New Vet Maelstrom challenge (Try this)

Casdha · December 2015

So far every complaint I've made and challenge has been met, Kudos to those who have provided video proof.

I have a new challenge for you folks that are starting to find Vet Maelstrom not quite as hard as it use to be. Yes it may cost you some gold but You will be able to wave something else around to show how good of a player you are and maybe quieten some of the folks calling for Nerfs (I don't want Nerfs either).

Could someone make a video and show that no Alliance or Undaunted skills were used and respec and show in the video that you have picked up no Passives for either of these skill lines and then make a video of completing 6, 7, or 9 bosses. (you can save your skill points and pick everything back up after you've completed it so that it don't cost you two respecs)

In other words Prove that a Solo player can complete this Arena and that is skill and nothing else that lets you do it.

Note: I expect Sorcerers will be able to do it, but I'm curious about the rest. I also admit I still have yet to beat the first boss in Vet but have beat Normal several times now. (thanks to folks answering challenges I think I'm close now to having a build that I can at least beat the first vet boss now)

Joy_Division · December 2015

I dont use any alliance war or undaunted skills as it is. This won't be particularly challenging for magicka players

Stamina based players kind of have to use vigor because it's their main source of healing

The_Man_From_Stygia · December 2015

Casdha wrote: »

So far every complaint I've made and challenge has been met, Kudos to those who have provided video proof.

I have a new challenge for you folks that are starting to find Vet Maelstrom not quite as hard as it use to be. Yes it may cost you some gold but You will be able to wave something else around to show how good of a player you are and maybe quieten some of the folks calling for Nerfs (I don't want Nerfs either).

Could someone make a video and show that no Alliance or Undaunted skills were used and respec and show in the video that you have picked up no Passives for either of these skill lines and then make a video of completing 6, 7, or 9 bosses. (you can save your skill points and pick everything back up after you've completed it so that it don't cost you two respecs)

In other words Prove that a Solo player can complete this Arena and that is skill and nothing else that lets you do it.

Note: I expect Sorcerers will be able to do it, but I'm curious about the rest. I also admit I still have yet to beat the first boss in Vet but have beat Normal several times now. (thanks to folks answering challenges I think I'm close now to having a build that I can at least beat the first vet boss now)

How about a video of someone completing it without using shields.

Cîanai · December 2015

The_Man_From_Stygia wrote: »

Casdha wrote: »

So far every complaint I've made and challenge has been met, Kudos to those who have provided video proof.

I have a new challenge for you folks that are starting to find Vet Maelstrom not quite as hard as it use to be. Yes it may cost you some gold but You will be able to wave something else around to show how good of a player you are and maybe quieten some of the folks calling for Nerfs (I don't want Nerfs either).

Could someone make a video and show that no Alliance or Undaunted skills were used and respec and show in the video that you have picked up no Passives for either of these skill lines and then make a video of completing 6, 7, or 9 bosses. (you can save your skill points and pick everything back up after you've completed it so that it don't cost you two respecs)

In other words Prove that a Solo player can complete this Arena and that is skill and nothing else that lets you do it.

Note: I expect Sorcerers will be able to do it, but I'm curious about the rest. I also admit I still have yet to beat the first boss in Vet but have beat Normal several times now. (thanks to folks answering challenges I think I'm close now to having a build that I can at least beat the first vet boss now)

How about a video of someone completing it without using shields.

That would be a challenge for sorcs

Sharmony · December 2015

Casdha wrote: »

So far every complaint I've made and challenge has been met, Kudos to those who have provided video proof.

I have a new challenge for you folks that are starting to find Vet Maelstrom not quite as hard as it use to be. Yes it may cost you some gold but You will be able to wave something else around to show how good of a player you are and maybe quieten some of the folks calling for Nerfs (I don't want Nerfs either).

Could someone make a video and show that no Alliance or Undaunted skills were used and respec and show in the video that you have picked up no Passives for either of these skill lines and then make a video of completing 6, 7, or 9 bosses. (you can save your skill points and pick everything back up after you've completed it so that it don't cost you two respecs)

In other words Prove that a Solo player can complete this Arena and that is skill and nothing else that lets you do it.

Note: I expect Sorcerers will be able to do it, but I'm curious about the rest. I also admit I still have yet to beat the first boss in Vet but have beat Normal several times now. (thanks to folks answering challenges I think I'm close now to having a build that I can at least beat the first vet boss now)

I'll have a try if I get the time, shouldn't be too hard, there's a video circling by a friend of mine doing 1-4 naked as a sorc before he had to go to work!

Sharmony · December 2015

The_Man_From_Stygia wrote: »

Casdha wrote: »

So far every complaint I've made and challenge has been met, Kudos to those who have provided video proof.

I have a new challenge for you folks that are starting to find Vet Maelstrom not quite as hard as it use to be. Yes it may cost you some gold but You will be able to wave something else around to show how good of a player you are and maybe quieten some of the folks calling for Nerfs (I don't want Nerfs either).

Could someone make a video and show that no Alliance or Undaunted skills were used and respec and show in the video that you have picked up no Passives for either of these skill lines and then make a video of completing 6, 7, or 9 bosses. (you can save your skill points and pick everything back up after you've completed it so that it don't cost you two respecs)

In other words Prove that a Solo player can complete this Arena and that is skill and nothing else that lets you do it.

Note: I expect Sorcerers will be able to do it, but I'm curious about the rest. I also admit I still have yet to beat the first boss in Vet but have beat Normal several times now. (thanks to folks answering challenges I think I'm close now to having a build that I can at least beat the first vet boss now)

How about a video of someone completing it without using shields.

See any video by @Alcast with his stamina builds.

Casdha · December 2015

I personally am not going back to Vet until I can complete Regular without a death. I don't have too much trouble until I get to the spider stage. Fighting mostly melee its hard for me to see the spiders that cover the stones in time. As for how I play the difficulty order should be easiest to hardest (Regular arena)

1 - 8 - 4 - 2 - 3 - 5 - 7 - 6 - 9

My problem now is I get hung up at 6 and/or 7 depending on how I tweak things. I did finally complete 5 with only melee on Regular.

Sharmony · December 2015

Casdha wrote: »

1 - 8 - 4 - 2 - 3 - 5 - 7 - 6 - 9

My problem now is I get hung up at 6 and/or 7 depending on how I tweak things. I did finally complete 5 with only melee on Regular.

Having now just got the NB WR I would place the order for vet as follows:

1,4,2,3,5,6,9,8,7.

9/8 can be put either way around, it's tough to decide.

Alcast · December 2015

It is completable on both stam/mag setups. However, ZOS should have advised everyone that it was made for Magicka Sorcs and Nbs......

On Magicka it is generally easier due to being able to do ranged DPS. Stamina has to go melee or gtfo (no, bow is not an option because i prolly can do more dps with my fists)

Casdha · December 2015

Alcast wrote: »

It is completable on both stam/mag setups. However, ZOS should have advised everyone that it was made for Magicka Sorcs and Nbs......

On Magicka it is generally easier due to being able to do ranged DPS. Stamina has to go melee or gtfo (no, bow is not an option because i prolly can do more dps with my fists)

Not sure about Vet but Poison arrow for a ranged interupt for trolls (also argonian boss)is about the only think I've found good. But it is hard for me to load a weapon bar for only one skill. All of my heal shield and damage boost comes 2 handed line.

RinOkumara · December 2015

The_Man_From_Stygia wrote: »

Casdha wrote: »

So far every complaint I've made and challenge has been met, Kudos to those who have provided video proof.

I have a new challenge for you folks that are starting to find Vet Maelstrom not quite as hard as it use to be. Yes it may cost you some gold but You will be able to wave something else around to show how good of a player you are and maybe quieten some of the folks calling for Nerfs (I don't want Nerfs either).

Could someone make a video and show that no Alliance or Undaunted skills were used and respec and show in the video that you have picked up no Passives for either of these skill lines and then make a video of completing 6, 7, or 9 bosses. (you can save your skill points and pick everything back up after you've completed it so that it don't cost you two respecs)

In other words Prove that a Solo player can complete this Arena and that is skill and nothing else that lets you do it.

Note: I expect Sorcerers will be able to do it, but I'm curious about the rest. I also admit I still have yet to beat the first boss in Vet but have beat Normal several times now. (thanks to folks answering challenges I think I'm close now to having a build that I can at least beat the first vet boss now)

How about a video of someone completing it without using shields.

i dont use any sheilds on my templar

asneakybanana · December 2015

Casdha wrote: »

So far every complaint I've made and challenge has been met, Kudos to those who have provided video proof.

I have a new challenge for you folks that are starting to find Vet Maelstrom not quite as hard as it use to be. Yes it may cost you some gold but You will be able to wave something else around to show how good of a player you are and maybe quieten some of the folks calling for Nerfs (I don't want Nerfs either).

Could someone make a video and show that no Alliance or Undaunted skills were used and respec and show in the video that you have picked up no Passives for either of these skill lines and then make a video of completing 6, 7, or 9 bosses. (you can save your skill points and pick everything back up after you've completed it so that it don't cost you two respecs)

In other words Prove that a Solo player can complete this Arena and that is skill and nothing else that lets you do it.

Note: I expect Sorcerers will be able to do it, but I'm curious about the rest. I also admit I still have yet to beat the first boss in Vet but have beat Normal several times now. (thanks to folks answering challenges I think I'm close now to having a build that I can at least beat the first vet boss now)

Have a full video on my twitch page of using 0 alliance skills and having no undaunted passives getting a no death run and at the time the #1 score in na. Think I showed my lack of undaunted in there. Didn't do it as a challenge but as how I had to play if I wanted to clear since it takes a while to grind ar and undaunted. On my dk I could do it as well no problem. I can see that nb and temp being rough due to losing prox and then all stam builds other than maybe sorcs are going to have a really really tough go at things due to losing vigor.

Callous2208 · December 2015

I would really like to see this. As it stands right now I just cannot fathom a non sorc stamina class doing this. What a fantastic display of skill that video would be.

Praeficere · December 2015

Don't need Vigor on a Stamina DK

KewaG · December 2015

Interesting idea. I would also like to see this happen.

Casdha · December 2015

Praeficere wrote: »

Don't need Vigor on a Stamina DK

Could Rally and the right CP be used as a replacement for vigor?

bimbo · December 2015

I think the problem is the CPs.

Can anyone show me a video of a stam nb who have less than 300 cps completed it.

Even there is, that's prolly 1% of the whole population, I can't be that good, if 80% cannot pass it, it deserves a nerf.

KewaG · December 2015

bimbo wrote: »

I think the problem is the CPs.

Can anyone show me a video of a stam nb who have less than 300 cps completed it.

Even there is, that's prolly 1% of the whole population, I can't be that good, if 80% cannot pass it, it deserves a nerf.

Or you need to come back when your ready. This content was designed to be difficult because all other content is often too easy for anyone with a good amount of CP. This content is to challenge those people and keep them interested. Nerf that and the veteran players will lose interest immediately, and lower level players will eventually become too OP for it and lose interest as well.

With CP the way it is right now it won't take long for you to get enough to compete in the arena. Put it on the back burner for now and go level up like I'm doing. Calling for Nerf's is never the answer...unless your talking about RNG or BoP.

Callous2208 · December 2015

KewaG wrote: »

bimbo wrote: »

I think the problem is the CPs.

Can anyone show me a video of a stam nb who have less than 300 cps completed it.

Even there is, that's prolly 1% of the whole population, I can't be that good, if 80% cannot pass it, it deserves a nerf.

Or you need to come back when your ready. This content was designed to be difficult because all other content is often too easy for anyone with a good amount of CP. This content is to challenge those people and keep them interested. Nerf that and the veteran players will lose interest immediately, and lower level players will eventually become too OP for it and lose interest as well.

With CP the way it is right now it won't take long for you to get enough to compete in the arena. Put it on the back burner for now and go level up like I'm doing. Calling for Nerf's is never the answer...unless your talking about RNG or BoP.

Although I pretty much agree with your sentiment overall, I still say the large discrepancy between difficulty on mag and stam needs to be looked at a bit closer. By no means am I saying nerf the place but a little balancing is in order.

Xjcon · December 2015

KewaG wrote: »

bimbo wrote: »

I think the problem is the CPs.

Can anyone show me a video of a stam nb who have less than 300 cps completed it.

Even there is, that's prolly 1% of the whole population, I can't be that good, if 80% cannot pass it, it deserves a nerf.

Or you need to come back when your ready. This content was designed to be difficult because all other content is often too easy for anyone with a good amount of CP. This content is to challenge those people and keep them interested. Nerf that and the veteran players will lose interest immediately, and lower level players will eventually become too OP for it and lose interest as well.

With CP the way it is right now it won't take long for you to get enough to compete in the arena. Put it on the back burner for now and go level up like I'm doing. Calling for Nerf's is never the answer...unless your talking about RNG or BoP.

So you think people are happily doing VMA for the challenge? I'd bet the majority keeps doing it because RNG holds their BIS weapon hostage.

Olysja · December 2015

i completed with a new char v16 with low cps without enchanted weapons. 400k+ rating. no proof needed i hope.

KewaG · December 2015

Callous2208 wrote: »

KewaG wrote: »

bimbo wrote: »

I think the problem is the CPs.

Can anyone show me a video of a stam nb who have less than 300 cps completed it.

Even there is, that's prolly 1% of the whole population, I can't be that good, if 80% cannot pass it, it deserves a nerf.

Or you need to come back when your ready. This content was designed to be difficult because all other content is often too easy for anyone with a good amount of CP. This content is to challenge those people and keep them interested. Nerf that and the veteran players will lose interest immediately, and lower level players will eventually become too OP for it and lose interest as well.

With CP the way it is right now it won't take long for you to get enough to compete in the arena. Put it on the back burner for now and go level up like I'm doing. Calling for Nerf's is never the answer...unless your talking about RNG or BoP.

Although I pretty much agree with your sentiment overall, I still say the large discrepancy between difficulty on mag and stam needs to be looked at a bit closer. By no means am I saying nerf the place but a little balancing is in order.

I agree, it does need to be balanced for Stam/Melee builds so we don't get left behind on the leaderboards, but I think class balances over an arena balance. The classes need to be able to compete on an equal level. Change the mechanics of the arena and you don't have a equal tool for measurement.

Xjcon wrote: »

KewaG wrote: »

bimbo wrote: »

I think the problem is the CPs.

Can anyone show me a video of a stam nb who have less than 300 cps completed it.

Even there is, that's prolly 1% of the whole population, I can't be that good, if 80% cannot pass it, it deserves a nerf.

Or you need to come back when your ready. This content was designed to be difficult because all other content is often too easy for anyone with a good amount of CP. This content is to challenge those people and keep them interested. Nerf that and the veteran players will lose interest immediately, and lower level players will eventually become too OP for it and lose interest as well.

With CP the way it is right now it won't take long for you to get enough to compete in the arena. Put it on the back burner for now and go level up like I'm doing. Calling for Nerf's is never the answer...unless your talking about RNG or BoP.

So you think people are happily doing VMA for the challenge? I'd bet the majority keeps doing it because RNG holds their BIS weapon hostage.

How is this any different than any other dungeon? Most people aren't happily doing dungeons for pure enjoyment, some are but not all. Some are doing it because RNG is an unkind mistress and keeps their coveted Helms behind an RNG blockade. Should all other dungeons be nerfed so these players can run the dungeons more often in one day? Should they be buffed to create more of a challenge for people who enjoy the challenge?

Like I said, nurfs are not the answer unless your talking about RNG and BoP.

jrkhan · December 2015

Alcast wrote: »

It is completable on both stam/mag setups. However, ZOS should have advised everyone that it was made for Magicka Sorcs and Nbs......

On Magicka it is generally easier due to being able to do ranged DPS. Stamina has to go melee or gtfo (no, bow is not an option because i prolly can do more dps with my fists)

Very well then.
Seeing as I got a sharpened maelstorm bow in the last weekly reward, my new goal is to beat it primarily using that bow!
(I'm sure it will be harder than on my magika nb, and the thought of downing the crematorium guards frightens me.. But that's what makes it fun I guess)

Xantaria · December 2015

As a Stamina DK I don't think this would be hard at all. Just have to use rally instead of vigor.

Casdha · December 2015

Well I tried Vet again today. Now I can stay on my feet until the boss has 4 adds instead of when he gets 3 and in that time I only got him down 2/3 of his health (1/3 left). I just can't deal with the damage done by him plus 4 adds and the various deadra running around and I also can't do damage fast enough to kill him before he gets to that point.

I don't guess I'll ever be able to do this with a Stamina DK and my skill level. Momentum did help but my problem is and has always been the ability to do damage.

Edit: I haven't gotten Momentum up to where I can take Rally yet. But I don't think that is my problem when he gets 4 adds I can be at full health about 20k and full shields about 11k and I'm dead in an instant (no more than 2 seconds)