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One Shot Silver Shard | Camo Hunter Completely BROKEN in PVP
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jrkhan✭✭✭StihlReign wrote: »There are two issues, neither of which really warrants 'disabling the ability'
The 'on stealth' part of camo hunter is hitting twice on duel wield heavy attacks, and sometimes from bow attacks hitting simultaneously.
They already have plans to remove that.
However, if you have <25k hp and are a vampire you're in one shot range even without double camo hunter.
Try running with more hp, put more points in crit damage reduction, run radiant mage light, drop vampire, or accept that you'll upon occasion, get one shot.
The other issue is a display issue, where the recap only shows camo hunter, and not the heavy attacks/focused aim/surprise attack that actually dealt the bulk of the damage.
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This is also only happening when someone geared for burst damage opens on you from stealth - that's not 'more often than not', normally silver shards will top out at around 4k-5k crit.
HP is NOT the issue.
The skill line is broken and insta killing in PvP often showing Camo-hunter as the only skill.
This is PvP. Things don't happen on occasion. They meet with increasingly more frequent abuse as is the current case.
It also can't be blocked.
:sigh:
It's a display bug that's been around since 1.5
Sometimes, the recap screen doesn't actually list all the things that killed you.
You ARE instantly dying, but it's from a focused aim + heavy attack + two camo hunter procs + silver shards.
Or, it's from two duel wield heavy attacks + two camo hunter procs.
Both kill you instantly - but only from stealth.
The duel wield attacks DEFINITELY bug out the death recap display.
I've been on both ends of these sort of attacks.
HP and resists ARE an issue.
Blocking DOES help...
Tell you what, slot radiance magelight and prove me wrong - prove that you are blocking with radiant magelighr up and getting one shot anyway.Edited by jrkhan on December 17, 2015 5:34PM2 -
StihlReign✭✭✭✭✭Problem isn't really Camouflage Hunter or Silver shards, if you want to be exact.
It's those skills being used in combination with sneak attacks, that 99% instakills anyone that plays vampire or in WW form in PvP.
This has nothing to do with PvE.
The only way to adapt is not playing vampire in PvP. I dont think ZoS is going to re-design this one, @GinaBruno specifically said "working as indented" in another thread. Vampires are apparently supposed to get killed in less than one second if they engage in PvP.
Don't spend crowns on bites unless you're a pure PvE'er, my advice
I'm not sure how this can be considered working as intended by any measure.TequilaFire wrote: »StihlReign wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »So predictable with everyone becoming vamp with the crown store bites.
If it weren't for the Fighter's guild skills we would be knee deep in bat guano in Cyrodiil.
This makes no sense.
How is the one shot damage predictable?
The skill line is broken.
The report is broken, not showing the other damage it is not one shot for 28K period.
The skill is broken. Using it in conjunction with another skill should not insta kill in PvP.
You're stuck on the recap. I said SKILL.
Silver shards is broken as well. There is no way to block or recover from these broken skills."O divine art of subtlety and secrecy!
Through you we learn to be invisible, through you inaudible; and hence we can hold the enemy’s fate in our hands.” – Ch. VI, v. 8-9. — Master Sun Tzu
"You haven't beaten me you've sacrificed sure footing for a killing stroke." — Ra's al Ghul
He who is prudent and lies in wait for an enemy who is not, will be victorious — Master Sun Tzu
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TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭And you also don't know how many shots are hitting you because of the bad death recap and lag, hence the point.
You thought you could be uber count Dracula owning in PvP, guess what there is a counter to most every skill.
I use silver shards and I am never able to just one shot a player unless they were already low on health.
Usually I weave it with another attack so that would not be a one shot.
Now if you reword and call it dying quickly and stop calling it one shot it would be more believeable.0 -
StihlReign✭✭✭✭✭StihlReign wrote: »There are two issues, neither of which really warrants 'disabling the ability'
The 'on stealth' part of camo hunter is hitting twice on duel wield heavy attacks, and sometimes from bow attacks hitting simultaneously.
They already have plans to remove that.
However, if you have <25k hp and are a vampire you're in one shot range even without double camo hunter.
Try running with more hp, put more points in crit damage reduction, run radiant mage light, drop vampire, or accept that you'll upon occasion, get one shot.
The other issue is a display issue, where the recap only shows camo hunter, and not the heavy attacks/focused aim/surprise attack that actually dealt the bulk of the damage.
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This is also only happening when someone geared for burst damage opens on you from stealth - that's not 'more often than not', normally silver shards will top out at around 4k-5k crit.
HP is NOT the issue.
The skill line is broken and insta killing in PvP often showing Camo-hunter as the only skill.
This is PvP. Things don't happen on occasion. They meet with increasingly more frequent abuse as is the current case.
It also can't be blocked.
:sigh:
It's a display bug that's been around since 1.5
Sometimes, the recap screen doesn't actually list all the things that killed you.
You ARE instantly dying, but it's from a focused aim + heavy attack + two camo hunter procs + silver shards.
Or, it's from two duel wield heavy attacks + two camo hunter procs.
Both kill you instantly - but only from stealth.
The duel wield attacks DEFINITELY bug out the death recap display.
I've been on both ends of these sort of attacks.
HP and resists ARE an issue.
Blocking DOES help...
Tell you what, slot radiance magelight and prove me wrong - prove that you are blocking with radiant magelighr up and getting one shot anyway.
lol...
No. I'm not here to argue or prove anything to you nor run your tests.
I pay ZOS for that.
The ability is broken.
"O divine art of subtlety and secrecy!
Through you we learn to be invisible, through you inaudible; and hence we can hold the enemy’s fate in our hands.” – Ch. VI, v. 8-9. — Master Sun Tzu
"You haven't beaten me you've sacrificed sure footing for a killing stroke." — Ra's al Ghul
He who is prudent and lies in wait for an enemy who is not, will be victorious — Master Sun Tzu
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StihlReign✭✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »And you also don't know how many shots are hitting you because of the bad death recap and lag, hence the point.
You thought you could be uber count Dracula owning in PvP, guess what there is a counter to most every skill.
I use silver shards and I am never able to just one shot a player unless they were already low on health.
Usually I weave it with another attack so that would not be a one shot.
Now if you reword and call it dying quickly and stop calling it one shot it would be more believeable.
I have no idea what you're talking about. You're making no sense.
Have you been reading the thread?
Did you read the OP?
Maybe you're posting in the wrong thread.Edited by StihlReign on December 17, 2015 5:41PM"O divine art of subtlety and secrecy!
Through you we learn to be invisible, through you inaudible; and hence we can hold the enemy’s fate in our hands.” – Ch. VI, v. 8-9. — Master Sun Tzu
"You haven't beaten me you've sacrificed sure footing for a killing stroke." — Ra's al Ghul
He who is prudent and lies in wait for an enemy who is not, will be victorious — Master Sun Tzu
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SeptimusDova✭✭✭✭✭
✭Be glad Camo doesn't stack like in 1.6 or that DoS Isn't insta spammed as well. Slot radiant Take the sneak aspect away. Anyone have a vid for analysis of this insta death? What class is doing this NB? Sorc? DK? . The only time I Insta killed anyone with those skills was when it luckily proced on the instant ash pile .
I tried it as a NightBlob lol I even tried as a Magicka Templar. Tried it as a Sorc. I almost tried it with My DK but if anyone witnesses a DK actually killing anything other than a Mudcrab they scream hurffle Nurffle. OP OP OP. Only thing that made a Difference was Shadow Image>Camo>and either ambush and in 1.6 focused aim.
Not going to troubleshoot this as I do not see an issue AFAIK it's working as intended just as Burning light is.0 -
jrkhan✭✭✭StihlReign wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »And you also don't know how many shots are hitting you because of the bad death recap and lag, hence the point.
You thought you could be uber count Dracula owning in PvP, guess what there is a counter to most every skill.
I use silver shards and I am never able to just one shot a player unless they were already low on health.
Usually I weave it with another attack so that would not be a one shot.
Now if you reword and call it dying quickly and stop calling it one shot it would be more believeable.
I have no idea what you're talking about. You're making no sense.
Have you been reading the thread?
Did you read the OP?
Maybe you're posting in the wrong thread.
He's making perfect sense - the issue is that the death recap is incorrect.
13k focused aim + 5k heavy attack + 5k shard + 5k camo hunter = dead player with 28k hp
All you see in the recap is 5k camo hunter
Is that powerful?
Sure
But 2/3 of the player base has figured out counters to this! There's nothing stopping you from doing so also.2 -
Refuse2GrowUp✭✭✭✭✭Some thick headed people around here that's for damn sure. One shot should not be able to do 28k dmg and my death log read camo hunter 5k and that's it. Where is the other 23k dmg again? Oh it conveniently went out for groceries? No where on the tool tip does camo hunter state it will reduce my health by 23k. I'm a magika NB sapping health 100% of the time ffs almost every skill i use heals me. And um Duh yeah I use hardy, I use elemental defender, I use resistant. Which one of those prevents broken ass skills again?
We had this discussion in another thread (here: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/235797/zos-is-this-intentional). It appears to be a glitched death recap in which Camo Hunter is not permitting the other skills you are hit with the show on the recap. Remember, Camo Hunter is not a skill but rather a skill buff. You were hit with something else; or likely a weave of something else that killed you. Camo Hunter alone did not kill you.
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This is one of those times to ask for skill buffs...not nerfs.
Camo Hunter and the other Fighters Guild skills are working as intended, and as someone else mentioned, nerf them for PvP and it will have an effect on PvE (and even if PvPrs don't care about PvE, it is a part of the game and deserves the same consideration by the devs). Vampires have one of the best ultimates in the game, and I am sure it is why you want to be one. Well, that comes with draw backs and the Fighters Guild skills are a necessary counter. If you don't like it, simply get cured of Vamirism.
Rather than wanting FG skills nerfed, ask the devs to make the other Vamp skills useful again. Drain Essence sucks and has little usable application. Mist form got nerfed so that you no longer regen magica while in mist form. More detrimental to the skill is that you can be snared, so it has little utility as an escape now-a-days. Ask the devs to buff these skills to make them more useful; or maybe even add a new vamp skill or two.
However, don't cry because you get killed as a vamp. It is completely within everyone's power to solve the issue and simply get cured of vampirism.PS4 NA Server
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StihlReign✭✭✭✭✭StihlReign wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »And you also don't know how many shots are hitting you because of the bad death recap and lag, hence the point.
You thought you could be uber count Dracula owning in PvP, guess what there is a counter to most every skill.
I use silver shards and I am never able to just one shot a player unless they were already low on health.
Usually I weave it with another attack so that would not be a one shot.
Now if you reword and call it dying quickly and stop calling it one shot it would be more believeable.
I have no idea what you're talking about. You're making no sense.
Have you been reading the thread?
Did you read the OP?
Maybe you're posting in the wrong thread.
He's making perfect sense - the issue is that the death recap is incorrect.
13k focused aim + 5k heavy attack + 5k shard + 5k camo hunter = dead player with 28k hp
All you see in the recap is 5k camo hunter
Is that powerful?
Sure
But 2/3 of the player base has figured out counters to this! There's nothing stopping you from doing so also.
~le sigh
I get it now. You're always right and you always get the last word. Deuces.
Edited by StihlReign on December 17, 2015 5:52PM"O divine art of subtlety and secrecy!
Through you we learn to be invisible, through you inaudible; and hence we can hold the enemy’s fate in our hands.” – Ch. VI, v. 8-9. — Master Sun Tzu
"You haven't beaten me you've sacrificed sure footing for a killing stroke." — Ra's al Ghul
He who is prudent and lies in wait for an enemy who is not, will be victorious — Master Sun Tzu
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Lightninvash✭✭✭✭✭No offense but Gina doesn't know wtf she's talking about I know how many shots are hitting me and the number is one. I'm pretty damned aware of my surroundings and what's hitting me. Every other month these skills are broken and it's ridiculous.
they even used a video to slow it down and you can see multipal hits and only a single camo hunter on recap. I think you don't read the forums much
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jrkhan✭✭✭StihlReign wrote: »StihlReign wrote: »There are two issues, neither of which really warrants 'disabling the ability'
The 'on stealth' part of camo hunter is hitting twice on duel wield heavy attacks, and sometimes from bow attacks hitting simultaneously.
They already have plans to remove that.
However, if you have <25k hp and are a vampire you're in one shot range even without double camo hunter.
Try running with more hp, put more points in crit damage reduction, run radiant mage light, drop vampire, or accept that you'll upon occasion, get one shot.
The other issue is a display issue, where the recap only shows camo hunter, and not the heavy attacks/focused aim/surprise attack that actually dealt the bulk of the damage.
- - -
This is also only happening when someone geared for burst damage opens on you from stealth - that's not 'more often than not', normally silver shards will top out at around 4k-5k crit.
HP is NOT the issue.
The skill line is broken and insta killing in PvP often showing Camo-hunter as the only skill.
This is PvP. Things don't happen on occasion. They meet with increasingly more frequent abuse as is the current case.
It also can't be blocked.
:sigh:
It's a display bug that's been around since 1.5
Sometimes, the recap screen doesn't actually list all the things that killed you.
You ARE instantly dying, but it's from a focused aim + heavy attack + two camo hunter procs + silver shards.
Or, it's from two duel wield heavy attacks + two camo hunter procs.
Both kill you instantly - but only from stealth.
The duel wield attacks DEFINITELY bug out the death recap display.
I've been on both ends of these sort of attacks.
HP and resists ARE an issue.
Blocking DOES help...
Tell you what, slot radiance magelight and prove me wrong - prove that you are blocking with radiant magelighr up and getting one shot anyway.
lol...
No. I'm not here to argue or prove anything to you nor run your tests.
I pay ZOS for that.
The ability is broken.
So, rather than take advice that will prevent you from being one shot (you refuse to try these things out)
You'd prefer to continue being one-shot until ZOS 'fixes' the ability, that 2/3 of the player base has already figured out counters for?0 -
Catblade✭✭✭✭Who said anything about a nerf? The skills are broken every other month I want them fixed. Troll harder. Maybe if they can't keep the skill working properly they need to be removed from the game completely.Edited by Catblade on December 17, 2015 5:54PM0 -
StihlReign✭✭✭✭✭StihlReign wrote: »StihlReign wrote: »There are two issues, neither of which really warrants 'disabling the ability'
The 'on stealth' part of camo hunter is hitting twice on duel wield heavy attacks, and sometimes from bow attacks hitting simultaneously.
They already have plans to remove that.
However, if you have <25k hp and are a vampire you're in one shot range even without double camo hunter.
Try running with more hp, put more points in crit damage reduction, run radiant mage light, drop vampire, or accept that you'll upon occasion, get one shot.
The other issue is a display issue, where the recap only shows camo hunter, and not the heavy attacks/focused aim/surprise attack that actually dealt the bulk of the damage.
- - -
This is also only happening when someone geared for burst damage opens on you from stealth - that's not 'more often than not', normally silver shards will top out at around 4k-5k crit.
HP is NOT the issue.
The skill line is broken and insta killing in PvP often showing Camo-hunter as the only skill.
This is PvP. Things don't happen on occasion. They meet with increasingly more frequent abuse as is the current case.
It also can't be blocked.
:sigh:
It's a display bug that's been around since 1.5
Sometimes, the recap screen doesn't actually list all the things that killed you.
You ARE instantly dying, but it's from a focused aim + heavy attack + two camo hunter procs + silver shards.
Or, it's from two duel wield heavy attacks + two camo hunter procs.
Both kill you instantly - but only from stealth.
The duel wield attacks DEFINITELY bug out the death recap display.
I've been on both ends of these sort of attacks.
HP and resists ARE an issue.
Blocking DOES help...
Tell you what, slot radiance magelight and prove me wrong - prove that you are blocking with radiant magelighr up and getting one shot anyway.
lol...
No. I'm not here to argue or prove anything to you nor run your tests.
I pay ZOS for that.
The ability is broken.
So, rather than take advice that will prevent you from being one shot (you refuse to try these things out)
You'd prefer to continue being one-shot until ZOS 'fixes' the ability, that 2/3 of the player base has already figured out counters for?
Just put me on ignore. Nothing you're saying and none of your assumptions are correct. Just stop."O divine art of subtlety and secrecy!
Through you we learn to be invisible, through you inaudible; and hence we can hold the enemy’s fate in our hands.” – Ch. VI, v. 8-9. — Master Sun Tzu
"You haven't beaten me you've sacrificed sure footing for a killing stroke." — Ra's al Ghul
He who is prudent and lies in wait for an enemy who is not, will be victorious — Master Sun Tzu
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Catblade✭✭✭✭StihlReign wrote: »StihlReign wrote: »StihlReign wrote: »There are two issues, neither of which really warrants 'disabling the ability'
The 'on stealth' part of camo hunter is hitting twice on duel wield heavy attacks, and sometimes from bow attacks hitting simultaneously.
They already have plans to remove that.
However, if you have <25k hp and are a vampire you're in one shot range even without double camo hunter.
Try running with more hp, put more points in crit damage reduction, run radiant mage light, drop vampire, or accept that you'll upon occasion, get one shot.
The other issue is a display issue, where the recap only shows camo hunter, and not the heavy attacks/focused aim/surprise attack that actually dealt the bulk of the damage.
- - -
This is also only happening when someone geared for burst damage opens on you from stealth - that's not 'more often than not', normally silver shards will top out at around 4k-5k crit.
HP is NOT the issue.
The skill line is broken and insta killing in PvP often showing Camo-hunter as the only skill.
This is PvP. Things don't happen on occasion. They meet with increasingly more frequent abuse as is the current case.
It also can't be blocked.
:sigh:
It's a display bug that's been around since 1.5
Sometimes, the recap screen doesn't actually list all the things that killed you.
You ARE instantly dying, but it's from a focused aim + heavy attack + two camo hunter procs + silver shards.
Or, it's from two duel wield heavy attacks + two camo hunter procs.
Both kill you instantly - but only from stealth.
The duel wield attacks DEFINITELY bug out the death recap display.
I've been on both ends of these sort of attacks.
HP and resists ARE an issue.
Blocking DOES help...
Tell you what, slot radiance magelight and prove me wrong - prove that you are blocking with radiant magelighr up and getting one shot anyway.
lol...
No. I'm not here to argue or prove anything to you nor run your tests.
I pay ZOS for that.
The ability is broken.
So, rather than take advice that will prevent you from being one shot (you refuse to try these things out)
You'd prefer to continue being one-shot until ZOS 'fixes' the ability, that 2/3 of the player base has already figured out counters for?
Just put me on ignore. Nothing you're saying and none of your assumptions are correct. Just stop.
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✭✭✭✭✭May I see the screen of where you were one shot? Must have been pretty powerful, so I'm assuming you have a screenshot of this0 -
jrkhan✭✭✭StihlReign wrote: »StihlReign wrote: »StihlReign wrote: »There are two issues, neither of which really warrants 'disabling the ability'
The 'on stealth' part of camo hunter is hitting twice on duel wield heavy attacks, and sometimes from bow attacks hitting simultaneously.
They already have plans to remove that.
However, if you have <25k hp and are a vampire you're in one shot range even without double camo hunter.
Try running with more hp, put more points in crit damage reduction, run radiant mage light, drop vampire, or accept that you'll upon occasion, get one shot.
The other issue is a display issue, where the recap only shows camo hunter, and not the heavy attacks/focused aim/surprise attack that actually dealt the bulk of the damage.
- - -
This is also only happening when someone geared for burst damage opens on you from stealth - that's not 'more often than not', normally silver shards will top out at around 4k-5k crit.
HP is NOT the issue.
The skill line is broken and insta killing in PvP often showing Camo-hunter as the only skill.
This is PvP. Things don't happen on occasion. They meet with increasingly more frequent abuse as is the current case.
It also can't be blocked.
:sigh:
It's a display bug that's been around since 1.5
Sometimes, the recap screen doesn't actually list all the things that killed you.
You ARE instantly dying, but it's from a focused aim + heavy attack + two camo hunter procs + silver shards.
Or, it's from two duel wield heavy attacks + two camo hunter procs.
Both kill you instantly - but only from stealth.
The duel wield attacks DEFINITELY bug out the death recap display.
I've been on both ends of these sort of attacks.
HP and resists ARE an issue.
Blocking DOES help...
Tell you what, slot radiance magelight and prove me wrong - prove that you are blocking with radiant magelighr up and getting one shot anyway.
lol...
No. I'm not here to argue or prove anything to you nor run your tests.
I pay ZOS for that.
The ability is broken.
So, rather than take advice that will prevent you from being one shot (you refuse to try these things out)
You'd prefer to continue being one-shot until ZOS 'fixes' the ability, that 2/3 of the player base has already figured out counters for?
Just put me on ignore. Nothing you're saying and none of your assumptions are correct. Just stop.
Look, I get that no one wins arguments on the internet.
But you've seen ZOS has already commented on the bugged recap screen.
One of my characters regularly 'one shots' non-blocking, magelightless vampires using the abilities you are complaining about.
I'm telling you specifically how it's done and how to avoid it.
They aren't assumptions, they are things I regularly do in game.
Just repeating your main point over and over, when counter arguments have been provided, isn't a good way to prove your point.
Edited by jrkhan on December 17, 2015 6:16PM3 -
found1779✭✭✭Okay if these to abilities are shut off batswarm needs to also be turned off also I was in a group yesterday of 15 people and we was in the sewers killing things and we kept seeing nightblades but they would stealth so we couldn't see them then they would run away needless to say this happened for about 30 minutes so we all was at a portal fighting the npc's and guess what here comes the 3 nightblades out of stealth to attack us and they all hit batswarm at the same time and they took us all out lost alot of stones just like the 14 other people 3 people shouldnt be able to beat 15 ppl at one time batswarm needs to have a nerf or something if your on ps4 na server you have probably heard of itscameron well it was him and 2 other people who beat us by spamming batswarm fighter guild abilities are the only thing that can fight against vampires so if they go batswarm goes it's opEdited by found1779 on December 17, 2015 6:09PM1 -
Kutsuu✭✭✭✭✭StihlReign wrote: »Problem isn't really Camouflage Hunter or Silver shards, if you want to be exact.
It's those skills being used in combination with sneak attacks, that 99% instakills anyone that plays vampire or in WW form in PvP.
This has nothing to do with PvE.
The only way to adapt is not playing vampire in PvP. I dont think ZoS is going to re-design this one, @GinaBruno specifically said "working as indented" in another thread. Vampires are apparently supposed to get killed in less than one second if they engage in PvP.
Don't spend crowns on bites unless you're a pure PvE'er, my advice
I'm not sure how this can be considered working as intended by any measure.TequilaFire wrote: »StihlReign wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »So predictable with everyone becoming vamp with the crown store bites.
If it weren't for the Fighter's guild skills we would be knee deep in bat guano in Cyrodiil.
This makes no sense.
How is the one shot damage predictable?
The skill line is broken.
The report is broken, not showing the other damage it is not one shot for 28K period.
The skill is broken. Using it in conjunction with another skill should not insta kill in PvP.
You're stuck on the recap. I said SKILL.
Silver shards is broken as well. There is no way to block or recover from these broken skills.
What is your problem with silver shards? It doesn't have the % chance to 1-shot like it had back on game release. It now has a % chance to do 30% more damage, which only puts it on par with most other stamina attacks.PC/NA
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Catblade✭✭✭✭StihlReign wrote: »StihlReign wrote: »StihlReign wrote: »There are two issues, neither of which really warrants 'disabling the ability'
The 'on stealth' part of camo hunter is hitting twice on duel wield heavy attacks, and sometimes from bow attacks hitting simultaneously.
They already have plans to remove that.
However, if you have <25k hp and are a vampire you're in one shot range even without double camo hunter.
Try running with more hp, put more points in crit damage reduction, run radiant mage light, drop vampire, or accept that you'll upon occasion, get one shot.
The other issue is a display issue, where the recap only shows camo hunter, and not the heavy attacks/focused aim/surprise attack that actually dealt the bulk of the damage.
- - -
This is also only happening when someone geared for burst damage opens on you from stealth - that's not 'more often than not', normally silver shards will top out at around 4k-5k crit.
HP is NOT the issue.
The skill line is broken and insta killing in PvP often showing Camo-hunter as the only skill.
This is PvP. Things don't happen on occasion. They meet with increasingly more frequent abuse as is the current case.
It also can't be blocked.
:sigh:
It's a display bug that's been around since 1.5
Sometimes, the recap screen doesn't actually list all the things that killed you.
You ARE instantly dying, but it's from a focused aim + heavy attack + two camo hunter procs + silver shards.
Or, it's from two duel wield heavy attacks + two camo hunter procs.
Both kill you instantly - but only from stealth.
The duel wield attacks DEFINITELY bug out the death recap display.
I've been on both ends of these sort of attacks.
HP and resists ARE an issue.
Blocking DOES help...
Tell you what, slot radiance magelight and prove me wrong - prove that you are blocking with radiant magelighr up and getting one shot anyway.
lol...
No. I'm not here to argue or prove anything to you nor run your tests.
I pay ZOS for that.
The ability is broken.
So, rather than take advice that will prevent you from being one shot (you refuse to try these things out)
You'd prefer to continue being one-shot until ZOS 'fixes' the ability, that 2/3 of the player base has already figured out counters for?
Just put me on ignore. Nothing you're saying and none of your assumptions are correct. Just stop.
Look, I get that no one wins arguments on the internet.
But you've seen ZOS has already commented on the bugged recap screen.
One of my characters regularly 'one shots' non-blocking, magelightless vampires using the abilities you are complaining about.
I'm telling you specifically how it's done.
They aren't assumptions, they are things I regularly do in game.
Just repeating your main point over and over, when counter arguments have been provided, isn't a good way to prove your point.
So you abuse the broken skill and don't want it fixed. Gotcha exactly what i suspected.Edited by Catblade on December 17, 2015 6:07PM0 -
AlcastClass RepresentativeStihlReign wrote: »Silver shards and Camo hunter are broken for PvP.
Zos can you please turn the abilities off until you fix them?
They hit for massive damage, often only showing 5-6K insta-kills in the recap.
Often the only thing on the recap is Camo-hunter.
More often than not the ability is doing one-shot damage.
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Okay, again:
Camo is supposed to hit hard
Death Recap bugs out and sometimes only shows Camo hit
Death Recap sometimes sums up dmg from different skill into 1 skill
Death Recap sucks
Camohunter is working as intended
Sneak Mechanic is broken and that is why you mostly get oneshot.
oh and before I forget it like in all other threads: l2pEdited by Alcast on December 17, 2015 6:11PMhttps://alcasthq.com - Alcasthq.com Builds & Guides
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Catblade✭✭✭✭Okay if these to abilities are shut off batswarm needs to also be turned off also I was in a group yesterday of 15 people and we was in the sewers killing things and we kept seeing nightblades but they would stealth so we couldn't see them then they would run away needless to say this happened for about 30 minutes so we all was at a portal fighting the npc's and guess what here comes the 3 nightblades out of stealth to attack us and they all hit batswarm at the same time and they took us all out lost alot of stones just like the 14 other people 3 people shouldnt be able to beat 15 ppl at one time batswarm needs to have a nerf or something if your on ps4 na server you have probably heard of itscameron well it was him and 2 other people who beat us by spamming batswarm fighter guild abilities are the only thing that can fight against vampires so if they go batswarm goes it's op
I'm on ps4 NA and i've seen the groups farming IC mainly PVErs who are too scared to even fight. So i'm glad they wiped you.0 -
found1779✭✭✭und1779;2528827"]Okay if these to abilities are shut off batswarm needs to also be turned off also I was in a group yesterday of 15 people and we was in the sewers killing things and we kept seeing nightblades but they would stealth so we couldn't see them then they would run away needless to say this happened for about 30 minutes so we all was at a portal fighting the npc's and guess what here comes the 3 nightblades out of stealth to attack us and they all hit batswarm at the same time and they took us all out lost alot of stones just like the 14 other people 3 people shouldnt be able to beat 15 ppl at one time batswarm needs to have a nerf or something if your on ps4 na server you have probably heard of itscameron well it was him and 2 other people who beat us by spamming batswarm fighter guild abilities are the only thing that can fight against vampires so if they go batswarm goes it's op [/quote]
I'm on ps4 NA and i've seen the groups farming IC mainly PVErs who are too scared to even fight. So i'm glad they wiped you.[/quote]
Glad hmm 3 people shouldn't be able to beat 15 people and if batswarm remains op then so should the fighters guild abilities only fair0 -
Catblade✭✭✭✭und1779;2528827"]Okay if these to abilities are shut off batswarm needs to also be turned off also I was in a group yesterday of 15 people and we was in the sewers killing things and we kept seeing nightblades but they would stealth so we couldn't see them then they would run away needless to say this happened for about 30 minutes so we all was at a portal fighting the npc's and guess what here comes the 3 nightblades out of stealth to attack us and they all hit batswarm at the same time and they took us all out lost alot of stones just like the 14 other people 3 people shouldnt be able to beat 15 ppl at one time batswarm needs to have a nerf or something if your on ps4 na server you have probably heard of itscameron well it was him and 2 other people who beat us by spamming batswarm fighter guild abilities are the only thing that can fight against vampires so if they go batswarm goes it's op
I'm on ps4 NA and i've seen the groups farming IC mainly PVErs who are too scared to even fight. So i'm glad they wiped you.[/quote]
Glad hmm 3 people shouldn't be able to beat 15 people and if batswarm remains op then so should the fighters guild abilities only fair[/quote]
lol. What alliance are you in? I bet I've heard you whining on the mic about nightblades... They may as well take away batswarm and make the skillline completely worthless if they plan to allow broken skills to do so anyway.Edited by Catblade on December 17, 2015 6:27PM0 -
jrkhan✭✭✭StihlReign wrote: »StihlReign wrote: »StihlReign wrote: »There are two issues, neither of which really warrants 'disabling the ability'
The 'on stealth' part of camo hunter is hitting twice on duel wield heavy attacks, and sometimes from bow attacks hitting simultaneously.
They already have plans to remove that.
However, if you have <25k hp and are a vampire you're in one shot range even without double camo hunter.
Try running with more hp, put more points in crit damage reduction, run radiant mage light, drop vampire, or accept that you'll upon occasion, get one shot.
The other issue is a display issue, where the recap only shows camo hunter, and not the heavy attacks/focused aim/surprise attack that actually dealt the bulk of the damage.
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This is also only happening when someone geared for burst damage opens on you from stealth - that's not 'more often than not', normally silver shards will top out at around 4k-5k crit.
HP is NOT the issue.
The skill line is broken and insta killing in PvP often showing Camo-hunter as the only skill.
This is PvP. Things don't happen on occasion. They meet with increasingly more frequent abuse as is the current case.
It also can't be blocked.
:sigh:
It's a display bug that's been around since 1.5
Sometimes, the recap screen doesn't actually list all the things that killed you.
You ARE instantly dying, but it's from a focused aim + heavy attack + two camo hunter procs + silver shards.
Or, it's from two duel wield heavy attacks + two camo hunter procs.
Both kill you instantly - but only from stealth.
The duel wield attacks DEFINITELY bug out the death recap display.
I've been on both ends of these sort of attacks.
HP and resists ARE an issue.
Blocking DOES help...
Tell you what, slot radiance magelight and prove me wrong - prove that you are blocking with radiant magelighr up and getting one shot anyway.
lol...
No. I'm not here to argue or prove anything to you nor run your tests.
I pay ZOS for that.
The ability is broken.
So, rather than take advice that will prevent you from being one shot (you refuse to try these things out)
You'd prefer to continue being one-shot until ZOS 'fixes' the ability, that 2/3 of the player base has already figured out counters for?
Just put me on ignore. Nothing you're saying and none of your assumptions are correct. Just stop.
Look, I get that no one wins arguments on the internet.
But you've seen ZOS has already commented on the bugged recap screen.
One of my characters regularly 'one shots' non-blocking, magelightless vampires using the abilities you are complaining about.
I'm telling you specifically how it's done.
They aren't assumptions, they are things I regularly do in game.
Just repeating your main point over and over, when counter arguments have been provided, isn't a good way to prove your point.
So you abuse the broken skill and don't want it fixed. Gotcha exactly what i suspected.
Is that what you got out of this?
I have no vested interest in continuing this style of play (I just got a gold sharpened maelstorm bow in the mail, and thought I'd give it a whirl)
The ability you are complaining about isn't even dealing the majority of the damage!
They could drop camo hunter to 0 damage, and you'll still get one shot...
Stop being a victim, use the counters available.
What are you going to ask to have nerfed when 'two' gankers hit you with focused aim?Edited by jrkhan on December 17, 2015 6:27PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭One shots exist. If it be by camo hunter, or prox, or shard, or WB or meteor or however it happens, they happen.
It is not broken, in your opinion it may be OP and that's fine if that's your opinion, but it's not broken.
The only bug is in the death recap, other than that it is intended to kick vamp and ww butt.
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Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭One shots exist. If it be by camo hunter, or prox, or shard, or WB or meteor or however it happens, they happen.
It is not broken, in your opinion it may be OP and that's fine if that's your opinion, but it's not broken.
The only bug is in the death recap, other than that it is intended to kick vamp and ww butt.
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found1779✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »One shots exist. If it be by camo hunter, or prox, or shard, or WB or meteor or however it happens, they happen.
It is not broken, in your opinion it may be OP and that's fine if that's your opinion, but it's not broken.
The only bug is in the death recap, other than that it is intended to kick vamp and ww butt.
You accidentally double posted lol0