage and 15% chance for an extra 'x'2 -
Catblade✭✭✭✭Tooltip:
Gives your attacks a 15% chance to cause an additional x Magic Damage against undead and Daedra and a 4% chance against all other enemies. If in stealth, attacks deal an extra y Magic Damage to undead and Daedra.
Killing undead and Daedra refreshes the effect's duration.
While slotted, undead and Daedra are easier to see and you gain Major Savagery, increasing your Weapon Critical rating by 10.
The 15% chance is the 'second proc' so, ability hits you from stealth dealing gaurenteed 'y' damage and 15% chance for an extra 'x'
So wait it's guaranteed to proc out of stealth the first time, then gets 15% chance to do two? Makes a ton more sense but that's not what the tooltip is saying. It's reading 15% chance and that's it. If it works as you said they just need to update the tooltip. That would make sense as to why i get killed by one arrow because if i crit my arrows can do 18k then with the two procs thats around my other 10k healthEdited by Catblade on December 17, 2015 7:21PM0 -
jrkhan✭✭✭Tooltip:
Gives your attacks a 15% chance to cause an additional x Magic Damage against undead and Daedra and a 4% chance against all other enemies. If in stealth, attacks deal an extra y Magic Damage to undead and Daedra.
Killing undead and Daedra refreshes the effect's duration.
While slotted, undead and Daedra are easier to see and you gain Major Savagery, increasing your Weapon Critical rating by 10.
The 15% chance is the 'second proc' so, ability hits you from stealth dealing gaurenteed 'y' damage and 15% chance for an extra 'x'
So wait it's guaranteed to proc out of stealth the first time, then gets 15% chance to do two? Makes a ton more sense but that's not what the tooltip is saying. It's reading 15% chance and that's it. If it works as you said they just need to update the tooltip. That would make sense as to why i get killed by one arrow because if i crit my arrows can do 18k then with the two procs thats around my other 10k health
That is actually literally the in game tooltip for camo hunter, one of the two morphs.
Are you perhaps reading the tooltip for the base ability?
(Or perhaps tooltip is different on console?)Edited by jrkhan on December 17, 2015 7:29PM0 -
Catblade✭✭✭✭Tooltip:
Gives your attacks a 15% chance to cause an additional x Magic Damage against undead and Daedra and a 4% chance against all other enemies. If in stealth, attacks deal an extra y Magic Damage to undead and Daedra.
Killing undead and Daedra refreshes the effect's duration.
While slotted, undead and Daedra are easier to see and you gain Major Savagery, increasing your Weapon Critical rating by 10.
The 15% chance is the 'second proc' so, ability hits you from stealth dealing gaurenteed 'y' damage and 15% chance for an extra 'x'
So wait it's guaranteed to proc out of stealth the first time, then gets 15% chance to do two? Makes a ton more sense but that's not what the tooltip is saying. It's reading 15% chance and that's it. If it works as you said they just need to update the tooltip. That would make sense as to why i get killed by one arrow because if i crit my arrows can do 18k then with the two procs thats around my other 10k health
That is actually literally the in game tooltip for camo hunter, one of the two morphs.
Are you perhaps reading the tooltip for the base ability?
(Or perhaps tooltip is different on console?)
yup I'm ***. My bad.It's significant extra damage my tooltip buffed reads 11575 guaranteed and 7718 on the procEdited by Catblade on December 17, 2015 7:32PM0 -
Dalsinthus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Tooltip:
Gives your attacks a 15% chance to cause an additional x Magic Damage against undead and Daedra and a 4% chance against all other enemies. If in stealth, attacks deal an extra y Magic Damage to undead and Daedra.
Killing undead and Daedra refreshes the effect's duration.
While slotted, undead and Daedra are easier to see and you gain Major Savagery, increasing your Weapon Critical rating by 10.
The 15% chance is the 'second proc' so, ability hits you from stealth dealing gaurenteed 'y' damage and 15% chance for an extra 'x'
So wait it's guaranteed to proc out of stealth the first time, then gets 15% chance to do two? Makes a ton more sense but that's not what the tooltip is saying. It's reading 15% chance and that's it. If it works as you said they just need to update the tooltip. That would make sense as to why i get killed by one arrow because if i crit my arrows can do 18k then with the two procs thats around my other 10k health
It is what the tooltip is saying but it is not clearly worded. The stealth proc is automatic against undead and daerda, plus there is a 15% chance of dealing additional damage vs. undead and daerda / 4% vs. everyone else. Two separate effects. If you compare the description for the unmorphed version of the skill, Expert Hunter, this makes more sense. Camo hunter adds the automatic effect from stealth to the skill.
With animation canceling you can get more than one stealth attack to hit simultaneously which presumably means the authomatic stealth effect hits with each of these attacks. Alcast's Bullseye DK build video has a good explanation of this using a heavy bow attack and silver shards. As I mentioned before, this is as much an issue with animation canceling and stealth attacks than it is with Camo Hunter.0 -
dlepi24✭✭✭✭You can't have your cake and eat it, too. You chose vamp for the pro's to your build - now deal with the consequences.
The consequences are not functioning as intended. Do you understand that? Or are you too narrow minded to accept that the fighters guild skills are broken? It's not rocket science read old patch notes those skills are broken every other update.
Oh, you mean where Gina said it's working as intended?No offense but Gina doesn't know wtf she's talking about I know how many shots are hitting me and the number is one. I'm pretty damned aware of my surroundings and what's hitting me. Every other month these skills are broken and it's ridiculous.
You're not getting "1-shotted". You're getting killed very fast by 2 or 3 attacks. You know how to fix it? Cure your vampirism and the chance of it happening again is very slim.Edited by dlepi24 on December 17, 2015 7:35PM0 -
Lenikus✭✭✭✭✭Hhhhmm.....
Looks like spending 64 points is stam with all Robust jewelry doesn't really cut it anymore, right ?... Mai cave. >:30 -
Catblade✭✭✭✭Hhhhmm.....
Looks like spending 64 points is stam with all Robust jewelry doesn't really cut it anymore, right ?
Why not?You can't have your cake and eat it, too. You chose vamp for the pro's to your build - now deal with the consequences.
The consequences are not functioning as intended. Do you understand that? Or are you too narrow minded to accept that the fighters guild skills are broken? It's not rocket science read old patch notes those skills are broken every other update.
Oh, you mean where Gina said it's working as intended?No offense but Gina doesn't know wtf she's talking about I know how many shots are hitting me and the number is one. I'm pretty damned aware of my surroundings and what's hitting me. Every other month these skills are broken and it's ridiculous.
You're not getting "1-shotted". You're getting killed very fast by 2 or 3 attacks. You know how to fix it? Cure your vampirism and the chance of it happening again is very slim.
No i'm getting one shotted. Now that I understand what's happening i can repeat it. I don't see why anyone doubts i can tell how many arrows flew my way but off my tooltip i can do 18k with a snipe, 11k with the guaranteed stealth dmg and a potential 7.7k proc that's more than enough to one shot. That's providing my snipe critsEdited by Catblade on December 17, 2015 7:39PM0 -
Casdha✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'm pretty sure the original Tool tip was X percent chance to banish Deadra and undead to Oblivion (insta kill) and also Werewolves if you had the correct passive.
edit: sorry, was talking about Silver bolt and its morphsEdited by Casdha on December 17, 2015 7:39PMProud member of the Psijic Order - The first wave - The 0.016%0 -
dlepi24✭✭✭✭Hhhhmm.....
Looks like spending 64 points is stam with all Robust jewelry doesn't really cut it anymore, right ?
Why not?You can't have your cake and eat it, too. You chose vamp for the pro's to your build - now deal with the consequences.
The consequences are not functioning as intended. Do you understand that? Or are you too narrow minded to accept that the fighters guild skills are broken? It's not rocket science read old patch notes those skills are broken every other update.
Oh, you mean where Gina said it's working as intended?No offense but Gina doesn't know wtf she's talking about I know how many shots are hitting me and the number is one. I'm pretty damned aware of my surroundings and what's hitting me. Every other month these skills are broken and it's ridiculous.
You're not getting "1-shotted". You're getting killed very fast by 2 or 3 attacks. You know how to fix it? Cure your vampirism and the chance of it happening again is very slim.
No i'm getting one shotted. Now that I understand what's happening i can repeat it. I don't see why anyone doubts i can tell how many arrows flew my way but off my tooltip i can do 18k with a snipe, 11k with the guaranteed stealth dmg and a potential 7.7k proc that's more than enough to one shot. That's providing my snipe crits
What does snipe have to do with this conversation? I thought this was about camo hunter and silver shards? If it's saying you got one shotted by snipe, then camo hunter had nothing to do with it or else it would show up on the feed and only show camo hunter.0 -
Lenikus✭✭✭✭✭
Low health, basically.
People get less than 25k hp, wich IS one-shot range and then come to complain. If people were doing 25k, let's say, 30k ticks on players, yea, i'd say there's something broken, otherwise, everyone that can pull a 40k+ dps in burst can potentially one shot someone.... Mai cave. >:30 -
Dalsinthus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Hhhhmm.....
Looks like spending 64 points is stam with all Robust jewelry doesn't really cut it anymore, right ?
Why not?You can't have your cake and eat it, too. You chose vamp for the pro's to your build - now deal with the consequences.
The consequences are not functioning as intended. Do you understand that? Or are you too narrow minded to accept that the fighters guild skills are broken? It's not rocket science read old patch notes those skills are broken every other update.
Oh, you mean where Gina said it's working as intended?No offense but Gina doesn't know wtf she's talking about I know how many shots are hitting me and the number is one. I'm pretty damned aware of my surroundings and what's hitting me. Every other month these skills are broken and it's ridiculous.
You're not getting "1-shotted". You're getting killed very fast by 2 or 3 attacks. You know how to fix it? Cure your vampirism and the chance of it happening again is very slim.
No i'm getting one shotted. Now that I understand what's happening i can repeat it. I don't see why anyone doubts i can tell how many arrows flew my way but off my tooltip i can do 18k with a snipe, 11k with the guaranteed stealth dmg and a potential 7.7k proc that's more than enough to one shot. That's providing my snipe crits
So then nerf snipe and stealth? (No please don't.) Because that's where most of the damage is coming from. (Remember that damage is reduced in Cyrodiil compared to the tooltip values.)
What he's saying is that you may be getting hit by multiple attacks simultaneously but it may just seem like one. Animation canceling does remove the animations for some of these attacks so you won't see it coming. It also could just be one attack. It is hard to know because the death recap is wrong.0 -
Sav72✭✭✭✭✭I do not mind being a one shot kill. but my Vamp abilities SUCK. Other then StalkerSavoifair, EP NB
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DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »Leave it as it is. Silver shards and Camo-hunter is one of the best anti-daedra skills PvE'er have. PvP vamps just need to learn to adapt.
Amen.
Complaining that combining 2 skills that buff attacks against vampires hits hard? I really don't care. Nerfing skills that help a lot in PvE content is getting old.0 -
Lenikus✭✭✭✭✭.....Fine.
Okay. People said this already but i'll repeat.
STEP 1
Go DualWield (swords with sharpened work)
STEP 2
Get 3.5k+ weap dmg (buffed if needed)
STEP 3
Sneak.
STEP 4
activate Camo Hunter
STEP 5
Heavy attack something to see what happens.
There's your explanation. The recap / addons will merely show the killing blow. and the logs won't even appear tick (CLS, example)... Mai cave. >:30 -
DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭What percentage of people have silver shards on their bar? If a lot do, that likely means that there are too many vampires in Cyrodiil and that is the counter.
There is balance in there.
Those skill hitting hard will lead some to cure their vampirism. A decrease in vampires will lead to less people slotting those skills. That decrease will lead to an increase in vampires.1 -
Greyhame✭✭1. Nobody is getting "One-Shot". You cannot kill a player in PVP just with Camo Hunter and a single shard. Saying some ridiculous BS like "I have full cognitive awareness of how many attacks are hitting me." If silly to say the least. First off even if you were that observant the game animation and sound is not that reliable. I've been killed many times before I knew what was happening, and when that happens, whether it is lag or a bi-product of animation cancelling, all I heard was a *SNIKT* and I was down. Look at the recap and sometime its a camo hunter, but RARELY, and just as often its Light, Surprise, light, Surprise with two crits. I don't then go cry to the mods to nerf all the things that kill me because that is being a squeaky wheel special snowflake toddler.
2. I run vampire on my NB. The benefits are great. The downside is that once in awhile I'm gonna eat it hard to a Camo Hunter or a well built DK, or even fire based siege. That is the give and take, the Risk Versus Reward. When you get something awesome then you should expect to get a balancing not awesome affect. Otherwise everyone would be a vampire. I run vamp for the sneak speed, bats, damage reduction at low health, and occasionally mist. That is 4 really good benefits. If I expected to get all that benefit for no risk I would be a ridiculous, silly, carebear.
3. If this combo was so OP I would be running it more often. I can run any combo of 2H, DW, and bow. I have camo hunter and the silver bolts. In some situations I'll run the "One-Shot" combo everyone talks about. My base bow damage is around 3100 unbuffed. If I run Rally, Merciless Resolve, Camo Hunter from stealth with a piercing mark it is still not a one shot with a single shard. Even if a heavy and a shard hit at the same time it is still a matter of following up with snipes or ambushing into melee to execute. It is not even reliable enough for me to run it all the time, typically I run Poison Injection and Bombard instead of Camo Hunter and shards. In smaller group PVP (12 v 12 ish) it is useful for taking out injured enemies that are trying to drop back to heal. It is useful for catching snipers on the wall asleep at the wheel. I wouldn't try to open a 1 v 1 with it unless I was sure that the other player was a lightly armored and un-shielded vampire. Point being I have no problem using whatever advantage the game gives and I've used this combo off and on for awhile and it is not the best option available to me.
So your crying around to nerf or outright disable an ability just because your too lazy to plan and build around it is pretty weak sauce. That is coming from a user and a victim of your so called "One-Shot".
At least hold off on complaining to the GM's until the recap window is fixed.Greyhame
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Kutsuu✭✭✭✭✭.....Fine.
Okay. People said this already but i'll repeat.
STEP 1
Go DualWield (swords with sharpened work)
STEP 2
Get 3.5k+ weap dmg (buffed if needed)
STEP 3
Sneak.
STEP 4
activate Camo Hunter
STEP 5
Heavy attack something to see what happens.
There's your explanation. The recap / addons will merely show the killing blow. and the logs won't even appear tick (CLS, example)
To be more specific, step 5 needs to be "Heavy attack something vulnerable to fighter's guild abilities", but I'm with ya.PC/NA
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Yolokin_Swagonborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Just wait for 3 months for ZOS to fix it. That is the average time that a game breaking exploit takes to fix in PvP.
However, if a PvE'er is roleplaying and stubs their toe. A representative from customer service is there within an hour to console them.1 -
Zinaroth✭✭✭✭✭
✭These are not one shots. It's just a series of abilities fired off in such rapid succession that it feels like a one shot. The death recaps do not lie, the silver shard isn't one shotting, stop spreading misinformation. Let me enlighten you:
DK
Bow
Molten Armaments
Camouflaged Hunter
Charged heavy attack from stealth
Silver Shard > light attack > Silver Shard
Vamp dead in less than two seconds.0 -
Instant✭✭✭✭✭These are not one shots. It's just a series of abilities fired off in such rapid succession that it feels like a one shot. The death recaps do not lie, the silver shard isn't one shotting, stop spreading misinformation. Let me enlighten you:
DK
Bow
Molten Armaments
Camouflaged Hunter
Charged heavy attack from stealth
Silver Shard > light attack > Silver Shard
Vamp dead in less than two seconds.
nice one lol
Okay, again:
Camo is supposed to hit hard
Death Recap bugs out and sometimes only shows Camo hit
Death Recap sometimes sums up dmg from different skill into 1 skill
Death Recap sucks
Camohunter is working as intended
Sneak Mechanic is broken and that is why you mostly get oneshot.
oh and before I forget it like in all other threads: l2p
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SirDopey✭✭✭✭✭
✭I know almost none of you share my opinion on this but I think the best course would be to leave it as it is and buff the hell out of WW and Vamps but lock them out of fighter's guild abilities....NA PC | AD
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Shardaxx✭✭✭✭✭Ah the smell of vampires weeping in the morning.PS4 - Europe - Shardaxx - Wood Elf Nightblade - Aldmeri Dominion1 -
Sav72✭✭✭✭✭This game sucks, but unfortunately nothing is out that is better atm.
I cant wait to delete it from my SSD.
Savoifair, EP NB
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